FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[cigarstore_indian]

    Cigarstore-Indian   I both played college football and coached it as well. High school too.  You're right that I got snooty with Cardinaldad which I appologize for but those other two were just getting sarcastic because I disagreed with their common opponent theory.   I know what pilepicking is and all that.  I believe the officials kept god control of the game. ONU had 9 penalties,  I recall 3 clips which were kids hustleing, a holding on big number 71 and a few procedure calls, not alot of late hits.  When you keep the ball on the ground many times over the middle you will get alot of piles and hustling kids will try to push it in their direction until the whislte blows.
   
   If someone disagrees with me then making a football argument is fine in fact I want to hear that which is why I am here but the "liar-liar pants on fire " type sarcasm with posts that don't support someons specific agenda are whats not called for,

I agree that aggressive play and hustle is a great practice for any player.  However, as a coach who has coached every level from youth league to college, I completely discourage late hits, even if it is hustle.  I make my guys do two up-downs for every penalty yard we get.  If it's a personal foul I triple it.  Personal fouls are inexcusable, ESPECIALLY if it comes after the play.  Sometimes a block in the back or a hold will happen.  But pile picking is intentional.  I'm not saying that ONU is a dirty team either.  I had the pleasure of watching NCC take the OAC plunge in the preseason back in '08 and loved how physical both teams were.  But physicality is different than frustration. 

As far as this week goes.  In 07, when NCC played UW-W, they out scored their opponent 17-7 for 44 minutes in the game.  That leaves 16 minutes where the Cards needed to keep it together.  I believe that this team we have will be able to keep those 16 minutes under control.  The defense has an unbelievable amount of depth, and the offense seems to be firing on all cylinders.  I also feel that Coach Thorne will try and limit the amount of mistakes made on special teams.  The seniors this year know what's on the line when it comes to UW-W.  They've played them and know to expect a BIG, physical team that will be aggressive.  And I'm sure they know that UW-W will be overly aggressive in order to prove that they are the "better" team (quotes around better because I believe these teams match up evenly).  I see the NCC defense stepping up big and shutting down Coppage.  And I think the offense will continue to roll.  This will be the most exciting game of the year in Division III football.

[Mugsy]

Bleedpurple-- Do I detect a hint of SARCASM??? How dare you insult our board with such rhetoric. I am walking away to the D3.com racquetball board.  

You should check out the chess board.....Mugsy is a shoo in for the playoffs this year!   

Until I sprained my brain... now I'm 50/50.

[Mugsy]

TCrawf, let's take a look at your line of reasoning and talk "football". What I was obviously trying to say is "finding an opponents weakness" is NOT and advantage of coach Thorne. This isn't UWW's first rodeo and you don't make it to 5 Stagg bowls by not finding and exploiting an opponents weakness. That seems pretty essential to any successful teams gameplan. You seemed to reiterate it as if John Thorne has a corner on the market in finding another teams weakness and exploiting it. All I was highlighting is the fact that Coach Leipold and his staff have made a playoff lifetime out of doing that better than their opponents. And they usually do it with better players (which a smart coach once told me "better players make plays better"). So if NCC wants to win Saturday, I hope they bring something more to the party than Thorne's ability to find and exploit an opponents weaknesses.

The above is what I mean by talking football, why not just do that in the first place.  You are right about one thing if sarcasm is the order of the day I shold find another board

You see (too subtle?), you cannot be subtle when communicating with the highly educated football coaches on our board.  They don't deal in subtleties.  They clearly know more than you and I.  Do not question authority.

Memo to all future posters, make sure you explain to the highly educated, in dramatic detail exactly what you are attempting to communicate, so they can follow along..... you poop heads.

Please attach you football, education and professional resumes to all posts so that I know whether or not it'll be a waste of my time to read your drivel, or so the I can just skip it assuming it to be completely nonsensical.

It is really beneficial if you can start your post with "I am a former college football player and coach..."   

[cigarstore_indian]

TCrawf, let's take a look at your line of reasoning and talk "football". What I was obviously trying to say is "finding an opponents weakness" is NOT and advantage of coach Thorne. This isn't UWW's first rodeo and you don't make it to 5 Stagg bowls by not finding and exploiting an opponents weakness. That seems pretty essential to any successful teams gameplan. You seemed to reiterate it as if John Thorne has a corner on the market in finding another teams weakness and exploiting it. All I was highlighting is the fact that Coach Leipold and his staff have made a playoff lifetime out of doing that better than their opponents. And they usually do it with better players (which a smart coach once told me "better players make plays better"). So if NCC wants to win Saturday, I hope they bring something more to the party than Thorne's ability to find and exploit an opponents weaknesses.

The above is what I mean by talking football, why not just do that in the first place.  You are right about one thing if sarcasm is the order of the day I shold find another board

You see (too subtle?), you cannot be subtle when communicating with the highly educated football coaches on our board.  They don't deal in subtleties.  They clearly know more than you and I.  Do not question authority.

Memo to all future posters, make sure you explain to the highly educated, in dramatic detail exactly what you are attempting to communicate, so they can follow along..... you poop heads.

Please attach you football, education and professional resumes to all posts so that I know whether or not it'll be a waste of my time to read your drivel, or so the I can just skip it assuming it to be completely nonsensical.

It is really beneficial if you can start your post with "I am a former college football player and coach..."   

See, another post where I wish I could +k.  The only reason I brought it up for my point was so that it held maybe SOME validation with TCrawf.  But, after all, he is the God of the board. So, who knows? 

[Mugsy]

TCrawf, let's take a look at your line of reasoning and talk "football". What I was obviously trying to say is "finding an opponents weakness" is NOT and advantage of coach Thorne. This isn't UWW's first rodeo and you don't make it to 5 Stagg bowls by not finding and exploiting an opponents weakness. That seems pretty essential to any successful teams gameplan. You seemed to reiterate it as if John Thorne has a corner on the market in finding another teams weakness and exploiting it. All I was highlighting is the fact that Coach Leipold and his staff have made a playoff lifetime out of doing that better than their opponents. And they usually do it with better players (which a smart coach once told me "better players make plays better"). So if NCC wants to win Saturday, I hope they bring something more to the party than Thorne's ability to find and exploit an opponents weaknesses.

The above is what I mean by talking football, why not just do that in the first place.  You are right about one thing if sarcasm is the order of the day I shold find another board

You see (too subtle?), you cannot be subtle when communicating with the highly educated football coaches on our board.  They don't deal in subtleties.  They clearly know more than you and I.  Do not question authority.

Memo to all future posters, make sure you explain to the highly educated, in dramatic detail exactly what you are attempting to communicate, so they can follow along..... you poop heads.

Please attach you football, education and professional resumes to all posts so that I know whether or not it'll be a waste of my time to read your drivel, or so the I can just skip it assuming it to be completely nonsensical.

It is really beneficial if you can start your post with "I am a former college football player and coach..."  

See, another post where I wish I could +k.  The only reason I brought it up for my point was so that it held maybe SOME validation with TCrawf.  But, after all, he is the God of the board. So, who knows?  

Yes... I know.  Several people have included this in recent posts.  

For me it is right up there with the "watch the tape" or "look at the film" statements.  Whatever argument provided becomes infallable if followed by "watch the tape" or preceeded with "I'm a former player and coach...".    Particularly if those involved in the thread are not former players or coaches... after all they clearly can not have the same level of football knowledge nor can they provide any insight.  

Apologies if this is just too laced with sarcasm

[usee]

Getting back on topic.

I am extremely worried about NCC's offense vs. UWW's D.

I am not confident in NCC's ability to run the ball effectively.  I am also not confident in NCC's ability to alter their style and sling the ball all over the field this weekend.  If I'm UWW, I'm putting 8 in the box, manning up on the outside, and daring Stanek to beat me.

I hate to deal in cliches, but it seems to me that this weekend will come down to field position and special teams.

Washdup- That's the rub. UWW matches up with NCC better than they did v Franklin and Trine. NCC has great players on defense. Garza, Hayes and Clendenning are great speed guys as DE's (combined 39 tfl and 28 sacks). Bulandr has had a phenomal year as a big,strong DT clogging the middle. and Wenger is as good an LB as I have seen in D3(107 tackles, 10 tfl). Schneiderbauer and Thompson are also very good.  Their strength will be matched with UWW's "pound the rock" OL w Coppage and company. If NCC can stop UWW on the ground they will be forced out of their typcial offense and they match up well. UWW has been able to run the ball against EVERYBODY the last 5 years. Mt Union included. They will be very confident in their ability to run the ball against the NCC defense. And for defenses that play zero coverage (which allows the safeties to come into the box against the run) they have capable playmakers in Rusch and Brekke/Donavan to hurt you down the field. On the other side, UWW has been very strong against the run all year and NCC likes to "pound the rock" with Tassio, Kukuc, Hicks and co. This is strength against strength and something has to give. There will be no debate as to who the #1 seed is after Saturday.

[BoBo]

Getting back on topic.

I am extremely worried about NCC's offense vs. UWW's D.

I am not confident in NCC's ability to run the ball effectively.  I am also not confident in NCC's ability to alter their style and sling the ball all over the field this weekend.  If I'm UWW, I'm putting 8 in the box, manning up on the outside, and daring Stanek to beat me.

I hate to deal in cliches, but it seems to me that this weekend will come down to field position and special teams.

Whitewater's strength on defense is against the run. IMO, they feel very comfortable doing their normal packages to stop the opponents running game. Their weakness is in the secondary - doing what you suggest (loading the box) is probably not in the cards (no pun intended)  Half-time adjustments are usually what propell them to so many wins in the second half of games.

In 12 games, UWW has fumbled 8 times, losing 6 and thrown 2 INT's in 288 pass attempts, while gaining 26 turnovers (16 fumbles; 12 INT's). How has North Central fared in the turnover department? Also, UWW has 40 sacks on defense and has given up 7 - NCC? I'm sure they have some impressive numbers, as well. The similarities might be interesting?

btw, my resume Mugsy - I  have a B.S. UWW, M.S. UW-La Crosse, PhD Texas A&M, retired military, black belt in both Tae Kwon Do and Kendo and a 11 1/2 (the 1/2 is important!) year old daughter who knows everything.    Yes, I know, a public school education - what can I say?  ; player (H.S.); coach (middle school)

[BoBo]

^ I see Usee answered some of my questions.

But no Donovan...used up his playing time last year. The guy you're thinking of is Matt Blanchard out of Lake Zurich, if he's healthy!! 

[usee]

Apogies, BoBo, Blanchard is indeed who I meant. I have nightmares about seeing Donavan though.

NCC has 45 sacks (they have given up 21 sacks) and 94 tfl. They are pretty simple on defense, mainly a cover 2 team with some man under stuff. they play a base 3-4 defense but also line up w a 4 man front (which I suspect we will see more of on Saturday). Overall turnovers they have fumbled 13 times and lost 6 and thrown 9 INTs on 245 attempts. They have gained 28 turnovers (17 INT, 11 fumbles)

[cigarstore_indian]

TCrawf, let's take a look at your line of reasoning and talk "football". What I was obviously trying to say is "finding an opponents weakness" is NOT and advantage of coach Thorne. This isn't UWW's first rodeo and you don't make it to 5 Stagg bowls by not finding and exploiting an opponents weakness. That seems pretty essential to any successful teams gameplan. You seemed to reiterate it as if John Thorne has a corner on the market in finding another teams weakness and exploiting it. All I was highlighting is the fact that Coach Leipold and his staff have made a playoff lifetime out of doing that better than their opponents. And they usually do it with better players (which a smart coach once told me "better players make plays better"). So if NCC wants to win Saturday, I hope they bring something more to the party than Thorne's ability to find and exploit an opponents weaknesses.

The above is what I mean by talking football, why not just do that in the first place.  You are right about one thing if sarcasm is the order of the day I shold find another board

You see (too subtle?), you cannot be subtle when communicating with the highly educated football coaches on our board.  They don't deal in subtleties.  They clearly know more than you and I.  Do not question authority.

Memo to all future posters, make sure you explain to the highly educated, in dramatic detail exactly what you are attempting to communicate, so they can follow along..... you poop heads.

Please attach you football, education and professional resumes to all posts so that I know whether or not it'll be a waste of my time to read your drivel, or so the I can just skip it assuming it to be completely nonsensical.

It is really beneficial if you can start your post with "I am a former college football player and coach..."  

See, another post where I wish I could +k.  The only reason I brought it up for my point was so that it held maybe SOME validation with TCrawf.  But, after all, he is the God of the board. So, who knows?  

Yes... I know.  Several people have included this in recent posts.  

For me it is right up there with the "watch the tape" or "look at the film" statements.  Whatever argument provided becomes infallable if followed by "watch the tape" or preceeded with "I'm a former player and coach...".    Particularly if those involved in the thread are not former players or coaches... after all they clearly can not have the same level of football knowledge nor can they provide any insight.  

Apologies if this is just too laced with sarcasm

Haha, it's totally OK.  As I have said, I've read the board for years and know what to expect.  No harm no foul.

[Mr. Flynn]

Whitewater may have problems passing if they do go with Blanchard, I was under the impression that he injured his throwing hand and hasn't seen any action in almost three weeks.  A little rust and soreness in your throwing hand may lead to inaccuracy and costly turnovers.

[cigarstore_indian]

Whitewater may have problems passing if they do go with Blanchard, I was under the impression that he injured his throwing hand and hasn't seen any action in almost three weeks.  A little rust and soreness in your throwing hand may lead to inaccuracy and costly turnovers.

This COULD bode well for the Cardinals.  Their ability to make big plays and get points off of turnovers has really come into play this year.  Two stingy defenses and two explosive offenses will really make for an exciting game.

[usee]

I don't think they have missed too much as Brekke, the backup, has led them to 50+ and 45+ pt performances.

[cigarstore_indian]

I don't think they have missed too much as Brekke, the backup, has led them to 50+ and 45+ pt performances.

Good point USee.  The depth that UW-W has could pose a major problem to NCC.  Being able to have a back up step in and not miss a beat is what Championship caliber teams do (and we all know UW-W's credentials).  The Cards are getting to that point, but aren't quite there.  They have two VERY capable quarterbacks in Staneck and Crackel.  And they are deep in running backs.  But they aren't quite to the depth that UW-W has. 

[Mr. Flynn]

I lose karma for stating a legitimate concern?   You Whitewater people must be a little touchy about your injured players.