FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[FormerCard]

I am happy that you are able to put together a good football team choosing from 8800  undergraduate students.   With our 2200 we have done some pretty good work too this year.   

Now let's be fair.  It's not like North Central and Whitewater construct their football rosters via tryouts in August.  Every decent player on both teams was recruited.  There is no "choosing" from the general student population!

Yes, that is true.  I retract that statement.    I would throw in however that I would expect a public Wisconsin school would get alot more interest from players than a private school.  Price is one reason and UWW is significantly less expensive than NCC.   The more athletes that are interested in your school, results in more players stepping on campus.   It is a numbers game.       But yes, recruiting is very important and it is obvious both NCC and UWW are good at that.

[footballfan413]

I am happy that you are able to put together a good football team choosing from 8800  undergraduate students.   With our 2200 we have done some pretty good work too this year.    

Now let's be fair.  It's not like North Central and Whitewater construct their football rosters via tryouts in August.  Every decent player on both teams was recruited.  There is no "choosing" from the general student population!

Yes, that is true.  I retract that statement. 

+karma

[FormerCard]

I am happy that you are able to put together a good football team choosing from 8800  undergraduate students.   With our 2200 we have done some pretty good work too this year.    

Now let's be fair.  It's not like North Central and Whitewater construct their football rosters via tryouts in August.  Every decent player on both teams was recruited.  There is no "choosing" from the general student population!

Yes, that is true.  I retract that statement. 

+karma

Thanks,  I did add to my statement so hopefully I dont lose Karma for it 

[Gregory Sager]

Tell that to Pat and D-3football.com as they are the ones who labeled the WIAC #1 toughest conference in the country.  It is called parody:

Actually, it's called parity. If you're looking for "parody," here's the website you seek.

But, inasmuch as the WIAC has a bunch of teams in it that have 4-3 and 3-4 records, that's immaterial. Every league in the nation has the wins and losses within its schedule add up to zero. It doesn't matter if you have four teams that are 4-3 and four teams that are 3-4, or a 7-0, 6-1, 5-2, 4-3, 3-4, 2-5, 1-6, 0-7 spread, it all comes out the same:  28 games played, 28 wins, 28 losses. Same as next year, same as last year, same as the year before.

It's your non-conference games, and those of your league opponents, that matter in terms of determining SOS.

[Warhawk 96]

I'll play along...apart from what happen last year (i agee with you about that). Do you think NCC is a better team than UWW?

There's probably no one that thinks NCC is better than UWW. Wesley, St. Thomas, Mount Union, and MHB may not be better than UWW.


However, according to the NCCA's criteria, they all grade out higher than UWW after 11 weeks of football. The message is that SOS is important. Don't be complaining that no one will play you. Other teams make the same argument (UMU, Trine, NCC, etc.). Get creative to schedule better non-conference competition.

On the WIAC board, the UWW supporters belittle all the other WIAC teams. You need those teams to be better, to actually have a couple games where UWW sweats a little. In the last D3 Poll, only UWSP received votes (besides UWW) and it was just 1 vote. So, the rest of the country doesn't respect the rest of the WIAC. UWW could win the D3 Chamionship again, but the WIAC is not the best conference. The CCIW has had 2 teams in the top 20 all season, and other teams have received votes week to week. Look at the scores of Wheaton's games and you'll see a better balance in the CCIW.

1. If NCC has trouble scheduling teams why haven't they agreed to play us? We're 2 hours away and LOOKING.
2. Skunks is a Mount Union Guy, he's not traveling to Naperville. He just realizes how ridiculous this is.
3. We'll see how pointless rankings are in three weeks.
4. Just because we beat the schools in our league don't think that they can't beat your champions. They are good, we're just better and that's why we're the champions.

Congratulations on being the champs.  I am happy that you are able to put together a good football team choosing from 8800  undergraduate students.   With our 2200 we have done some pretty good work too this year.    The Cardinal and Warhawk players worked very hard this year to be in this position.  It would have been nice if they both would have got a #1 seed, but hey, they didnt.      

Why thank you. I appreciate the genuine admiration. Yes, we do have a large......enrollment. The relevance of this to the football team doesn't exist unless there is some sort of football or sport related funding for these students. I know that we don't have anything like that..... I agree that both teams have worked very hard to get to where they are. It's very unfortunate that we both couldn't get a number one seed but hey, who cares about the venue. The better team will win in the end anyways... I look forward to possibly seeing you all in Naperville, provided we make it that far. We have to squeak past several teams that are tougher than what we played against during the year to get the opportunity to upset North Central...

[Gregory Sager]

I'll play along...apart from what happen last year (i agee with you about that). Do you think NCC is a better team than UWW?

There's probably no one that thinks NCC is better than UWW. Wesley, St. Thomas, Mount Union, and MHB may not be better than UWW.


However, according to the NCCA's criteria, they all grade out higher than UWW after 11 weeks of football. The message is that SOS is important. Don't be complaining that no one will play you. Other teams make the same argument (UMU, Trine, NCC, etc.). Get creative to schedule better non-conference competition.

On the WIAC board, the UWW supporters belittle all the other WIAC teams. You need those teams to be better, to actually have a couple games where UWW sweats a little. In the last D3 Poll, only UWSP received votes (besides UWW) and it was just 1 vote. So, the rest of the country doesn't respect the rest of the WIAC. UWW could win the D3 Chamionship again, but the WIAC is not the best conference. The CCIW has had 2 teams in the top 20 all season, and other teams have received votes week to week. Look at the scores of Wheaton's games and you'll see a better balance in the CCIW.

1. If NCC has trouble scheduling teams why haven't they agreed to play us? We're 2 hours away and LOOKING.
2. Skunks is a Mount Union Guy, he's not traveling to Naperville. He just realizes how ridiculous this is.
3. We'll see how pointless rankings are in three weeks.
4. Just because we beat the schools in our league don't think that they can't beat your champions. They are good, we're just better and that's why we're the champions.

Congratulations on being the champs.  I am happy that you are able to put together a good football team choosing from 8800  undergraduate students.   With our 2200 we have done some pretty good work too this year.    The Cardinal and Warhawk players worked very hard this year to be in this position.  It would have been nice if they both would have got a #1 seed, but hey, they didnt.      

Why thank you. I appreciate the genuine admiration. Yes, we do have a large......enrollment. The relevance of this to the football team doesn't exist unless there is some sort of football or sport related funding for these students. I know that we don't have anything like that..... I agree that both teams have worked very hard to get to where they are. It's very unfortunate that we both couldn't get a number one seed but hey, who cares about the venue. The better team will win in the end anyways... I look forward to possibly seeing you all in Naperville, provided we make it that far. We have to squeak past several teams that are tougher than what we played against during the year to get the opportunity to upset North Central...

Now, that there is some mighty fine sarcasm. Well played, sir!

[footballfan413]

Tell that to Pat and D-3football.com as they are the ones who labeled the WIAC #1 toughest conference in the country.  It is called parody:

Actually, it's called parity. If you're looking for "parody," here's the website you seek.

But, inasmuch as the WIAC has a bunch of teams in it that have 4-3 and 3-4 records, that's immaterial. Every league in the nation has the wins and losses within its schedule add up to zero. It doesn't matter if you have four teams that are 4-3 and four teams that are 3-4, or a 7-0, 6-1, 5-2, 5-3, 4-3, 3-4, 2-5, 1-6, 0-7 spread, it all comes out the same:  28 games played, 28 wins, 28 losses. Same as next year, same as last year, same as the year before.

It's your non-conference games, and those of your league opponents, that matter in terms of determining SOS.

Forgive me, I am just a public school grad, afterall.   In  my defense, my main purpose in bringing up the conference record was in response to the swipe by Il gator about the WIAC not being a tough conference.  With regards to the RR, I should have stuck to the fact that because of the lack of D-3 opponents willing to play us, (and several other WIAC teams,) we only have 1 out of 3 NC games that count for us in the RR's.
BTW, I'll bet Coach L would love to hear from any CCIW schools with an open day next season.   We sure could use some help with that SOS as it, clearly, is the only thing that matters anymore.  

[footballfan413]

Sorry, Guys, if I got a little hot, I never had an intention to disparage NCC.  Clearly they have had a great season and will be a tough opponent if we all get that far.  As I stated before, my chief complaint is that the committee placed us no higher than #5 based on math that we, ultimately have no control over, given the lack of D-3 opponents willing to play us. It was never about NCC.  Looking forward to playing the Cards again if we both get that far.  The Warhawk nation travels well and a road trip only 2 hours away will be a piece of cake.  Congrats to the Cards on a great season and good luck next weekend.

[CardinalAlum]

Sorry, Guys, if I got a little hot, I never had an intention to disparage NCC.  Clearly they have had a great season and will be a tough opponent if we all get that far.  As I stated before, my chief complaint is that the committee placed us no higher than #5 based on math that we, ultimately have no control over, given the lack of D-3 opponents willing to play us. It was never about NCC.  Looking forward to playing the Cards again if we both get that far.  The Warhawk nation travels well and a road trip only 2 hours away will be a piece of cake.  Congrats to the Cards on a great season and good luck next weekend.

ff413,

Thanks for the cooler head post!  .   Nobody on this board is questioning that UWW is the team to beat this year.   As an NCC alum, the last team I wanted to see in our region was UWW.   The Cardinals have had a great year and deserve their #1 seed, but UWW not being a #1 is a joke.  Lots of football to be played before we might see that matchup in Naperville.  Good luck!     

[TCrawf5825]

Tell that to Pat and D-3football.com as they are the ones who labeled the WIAC #1 toughest conference in the country.  It is called parody:

Actually, it's called parity. If you're looking for "parody," here's the website you seek.

But, inasmuch as the WIAC has a bunch of teams in it that have 4-3 and 3-4 records, that's immaterial. Every league in the nation has the wins and losses within its schedule add up to zero. It doesn't matter if you have four teams that are 4-3 and four teams that are 3-4, or a 7-0, 6-1, 5-2, 4-3, 3-4, 2-5, 1-6, 0-7 spread, it all comes out the same:  28 games played, 28 wins, 28 losses. Same as next year, same as last year, same as the year before.

It's your non-conference games, and those of your league opponents, that matter in terms of determining SOS.

Just a thought !  I believe the NCAA should rank conferences as well.  When weak teams like Benedictine and St Lawrence get an automatic bid by playing in a weak conference and weak non-conference schedules and then teams like Roman, Pacific Lutheran and Redlands can't get a birth something is wrong.  NCAA needs to look at taking away automatic bids for conferences who grade low in non=conference paly so fewer teams get screwed.  As a side note BEnedictine used to play NCC and tired of being whipped by 60 points.  They aren't any better and are in the play-offs what a joke

[ncc_fan]

If D3's bracket ends up being right, and I assume it will be in regards to MTU and UWW, I'd be really pissed if I was a NCC player, coach or fan.  They get rid of Mount in a year the Raiders are susceptible and get Whitewater again.  Nice.  

Plus, I still don't know what makes St Thomas a stronger #1 seed than North Central.  IMHO, Whitewater should stay in the West, North Central should hold down the North and Mount should prop up the East.

Well, it happened, and I am indeed pissed.  And it doesn't make me feel any better to see NCC as the #1 seed, except that I won't have to listen to that damn cannon if both NCC and UWW make it to week 3. 

In the committee's UST vs. NCC discussion why did SOS trump other criteria, such as record vs. regionally ranked opponents? 

[ncc_fan]

If D3's bracket ends up being right, and I assume it will be in regards to MTU and UWW, I'd be really pissed if I was a NCC player, coach or fan.  They get rid of Mount in a year the Raiders are susceptible and get Whitewater again.  Nice.  

Plus, I still don't know what makes St Thomas a stronger #1 seed than North Central.  IMHO, Whitewater should stay in the West, North Central should hold down the North and Mount should prop up the East.

Well, it happened, and I am indeed pissed.  And it doesn't make me feel any better to see NCC as the #1 seed, except that I won't have to listen to that damn cannon if both NCC and UWW make it to week 3. 

In the committee's UST vs. NCC discussion why did SOS trump other criteria, such as record vs. regionally ranked opponents? 

Just figured out the answer to my own question:  IWU likely dropped out of the regional rankings, so both UST and NCC had one victory over regionally ranked teams.

[02 Warhawk]

If D3's bracket ends up being right, and I assume it will be in regards to MTU and UWW, I'd be really pissed if I was a NCC player, coach or fan.  They get rid of Mount in a year the Raiders are susceptible and get Whitewater again.  Nice.  

Plus, I still don't know what makes St Thomas a stronger #1 seed than North Central.  IMHO, Whitewater should stay in the West, North Central should hold down the North and Mount should prop up the East.

Well, it happened, and I am indeed pissed.  And it doesn't make me feel any better to see NCC as the #1 seed, except that I won't have to listen to that damn cannon if both NCC and UWW make it to week 3. 

In the committee's UST vs. NCC discussion why did SOS trump other criteria, such as record vs. regionally ranked opponents? 

don't think you should be that pissed. I mean, odds are you would of had either one of those two in NCC's region. At least now you can get UWW at home. If you ever had a team that can knock off either program, it would be this year's NCC team, IMHO.

have you looked at the WIAC board?? sh!t is hitting the fan...I don't think we want to play this NCC team in Naperville. I was worried about playing them in Whitewater, now you can imagine how i feel on the possibility on traveling to NCC.

[footballfan413]

Sorry, Guys, if I got a little hot, I never had an intention to disparage NCC.  Clearly they have had a great season and will be a tough opponent if we all get that far.  As I stated before, my chief complaint is that the committee placed us no higher than #5 based on math that we, ultimately have no control over, given the lack of D-3 opponents willing to play us. It was never about NCC.  Looking forward to playing the Cards again if we both get that far.  The Warhawk nation travels well and a road trip only 2 hours away will be a piece of cake.  Congrats to the Cards on a great season and good luck next weekend.

ff413,

Thanks for the cooler head post!  .   Nobody on this board is questioning that UWW is the team to beat this year.   As an NCC alum, the last team I wanted to see in our region was UWW.   The Cardinals have had a great year and deserve their #1 seed, but UWW not being a #1 is a joke.  Lots of football to be played before we might see that matchup in Naperville.  Good luck!    

Thanks, CA.  Actually, thinking about this more, I realized that not only are we not the #1 seed but the committee set us up to be the #7 overall, for all intent and purposes.  Being the #2 in the #4 ranked region means we give up home field advantage to, not only to the #1 but the #2 seed as well.  IF we win the North Region championship, we will travel to either Texas or Welsey baring an upset win of the  South region by a #3 or lower.  Do I have that right? Or does South host North no matter who wins it by virtue of the bracket seedings?  What in the hell possessed the committee rank a region with UWW and NCC in it the weakest of the 4?

[usee]

Ff413-

I agree w you again. As you pointed out elsewhere it makes no sense that the NCAA put UWW #2 but leapfrogged UMU over NCC last week. Also, if they are being strictly criteria focused, the NCC/UWW bracket should be ahead of the UMU bracket because NCC is still stronger than UMU for the same reason they ranked them ahead of UWW. Very inconsistent.