FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Augie6]

Augie 6,
Let me start out by saying I am not trying to have an argument with you, by any means.  However, I would like to address a couple of your points. I shouldn't have said don't fault him because what I meant is that he should not shoulder all the load; obviously blame has to be placed on him, as well as the players, and other coaches.  As for the Defense's numbers right now I can't argue with you, but I would argue this does not necessarily reflect his football mind, but maybe the players are not getting it done.  I have not seen them play this year so I could not tell you, but as a coach you know that you can put your players in the right position and sometimes plays just are not being made.  At the same time you might be putting them in the wrong position and it is on you.  Yet I am sure there are various factors in this.  As for the new defensive coordinator, I realize this will not help out any point that I am trying to make, but Cushman still runs the defense, not the co defensive coordinators just wanted to clarify this.  As for the 30+ yard completions I really cannot put that on the coaches, not one bit.  That one I put fully on the players; I am sorry but as a player I think there is no excuse for this at the end of the game.  I am not at all in any shape or form condoning a losing record for Augie.  I too want to see Augie return to national prominence, but the reality is D3 football is not the same landscape it once was.  Furthermore, it would take an unyielding support from the administration to move in that direction, and as of right now it does not look that way as we both agree on. 

Now, I completely understand where your post was coming from because I was wrong in making it seem like I thought he deserved no blame.  As i said earlier, I just wanted to hammer home the point that the players must be accountable too.  Here's to hoping Augie turns it around this year.  Are you attending the game on Saturday?

21,

Not trying to start an argument with you either, and I apologize if my comments came off a little strong.  Blame/fault or whatever you want to call it for Augie's start, does need to be passed around to both the coaches and players.  I'm not putting this all on Coach Cushman and his staff.  But I am reacting to my frustrations with how this whole coaching change came about, which we discussed on this board last November.  I think I'm going to have to let that go and hope Augie gets it turned around soon.

I am going to try to make it to the game this Saturday.  I have one son playing for Wheaton Warrenville South (freshman game Sat. am) and I'm coaching another in a Wheaton Rams game Saturday afternoon.  If I am able to make it, it will be a very full day of football.  Are you going to be there?  If so, it would be great to meet you and get your perspective on the situation in person.   

[bluejay4ever]

Jaybird do you ever pick EC to win a tough game? I think the only problem for EC is that Wheaton is coming off a loss. They have to take their best shots early and will be important to start fast. I do not know when the last time Elmhurst has won at Wheaton but I have a good feeling that the team is ready to take a big step forward. Elmhurst comes out on top 34-31.

[Mugsy]

Jaybird do you ever pick EC to win a tough game? I think the only problem for EC is that Wheaton is coming off a loss. They have to take their best shots early and will be important to start fast. I do not know when the last time Elmhurst has won at Wheaton but I have a good feeling that the team is ready to take a big step forward. Elmhurst comes out on top 34-31.

Results Wheaton vs. Elmhurst @ McCully Field since Elmhurst last won there in 1982:
2009: Wheaton 38, Elmhurst 7
2006: Wheaton 34, Elmhurst 0
2004: Wheaton 56, Elmhurst 6
2002: Wheaton 62, Elmhurst 7
2001: Wheaton 48, Elmhurst 14
1998: Wheaton 44, Elmhurst 6
1996: Wheaton 43, Elmhurst 0
1994: Wheaton 40, Elmhurst 19
1992: Wheaton 30, Elmhurst 6
1990: Wheaton 47, Elmhurst 21
1988: Wheaton 26, Elmhurst 0
1986: Wheaton 17, Elmhurst 0
1984: Wheaton 7, Elmhurst 6
1982: Elmhurst 52, Wheaton 21

Elmhurst has beaten Wheaton 4 times in Elmhurst since 1982, including huge upset wins in 1999 and 2008.

All this noted, I do expect a close game tomorrow.

[bluejay4ever]

Jaybird do you ever pick EC to win a tough game? I think the only problem for EC is that Wheaton is coming off a loss. They have to take their best shots early and will be important to start fast. I do not know when the last time Elmhurst has won at Wheaton but I have a good feeling that the team is ready to take a big step forward. Elmhurst comes out on top 34-31.

Results Wheaton vs. Elmhurst @ McCully Field since Elmhurst last won there in 1982:
2009: Wheaton 38, Elmhurst 7
2006: Wheaton 34, Elmhurst 0
2004: Wheaton 56, Elmhurst 6
2002: Wheaton 62, Elmhurst 7
2001: Wheaton 48, Elmhurst 14
1998: Wheaton 44, Elmhurst 6
1996: Wheaton 43, Elmhurst 0
1994: Wheaton 40, Elmhurst 19
1992: Wheaton 30, Elmhurst 6
1990: Wheaton 47, Elmhurst 21
1988: Wheaton 26, Elmhurst 0
1986: Wheaton 17, Elmhurst 0
1984: Wheaton 7, Elmhurst 6
1982: Elmhurst 52, Wheaton 21

Elmhurst has beaten Wheaton 4 times in Elmhurst since 1982, including huge upset wins in 1999 and 2008.

All this noted, I do expect a close game tomorrow.

I was on that 98 team. That was a great feeling and won of the few bright spots of my playing days. Thank you for the info! Good luck to all this weekend.

[AndOne]

NCC VS AUGIE GAME NEWS

It appears, with a fairly high degree of probability, that freshman Tyler Dicken will open at QB for NCC against Augie tomorrow night at 7:00 in Naperville.
As far as I can determine, Brad Crackel is not injured and may well also see action, but it appears almost a certainty that Dicken will start.

[bluejay4ever]

Jaybird do you ever pick EC to win a tough game? I think the only problem for EC is that Wheaton is coming off a loss. They have to take their best shots early and will be important to start fast. I do not know when the last time Elmhurst has won at Wheaton but I have a good feeling that the team is ready to take a big step forward. Elmhurst comes out on top 34-31.

Results Wheaton vs. Elmhurst @ McCully Field since Elmhurst last won there in 1982:
2009: Wheaton 38, Elmhurst 7
2006: Wheaton 34, Elmhurst 0
2004: Wheaton 56, Elmhurst 6
2002: Wheaton 62, Elmhurst 7
2001: Wheaton 48, Elmhurst 14
1998: Wheaton 44, Elmhurst 6
1996: Wheaton 43, Elmhurst 0
1994: Wheaton 40, Elmhurst 19
1992: Wheaton 30, Elmhurst 6
1990: Wheaton 47, Elmhurst 21
1988: Wheaton 26, Elmhurst 0
1986: Wheaton 17, Elmhurst 0
1984: Wheaton 7, Elmhurst 6
1982: Elmhurst 52, Wheaton 21

Elmhurst has beaten Wheaton 4 times in Elmhurst since 1982, including huge upset wins in 1999 and 2008.

All this noted, I do expect a close game tomorrow.

I was on that 98 team. That was a great feeling and one of the few bright spots of my playing days. Thank you for the info! Good luck to all this weekend.

[ncc58]

I see your rationale, but I have reservations. 

Even if Elmhurst beats Wheaton this week I still don't put Elmhurst in the top 25.  Instead I would have serious questions as to whether or not Wheaton is truly a top 25 team (I currently already have a few concerns with regards to that).

Now... if Elmhurst follows up a win over Wheaton with a win over IWU.  Then you've got a stronger case.

Right now I've got a decade worth of results that gives me little confidence that this year will be anything different for Elmhurst.  Until they break through, I don't seem them as more that 6-4 or 5-5 (7-3 at best).

I see Elmhurst and Carthage battling for 4th place. Elmhurst has a scary offense with the ability to score a lot of  points.

I expect Wheaton to win this weekend, and that would put Elmhurst no where near the top 25 with two losses and IWU and NCC yet to play.

However, if Wheaton loses, I would expect Wheaton to drop from the top 25 - and that would be scary for the Wheaton program who has been in the top 25 for the last decade (or so it seems).

[CardinalAlum]

One of my buddies, who was on the Augie dynasty teams of the 80's, wants 28 points and Augie tomorrow!  How times have changed!!!   .

[Veinteuno]

Augie 6,
Let me start out by saying I am not trying to have an argument with you, by any means.  However, I would like to address a couple of your points. I shouldn't have said don't fault him because what I meant is that he should not shoulder all the load; obviously blame has to be placed on him, as well as the players, and other coaches.  As for the Defense's numbers right now I can't argue with you, but I would argue this does not necessarily reflect his football mind, but maybe the players are not getting it done.  I have not seen them play this year so I could not tell you, but as a coach you know that you can put your players in the right position and sometimes plays just are not being made.  At the same time you might be putting them in the wrong position and it is on you.  Yet I am sure there are various factors in this.  As for the new defensive coordinator, I realize this will not help out any point that I am trying to make, but Cushman still runs the defense, not the co defensive coordinators just wanted to clarify this.  As for the 30+ yard completions I really cannot put that on the coaches, not one bit.  That one I put fully on the players; I am sorry but as a player I think there is no excuse for this at the end of the game.  I am not at all in any shape or form condoning a losing record for Augie.  I too want to see Augie return to national prominence, but the reality is D3 football is not the same landscape it once was.  Furthermore, it would take an unyielding support from the administration to move in that direction, and as of right now it does not look that way as we both agree on. 

Now, I completely understand where your post was coming from because I was wrong in making it seem like I thought he deserved no blame.  As i said earlier, I just wanted to hammer home the point that the players must be accountable too.  Here's to hoping Augie turns it around this year.  Are you attending the game on Saturday?

21,

Not trying to start an argument with you either, and I apologize if my comments came off a little strong.  Blame/fault or whatever you want to call it for Augie's start, does need to be passed around to both the coaches and players.  I'm not putting this all on Coach Cushman and his staff.  But I am reacting to my frustrations with how this whole coaching change came about, which we discussed on this board last November.  I think I'm going to have to let that go and hope Augie gets it turned around soon.

I am going to try to make it to the game this Saturday.  I have one son playing for Wheaton Warrenville South (freshman game Sat. am) and I'm coaching another in a Wheaton Rams game Saturday afternoon.  If I am able to make it, it will be a very full day of football.  Are you going to be there?  If so, it would be great to meet you and get your perspective on the situation in person.   

Augie6,

I will indeed be at the game tommorow night.  Also, funny thing I actually work and coach the sophomore team at WWS; so I am sure this is not the last we will hear from eachother.  Hope to see you at the game, and lets hope for a Rams, Tigers, and Vikings W tommorow.

[Augie6]

Augie 6,
Let me start out by saying I am not trying to have an argument with you, by any means.  However, I would like to address a couple of your points. I shouldn't have said don't fault him because what I meant is that he should not shoulder all the load; obviously blame has to be placed on him, as well as the players, and other coaches.  As for the Defense's numbers right now I can't argue with you, but I would argue this does not necessarily reflect his football mind, but maybe the players are not getting it done.  I have not seen them play this year so I could not tell you, but as a coach you know that you can put your players in the right position and sometimes plays just are not being made.  At the same time you might be putting them in the wrong position and it is on you.  Yet I am sure there are various factors in this.  As for the new defensive coordinator, I realize this will not help out any point that I am trying to make, but Cushman still runs the defense, not the co defensive coordinators just wanted to clarify this.  As for the 30+ yard completions I really cannot put that on the coaches, not one bit.  That one I put fully on the players; I am sorry but as a player I think there is no excuse for this at the end of the game.  I am not at all in any shape or form condoning a losing record for Augie.  I too want to see Augie return to national prominence, but the reality is D3 football is not the same landscape it once was.  Furthermore, it would take an unyielding support from the administration to move in that direction, and as of right now it does not look that way as we both agree on. 

Now, I completely understand where your post was coming from because I was wrong in making it seem like I thought he deserved no blame.  As i said earlier, I just wanted to hammer home the point that the players must be accountable too.  Here's to hoping Augie turns it around this year.  Are you attending the game on Saturday?

21,

Not trying to start an argument with you either, and I apologize if my comments came off a little strong.  Blame/fault or whatever you want to call it for Augie's start, does need to be passed around to both the coaches and players.  I'm not putting this all on Coach Cushman and his staff.  But I am reacting to my frustrations with how this whole coaching change came about, which we discussed on this board last November.  I think I'm going to have to let that go and hope Augie gets it turned around soon.

I am going to try to make it to the game this Saturday.  I have one son playing for Wheaton Warrenville South (freshman game Sat. am) and I'm coaching another in a Wheaton Rams game Saturday afternoon.  If I am able to make it, it will be a very full day of football.  Are you going to be there?  If so, it would be great to meet you and get your perspective on the situation in person.   

Augie6,

I will indeed be at the game tommorow night.  Also, funny thing I actually work and coach the sophomore team at WWS; so I am sure this is not the last we will hear from eachother.  Hope to see you at the game, and lets hope for a Rams, Tigers, and Vikings W tommorow.

You don't happen to also umpire baseball games for the WPD do you?  If yes, then we met this summer when I was coaching my youngest son's team.  I'm also guessing you just returned from the South game (what an unbelievable finish).  Caught the 2nd half of the sophomore game and they looked good.  Hope to see you tomorrow at NCC. 

[Titan Q]

IWU has lost senior WR Dayton Burnett to a season-ending injury knee suffered last week vs Wheaton.  Burnett is currently IWU's second leading receiver in terms of yards (194) and catches (17). 

The Titans are deep at WR with Tate Musselman, Joey Driver, and Michael Sloboda, but losing Burnett will hurt.

Sounds like RB T.J. Stinde is still out.

[Titan Q]

Some game notes from the IWU site on the NPU matchup today...

http://www.iwusports.com/custompages/Football/FB2011/NorthParknotes11.pdf


IWU has won 25 in a row vs the Vikings.

[Gregory Sager]

Rob Dubicz and I will be on the call for today's IWU @ NPU contest, starting at 1 pm. Click on Listen Live on the NPU football page to listen in.

[Mugsy]

Interesting... I've been posting about how it is too early to consider Elmhurst as a top 25 team in response to a question from a non-CCIW poster.  My past posts show how Elmhurst has often started fast, but then hit the skids in CCIW play.  2010 as a bit different as Elmhurst easily could have been 8-2 if they could finish out games.

I have stated that I think this game will be very, very close, because Elmhurst has a very good defense and perhaps the best RB in the conference.  Plus I'm not sure at this point if Wheaton is a top 25 team... I hope they prove me wrong like they usually do.

Just heard from a very reliable source that there are those in the Wheaton program who view this Elmhurst team as they best they've seen in the past 6-8 years.  Some said Elmhurst could be every bit as good as IWU, who Wheaton just lost to last week.  Furthermore they point out that the Elmhurst defense could be even better than IWU's.  Combine that with Williams rushing attack and you've got the makings of a solid team, if they can cut out the turnovers and mistakes that have cost them in years past.

Should be very, very interesting in Wheaton today.  We'll learn a lot about which team will truly be listed as a CCIW contender, though I still don't see anyone beating NCC.

[Mugsy]

So far my concerns seem like paranoia.  Wheaton leading Elmhurst 23-0 with 11 minutes remaining in the 2nd quarter.  The Elmhurst defense that I heard was so good is getting whipped thus far.

Still Elmhurst has an explosive offense and there is a TON of time left.