FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Always.A.Titan]

CCIW POTW

http://cciw.org/news/2011/10/10/FB_1010115440.aspx

[titanOL]

Hey guys,

I'm a recent IWU football alumni and thought it was about time to join the discussion on the boards. For my first post I wanted to pose a question regarding the injury to Burnette. Does anyone know about the rules for receiving a medical redshirt for d3? Would he be able to apply for one after only 2 conference games, or is the time limit up (I'm fairly sure there is one)? I know Jenkins got one last year, but his injury occurred in the scrimmage against Benedictine.

[d3fan1515]

If you play in more then three games, non-conference or conference it doesn't matter, it is considered a full yr. So I doubt the player could get a red-shirt year.

[AndOne]

As Pat Coleman has advised us-----

You are not permitted to redshirt in Division III. Redshirting is the practice of having a player attend and participate in practices but not play in any games, preserving a year of eligibility. Medical redshirting (also known as a medical hardship season) is still permitted at the Division III level. The general guideline is that you must have played one-third of the scheduled games or fewer in order to be eligible. If you suffer a season-ending injury in that time-frame and can document it, your conference (or athletic director, if an independent) can file paperwork with the NCAA on your behalf to restore a season of eligibility. So-called "routine" redshirting is still permitted at other levels and those redshirts are recognized by Division III in general, although some conferences may not recognize them. (You will want to confirm with your school's compliance officer if you are transferring in.) That is, if you redshirted outside of Division III and then transferred to a D-III school, you would not be forced to give up that year of eligibility. (To redshirt in this manner you may not appear in any games whatsoever.) And of course, anyone who had a routine redshirt year at a Division III school before Aug. 1, 2004, has that redshirt grandfathered in.

[BashDad]

You are not permitted to redshirt in Division III. Redshirting is the practice of having a player attend and participate in practices but not play in any games, preserving a year of eligibility. Medical redshirting (also known as a medical hardship season) is still permitted at the Division III level. The general guideline is that you must have played one-third of the scheduled games or fewer in order to be eligible. If you suffer a season-ending injury in that time-frame and can document it, your conference (or athletic director, if an independent) can file paperwork with the NCAA on your behalf to restore a season of eligibility. So-called "routine" redshirting is still permitted at other levels and those redshirts are recognized by Division III in general, although some conferences may not recognize them. (You will want to confirm with your school's compliance officer if you are transferring in.) That is, if you redshirted outside of Division III and then transferred to a D-III school, you would not be forced to give up that year of eligibility. (To redshirt in this manner you may not appear in any games whatsoever.) And of course, anyone who had a routine redshirt year at a Division III school before Aug. 1, 2004, has that redshirt grandfathered in.

Ro-Bot. Voice.

[Mugsy]

Wheaton vs. North Park game capsule

Records:
   Wheaton:   4-1, 1-1
   North Park: 3-2, 0-2

Statistical Category	Wheaton	North Park	Comment
Offense Scoring	38.8	18.8
Defense Scoring	21.6	28.0
Off Pass Efficiency	149.4	83.8
Off Pass Completion %	64.1	18.2
Off Pass YPG	308.8	40.2
Off Pass TD's	14	2
Off INT's	6	1
Def Pass Efficiency	111.4	125.3
Def Pass Completion %	52.7	53.3
Def Pass YPG	213.6	243.8
Pass TD's Allowed	8	7
Def INT's	9	8
Kick Return Ave	27.5	17.5	North Park 1 return TD
Punt Return Ave	8.4	5.8
Punting	34.5	32.2	Wheaton 13 punts, North Park 25
Turnover Margin	+0.60	+0.80
Off Rush YPG	160.8	269.6
Off Yards Per Carry	4.3	4.8
Off Rush TD's	10	8
Def Rush YPG	112.2	164.8
Def Yards Per Carry	3.6	5.1
Def Rush TD's Allowed	5	10
Total Offense	469.6	309.8
Total Defense	326.0	408.6
Sacks By	9	7
Sacks Allowed	10	4	Wheaton: 192 pass attempts, North Park: 33
1st Downs	126	81
1st Downs Allowed	94	97
Penalty YPG	80.0	52.0
Red Zone Offense	80.6	91.7	Wheaton 16 TDs, 9 FG's : North Park 6 TDs, 5 FG's
Red Zone Defense	62.5	75.0
Off 3rd Down Conv %	47.2	23.2
Opp 3rd Down Conv %	31.7	51.6
Field Goals	11 of 13	6 of 8
PAT's	17 of 23	10 of 11
Time of Pos	33:39	34:25

Noteable Players:
RUSHING            Team  Cl  G   Att  Yds   Avg TD  Long Yds/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
2.  Krebs, Tyler...  NPU  SO  5   97   436   4.5  4   43  87.2
10.Hassan, Matt... NPU  JR  5    64   270   4.2  0   17  54.0


QB Comparison:
PASSING AVG/GAME   Team Cl  G Att Cmp  Int  Pct.  Yds TD Avg/G
-------------------------------------------------------------
1. Meador, Garrett    WHEA SR  5 181 117   4  64.6  1460 14 292.0
9. Krebs, Tyler...       NPU  SO  5  22   5     1  22.7  196    2  39.2


Top Receivers:
RECEPTIONS/GAME    Team Cl  G  Rec  Yds TD Long Avg/C Rec/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
1. Watkins, Teddy.   WHEA SR  5   32  410  3   59  12.8  6.40
3. Zeller, Justin.       WHEA SR  5   22  296  3   35  13.5  4.40
5. Hiben, Mark....      WHEA FR  4   17  246  3   28  14.5  4.25
   

RECEIVE YDS/GAME   Team Cl  G  Rec  Yds TD Long  Avg/C Yds/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
1. Watkins, Teddy.   WHEA SR  5   32  410  3   59    12.8  82.0
5. Hiben, Mark....      WHEA FR  4   17  246  3   28   14.5  61.5
6. Zeller, Justin.       WHEA SR  5   22  296  3   35    13.5  59.2


INTERCEPTIONS      Team  Cl  G   Int  Yds TD Long Int/G
-----------------------------------------------------
1. Dacanay, Darius  NPU  SO  4    3   16    0   10  0.75
2. Langs, Jordan..  WHEA SR  5    3   51    0   34  0.60
5. McMullen, Brian  WHEA SR  5    2    0    0    0  0.40
    Saltzman, Andy.   NPU  JR   5    2    0    0    0  0.40
10.Vargyas, Tony.. WHEA SO  4    1   46  0   46  0.25


TACKLES (All positions)
Player                     Team Cl  G Pos  Solo Ast Total Avg/G Sack
-----------------------------------------------------------
7. Saltzman, Andy.   NPU  JR  5 DB    17  14    31     6.2  0.0
14.Alphichi, Keith     NPU  SR  4 LB     6  16     22     5.5  1.0
20.Leibforth, Kyle     NPU  FR  5         9  17     26     5.2  0.5
    Smagala, Casey.   NPU  SR  5 LB    16  10    26     5.2  1.0
    Porter, Cicero.      NPU  JR  5 LB    13  13    26     5.2  0.0
25.Dennis, Canmu..   NPU  JR  5 LB    12  13    25     5.0  0.0
26.Chapman, Jordan WHEA SR 5       14  10     24     4.8  0.0
36.Flihan, Fred...      NPU  SR  5 DE   11  11    22     4.4  0.5
42.Langs, Jordan..   WHEA SR 5        18   3     21     4.2  0.0
48.East, JD.......     WHEA SR  5 DE   13   6     19     3.8  2.0
    Sawyer, Willie.      NPU  FR  5        14   5    19     3.8  0.0


SACKS                   Team  Cl  G Pos Solo Ast  Yds Total Avg/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
2. Ramsay, Robert. WHEA SR  5 DE     2   2     26   3.0  0.60
    Fry, Deandre...     NPU  FR  5 LB     2   2     22   3.0  0.60


TACKLES FOR LOSS   Team  Cl  G Pos  Solo Ast  Yds Total Avg/G
-----------------------------------------------------------
4. Ramsay, Robert.   WHEA SR  5 DE     4   3   32   5.5  1.10
7. Jacobson, Richa   WHEA SR  5 LB      5   0   17   5.0  1.00


PASSES DEFENDED    Team  Cl  G Brup  Int Total Avg/G
---------------------------------------------------
2. Dacanay, Darius    NPU  SO  4    2    3     5   1.25
3. Langs, Jordan..    WHEA SR  5    3    3     6   1.20
4. Porter, Cicero.       NPU  JR  5    4    1     5   1.00
7. Saltzman, Andy.    NPU  JR   5    2    2     4   0.80

[AndOne]

You are not permitted to redshirt in Division III. Redshirting is the practice of having a player attend and participate in practices but not play in any games, preserving a year of eligibility. Medical redshirting (also known as a medical hardship season) is still permitted at the Division III level. The general guideline is that you must have played one-third of the scheduled games or fewer in order to be eligible. If you suffer a season-ending injury in that time-frame and can document it, your conference (or athletic director, if an independent) can file paperwork with the NCAA on your behalf to restore a season of eligibility. So-called "routine" redshirting is still permitted at other levels and those redshirts are recognized by Division III in general, although some conferences may not recognize them. (You will want to confirm with your school's compliance officer if you are transferring in.) That is, if you redshirted outside of Division III and then transferred to a D-III school, you would not be forced to give up that year of eligibility. (To redshirt in this manner you may not appear in any games whatsoever.) And of course, anyone who had a routine redshirt year at a Division III school before Aug. 1, 2004, has that redshirt grandfathered in.

Bash--

I was merely pointing out the fact that Pat had already provided the readily available answer in his FAQ segment. I copied his entire statement in order to include a little background info and further explanation of the rule
Why in the world would you have a problem with that?

Of course, if one would review your last few posts (copied below). they would quickly recognize that this one is on par with your usual level of intelligence.

Messages - BashDad
Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 46
1
North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: Yesterday at 11:15:30 pm »
Quote from: AndOne on Yesterday at 02:38:33 pm
You are not permitted to redshirt in Division III. Redshirting is the practice of having a player attend and participate in practices but not play in any games, preserving a year of eligibility. Medical redshirting (also known as a medical hardship season) is still permitted at the Division III level. The general guideline is that you must have played one-third of the scheduled games or fewer in order to be eligible. If you suffer a season-ending injury in that time-frame and can document it, your conference (or athletic director, if an independent) can file paperwork with the NCAA on your behalf to restore a season of eligibility. So-called "routine" redshirting is still permitted at other levels and those redshirts are recognized by Division III in general, although some conferences may not recognize them. (You will want to confirm with your school's compliance officer if you are transferring in.) That is, if you redshirted outside of Division III and then transferred to a D-III school, you would not be forced to give up that year of eligibility. (To redshirt in this manner you may not appear in any games whatsoever.) And of course, anyone who had a routine redshirt year at a Division III school before Aug. 1, 2004, has that redshirt grandfathered in.

Ro-Bot. Voice.

2
North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: Yesterday at 11:06:08 pm »
Quote from: FightinScot on Yesterday at 09:51:02 pm
What truly stumps me is how you are so unimpressed with Flagg. He's a homerun threat every time he touches the ball.

Heavens to Betsy.

Flagg ran for 4 yards against Denison. He hasn't had a single rush over 15 yards all season. He has three touchdowns (of 2, 4, and 1 yards) on 96 touches. He has---

Wait... Wait, stop. Hold on. What were we..? What was I...? I'm so bored. I--can't--fin--

3
General football / Re: D3 Top 25 Fan Poll
« on: Yesterday at 10:31:20 am »
Triple sigh.

4
North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: October 09, 2011, 03:09:38 pm »
Quote from: bashbrother on October 09, 2011, 02:30:55 pm
...and 60% 4th down effic. (3 of 6) for the Hawks...

Uh-oh.

[Kovo]

If you read the rule it noted it was effective the fall of 1992.

I think it's fair to limit the number of contests in this way. In high school they often do this by number of quarters but those things are not really tracked at the college level. The point of the rule is games are games are games, whether at the varsity level or otherwise.

Thanks Pat.  I don't diasgree.  Things are much different for the kids than back in my day.  And, quite frankly I think that it is a much more difficult transition for the  kids from high school football to D3 today than 25-30 years ago with the level of competition, school requirements and even travel that my generation didn't have.

[Kovo]

Given two stinging defeats like that, it could be very easy for team morale to permanently go south, which is usually what happens to NPU right about at this point in the season. And next week's not gonna get any easier, what with Wheaton coming to town. The Vikings just have to hang with it and stay positive. That's gonna be difficult, but perseverance is what it's all about when you're at the bottom and you're trying to claw your way up to the next rung on the ladder.

For me, I hope that NPU gets at least one CCIW win this year.  The kids and coaches deserve it, and it is good for the conference.

[titanOL]

Andone/d3fan

thanks for the info guys, i was not too sure where to find the info so i figured the boards were as good a place as any.

[Mugsy]

For me, I hope that NPU gets at least one CCIW win this year.  The kids and coaches deserve it, and it is good for the conference.

Just not this week... 

[bluejay4ever]

Go Thunder good points.  Do you agree this would fall under "coaching" and good coach or lack there of?

Jaybird: I disagree with you on the lack there of on the coaching stand point on the Elmhurst Defense. There are different types of blitzes. There are dog blitzes (just like the bears run) which just add a LB to down men to create one on one match ups. Those typically are more evident (urlacher and briggs standing in the A gaps). The problem is if you do more all out blitzes or zone blitzes the big WR from Wheaton can get to a zone quickly and with their size get open easily. Even if a blitz hits home Wheaton is smart enough to recognize those schemes and take advantage. It is also hard to take too many people out of coverage against their speed. EC defensive coordinator has many disguised blitzes at his dispossal that have been eveident against other opponents. You have to remember that blitzes are a game plan approach and against every opponent and you can not break out the tecmo bowl punt block all the time. The fact is kids have to win one on one match ups. If you have to blits to create pressue your secondary will get burned. Especially against strong offenses. The players themselves have to execute the game plans. Defensive lineman have to win at the point of attack or all the blitzing in the world will not work.

[79jaybird]

Bluejay4ever-  I played DE at Elmhurst and know about both Coach Krohn's and the current EC defense. You make some good points and are correct about the schemes.  What I have noticed over the years is Elmhurst gets beat in the second half (look at some of the Augie games recently at Langhorst too) because of adjustments or lack there of.  They have been outfoxed by several coaches (i.e. Eash, Barnes, Swider and Thorne annually) and while the players might have executed the scheme correctly,  the mastermind(s) behind the call have been off.

I agree with you that the players have to execute and win the 1 on 1 battle.  That is for any team to be successful.  What I would disagree and point out is that if Elmhurst starts to lose the 1 on 1 battles, then you need to make the proper adjustments which I have not been seeing from this regime lately.

[bluejay4ever]

Bluejay4ever-  I played DE at Elmhurst and know about both Coach Krohn's and the current EC defense. You make some good points and are correct about the schemes.  What I have noticed over the years is Elmhurst gets beat in the second half (look at some of the Augie games recently at Langhorst too) because of adjustments or lack there of.  They have been outfoxed by several coaches (i.e. Eash, Barnes, Swider and Thorne annually) and while the players might have executed the scheme correctly,  the mastermind(s) behind the call have been off.

I agree with you that the players have to execute and win the 1 on 1 battle.  That is for any team to be successful.  What I would disagree and point out is that if Elmhurst starts to lose the 1 on 1 battles, then you need to make the proper adjustments which I have not been seeing from this regime lately.

I just do not agree with you on these points. The current staff is starting to get the athletes they need to perform their scheme. Halftime adjustments are made on every team. I would put our coaches up against anyone in the conference or the nation for that matter. Most of the full time guys have D1 coaching experience or playing experience. They know what they are doing.

I know you have some sour grapes towards the programs as pointed out in previous posts but I feel you just look at teams that have better records or have had recent success against Elmhurst and you think that automatically means they are better coaches. I am not discounting the talents of the other coaches so I want to make that clear here. That is why the CCIW is one of the best conferences in the nation.

Don't forget where we have come from. We were annually a door stop in this conference and now on the verge of becoming an elite team. The talent is at an entirely different level then a decade ago and the wins and the talent are a direct reflection of the talent that is on the staff.

[New Tradition]

Bluejay4ever-  I played DE at Elmhurst and know about both Coach Krohn's and the current EC defense. You make some good points and are correct about the schemes.  What I have noticed over the years is Elmhurst gets beat in the second half (look at some of the Augie games recently at Langhorst too) because of adjustments or lack there of.  They have been outfoxed by several coaches (i.e. Eash, Barnes, Swider and Thorne annually) and while the players might have executed the scheme correctly,  the mastermind(s) behind the call have been off.

I agree with you that the players have to execute and win the 1 on 1 battle.  That is for any team to be successful.  What I would disagree and point out is that if Elmhurst starts to lose the 1 on 1 battles, then you need to make the proper adjustments which I have not been seeing from this regime lately.

I just do not agree with you on these points. The current staff is starting to get the athletes they need to perform their scheme. Halftime adjustments are made on every team. I would put our coaches up against anyone in the conference or the nation for that matter. Most of the full time guys have D1 coaching experience or playing experience. They know what they are doing.

I know you have some sour grapes towards the programs as pointed out in previous posts but I feel you just look at teams that have better records or have had recent success against Elmhurst and you think that automatically means they are better coaches. I am not discounting the talents of the other coaches so I want to make that clear here. That is why the CCIW is one of the best conferences in the nation.

Don't forget where we have come from. We were annually a door stop in this conference and now on the verge of becoming an elite team. The talent is at an entirely different level then a decade ago and the wins and the talent are a direct reflection of the talent that is on the staff.

I'm going to come to Jaybird's defense here.  Elmhurst has certainly been on the cusp for a lot longer than you're making it seem like.  6-8 years ago they had some pretty outstanding athletes (Dom Demma, Todd Evans, Jake Allen, Eric Luna, Ward Brady, Andy Brogan) that were incredible playmakers; and that Bluejay team was far from being the "door stop" that you describe.  They battled with NCC in 2003 and it came down to a single (very controversial) play in the endzone to end the game.  That being said, Elmhurst has always fallen short against the CCIW elite.  While this Elmhurst team looked great against its non-CCIW slate and hopes were riding high, Saturday showed that the possibility exists that Elmhurst's trend will continue for yet another year.  As for Jaybird, he once sat in your position and was always saying that Elmhurst was "about to turn the corner" and on the verge of challening for a top position in the conference, but other posters were quick to call him out and point out that there was litereally zero evidence to support that claim based upon their performance against the CCIW powers.  Jaybird is simply pointing out to you what other posters have pointed out to him in the past.