FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

You send Pat a note with 25 reasons you should be allowed to give or take karma points!   

You forgot the part that the note must be written on a $100 bill.

[sflzman]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

You send Pat a note with 25 reasons you should be allowed to give or take karma points!   

You forgot the part that the note must be written on a $100 bill.

Nothing against Pat, but Id rather not +/- Karma...its not worth 100 bucks.

[CardinalAlum]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

You send Pat a note with 25 reasons you should be allowed to give or take karma points!   

You forgot the part that the note must be written on a $100 bill.

Nothing against Pat, but Id rather not +/- Karma...its not worth 100 bucks.

That's ok, Mugsy will pay it for you!!   

[Mugsy]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

You send Pat a note with 25 reasons you should be allowed to give or take karma points!   

You forgot the part that the note must be written on a $100 bill.

Nothing against Pat, but Id rather not +/- Karma...its not worth 100 bucks.

That's ok, Mugsy will pay it for you!!   

Well I've gotta recruit my "minions" to come on this board and agree with everything I post.

[FormerCard]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

The best way to get "karma power" is to complain everytime someone takes away from your karma, call them naive and pathetic.... and also to challenge long time posters repeatedly until someone finally says they are "stopping this nonsense" and ending the conversation.   

[FormerCard]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

You send Pat a note with 25 reasons you should be allowed to give or take karma points!   

You forgot the part that the note must be written on a $100 bill.

Nothing against Pat, but Id rather not +/- Karma...its not worth 100 bucks.

Its worth every dollar

[matblake]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

The best way to get "karma power" is to complain everytime someone takes away from your karma, call them naive and pathetic.... and also to challenge long time posters repeatedly until someone finally says they are "stopping this nonsense" and ending the conversation.   

Don't forget the ever popular, "End of story" when concluding your point! 

[devildog29]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

The best way to get "karma power" is to complain everytime someone takes away from your karma, call them naive and pathetic.... and also to challenge long time posters repeatedly until someone finally says they are "stopping this nonsense" and ending the conversation.   

Don't forget the ever popular, "End of story" when concluding your point! 

That's a completely ridiculous thing to say.  Watch the tape!

[Mugsy]

Also now that I am able to give Karma+ some of you will be noticing some +'s in the coming days. I have promised quite a few in the past and need to catch up  ....one day at a time. I actually found the notepad where I was keeping track last week. I didn't keep tracks of smite's though so everyone is off the hook on those 

How do you even get "karma power" anyway? I've been wondering about that.....

The best way to get "karma power" is to complain everytime someone takes away from your karma, call them naive and pathetic.... and also to challenge long time posters repeatedly until someone finally says they are "stopping this nonsense" and ending the conversation.   

Don't forget the ever popular, "End of story" when concluding your point! 

That's a completely ridiculous thing to say.  Watch the tape!

"I don't care who you are, that's funny."

[Mugsy]

Good article on the Langs brothers:

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20101006/SPORTS/10060322/Langs-thrive-at-next-level

[NeonDeion2]

Was at the Millikin game, and much like the last 10 years, Millikin was out coached.  They never threw the ball down field, ran the ball on 1st down 90% of the time, and played not to lose, instead of to win.  Never seen safeties play 20 yards off the ball, especially when the other team is in the red zone about to win the game.  

Scenario:

Millikin is up 3 with 3 minutes to go.  They just recovered a fumble on Auge's 35 yard line.  They of course pound the ball up the middle against 8 in the box and soft coverage 3 times in a row.  It is 4th and 3 on Auge's 30 yard line with about 2 minutes to go.  Do we go for it and win the game if we get it?  Nope, we get a delay of game, and elect to punt.  The punt ends up at the 21 yard line, so we net 9 total yards!!!  What kind of message are you sending to your kids?  Auge then drives the ball against soft coverage (see:  20 yards deep) and scores with 1 minute to go.  Millikin of course does not have any TO's cause we burned 3 earlier in the half.  Millikin is wasting a lot of talent, and unfortunately, the players realize it.

I have to ask the question: Is this poor coaching or lack of execution? I haven't seen Millikin this year and do not fully understand their talent but if you win the game by getting a first down the OLINE should make that happen, not the coaches. Going for it for 4th and 3 and giving Augie a short field to work with?? I don't know that I would have made that call either. In hindsight, knowing that it would have been a 9 yard punt would have made a difference but during that moment you can't plan for that. Not trying to argue here, just another POV.

When safeties are at 20 yards, it is up to the coaches to correct that.  Also, the coaches usually get the plays to the offense with about 8-10 seconds left on the play clock, so no checks can be made, and they have to rush to the line or burn TO's in the middle of a quarter.  Running the ball every time on 1st and 2nd down and leaving 3rd and long, doesn't give the quarterback much of a chance (ask Jay Cutler).  

If they choose not to punt and go for the W and they get stopped, Auge still would of had to march 65+ yards with 2 minutes go to (into 15 mph winds), so it wasn't like it was at midfield.

I am trying to start a civil war here, but to say the plays are consistently sent in with only 8-10 seconds is false. If you look at the passing stats for the day, 5-19 and 1-12 in the second half and compare that to Don Wilsons' 164 yds, running the ball was the only option. As i mentioned yesterday, this is a young defense with 2 sophomores and starting and 1 freshman getting significant playing time. As i have stated all year long, the O has to be more consistent, and finish. there were other opportunities to put the game away when augie turned the ball over, that were not taken advantage of. in reponse to the question if it was poor execution, i am not going to put that on an O line that has a runner averaging over 200 yds per game. Yes the box was stacked but at that point the augie D had no reason to respect the pass. I would have liked to have seen different pass coverage, but that is water under the bridge.

With the caliber of the young players that we have, the arrow is definetly pointing up. they are a young team that is learning how to win after a long dry spell. Negative posts such as these serve no good purpose in my mind. A team is made up of many components starting with the players and going all the way to the parents. A team works together and does not put its business out for others to see and speculate on. If you have a problem with a coach or his decision, in my opinion this is not the forum for that. Take it up with him directly, or go put in the 60 to 70 hours a week any coach puts in and maybe you will have a better understanding of the time and committment that coaches give to this great sport, and not at a very high rate of pay as far as i know.

(modified by GS for formatting)

Here let me break down when we pass.  It is really simple.  Of the 20 passes we threw, one pass was a 3 and 6, the rest were all 7 or greater to get the 1st.  So per attempt (20) we had an average of 9.3 yards to get a 1st down.  6 were on 1st down, where we completed 3 for a total of 10 yards per catch.  Can you imagine dropping back 14 times, mostly on 3rd and long, and the other team bringing the house while you know you have to have 9 yards to get a 1st down?  Yeah, pretty rough. 

[usee]

Hey Neon,

Since you seem to have a bee in your bonnet for Coach Neibhur and his play selection I decided to take a look at your complaint so you can be tried and judged based on the merits. Here is the actual result of the game saturday vs Augie:

Hockaday: 5-19 46 yds, 1 TD

I went through the play by play. Of his pass attempts he was sacked 1x (there were 4 other hockaday runs which could have been scrambles or called runs for -8, +9, +13, +3)

OVERALL.......... 42 Run   20 pass     62 total plays

1ST DOWN.........        18   6     24
2ND DOWN-SHORT...    4    0      4
2ND DOWN-MIDDLE..    0    0      0
2ND DOWN-LONG....    11   6      17
3RD DOWN-SHORT...    4    0      4
3RD DOWN-MIDDLE..    2    0      2
3RD DOWN-LONG....     2    7      9
4TH DOWN.........        1    1      2

He had a 50% completion rate on 1st down, which isn't very good. There really were only 8 times they were in 3rd and long/4th long situations. he wasn't very good then either. This may come as a shock to you but when your QB is only completing 52% of his passes for the year with a 109 efficiency it doesn't make you want to throw the ball MORE. Especially when your runningback is #1 in the nation in rushing. And the down and distance distribution for the passing plays is not at all abnormal. Of the 88 pass attempts by Millikin this season 27 are on 1st down, 24 on 2nd down and 28 on 3rd down. And whats funny is when you only complete 52% of your passes on 1st and 10 you end up with a bunch of 2nd and 10's. And when only 52% of those are completed, guess what? you get 3rd and long's. So about half the 3rd and long situations Millikin has seen this year are because they didn't complete a pass on 1st or 2nd down.

It seems to me you have a production issue, not a play calling issue. But what do I know.

[oldnuthin]

Hey Neon,

Since you seem to have a bee in your bonnet for Coach Neihbur and his play selection I decided to take a look at your complaint so you can be tried and judged based on the merits. Here is the actual result of the game saturday vs Augie:

Hockaday: 5-19 46 yds, 1 TD

I went through the play by play. Of his pass attempts he was sacked 1x (there were 4 other hockaday runs which could have been scrambles or called runs for -8, +9, +13, +3)

OVERALL.......... 42 Run   20 pass     62 total plays

1ST DOWN.........        18   6     24
2ND DOWN-SHORT...    4    0      4
2ND DOWN-MIDDLE..    0    0      0
2ND DOWN-LONG....    11   6      17
3RD DOWN-SHORT...    4    0      4
3RD DOWN-MIDDLE..    2    0      2
3RD DOWN-LONG....     2    7      9
4TH DOWN.........        1    1      2

He was 50% completion on 1st down, which isn't very good. There really were only 8 times they were in 3rd and long/4th long situations. he wasn't very good then either. This may come as a shock to you but when your QB is only completing 52% of his passes for the year with a 109 efficiency it doesn't make you want to throw the ball MORE. Especially when your runningback is #1 in the nation in rushing. And the down and distance distribution for the passing plays is not at all abnormal. Of the 88 pass attempts by Millikin this season 27 are on 1st down, 24 on 2nd down and 28 on 3rd down. And whats funny is when you only complete 52% of your passes on 1st and 10 you end up with 2nd and 10. And when only 52% of those are completed, guess what? you get 3rd and long. So about half the 3rd and long situations Millikin has seen this year is because they didn't complete a pass on 1st or 2nd down.

It seems to me you have a production issue, not a play calling issue. But what do I know.

Nice reply,  succinct,  supported by stats and to the point. I never would have anticipated a bolster to my point from  a Wheaton alum.  .  I hate to be redundant but to finish this from my end " Look at the tape"! Which would have been funnier if that Wesleyan guy had not said it a couple of posts above.

[CardinalAlum]

Hey Neon,

Since you seem to have a bee in your bonnet for Coach Neihbur and his play selection I decided to take a look at your complaint so you can be tried and judged based on the merits. Here is the actual result of the game saturday vs Augie:

Hockaday: 5-19 46 yds, 1 TD

I went through the play by play. Of his pass attempts he was sacked 1x (there were 4 other hockaday runs which could have been scrambles or called runs for -8, +9, +13, +3)

OVERALL.......... 42 Run   20 pass     62 total plays

1ST DOWN.........        18   6     24
2ND DOWN-SHORT...    4    0      4
2ND DOWN-MIDDLE..    0    0      0
2ND DOWN-LONG....    11   6      17
3RD DOWN-SHORT...    4    0      4
3RD DOWN-MIDDLE..    2    0      2
3RD DOWN-LONG....     2    7      9
4TH DOWN.........        1    1      2

He was 50% completion on 1st down, which isn't very good. There really were only 8 times they were in 3rd and long/4th long situations. he wasn't very good then either. This may come as a shock to you but when your QB is only completing 52% of his passes for the year with a 109 efficiency it doesn't make you want to throw the ball MORE. Especially when your runningback is #1 in the nation in rushing. And the down and distance distribution for the passing plays is not at all abnormal. Of the 88 pass attempts by Millikin this season 27 are on 1st down, 24 on 2nd down and 28 on 3rd down. And whats funny is when you only complete 52% of your passes on 1st and 10 you end up with 2nd and 10. And when only 52% of those are completed, guess what? you get 3rd and long. So about half the 3rd and long situations Millikin has seen this year is because they didn't complete a pass on 1st or 2nd down.

It seems to me you have a production issue, not a play calling issue. But what do I know.

Here endeth the lesson.....

[oldnuthin]

Hey Neon,

Since you seem to have a bee in your bonnet for Coach Neihbur and his play selection I decided to take a look at your complaint so you can be tried and judged based on the merits. Here is the actual result of the game saturday vs Augie:

Hockaday: 5-19 46 yds, 1 TD

I went through the play by play. Of his pass attempts he was sacked 1x (there were 4 other hockaday runs which could have been scrambles or called runs for -8, +9, +13, +3)

OVERALL.......... 42 Run   20 pass     62 total plays

1ST DOWN.........        18   6     24
2ND DOWN-SHORT...    4    0      4
2ND DOWN-MIDDLE..    0    0      0
2ND DOWN-LONG....    11   6      17
3RD DOWN-SHORT...    4    0      4
3RD DOWN-MIDDLE..    2    0      2
3RD DOWN-LONG....     2    7      9
4TH DOWN.........        1    1      2

He was 50% completion on 1st down, which isn't very good. There really were only 8 times they were in 3rd and long/4th long situations. he wasn't very good then either. This may come as a shock to you but when your QB is only completing 52% of his passes for the year with a 109 efficiency it doesn't make you want to throw the ball MORE. Especially when your runningback is #1 in the nation in rushing. And the down and distance distribution for the passing plays is not at all abnormal. Of the 88 pass attempts by Millikin this season 27 are on 1st down, 24 on 2nd down and 28 on 3rd down. And whats funny is when you only complete 52% of your passes on 1st and 10 you end up with 2nd and 10. And when only 52% of those are completed, guess what? you get 3rd and long. So about half the 3rd and long situations Millikin has seen this year is because they didn't complete a pass on 1st or 2nd down.

It seems to me you have a production issue, not a play calling issue. But what do I know.

Here endeth the lesson.....

History lesson