FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[badgerwarhawk]

A sympathy K from this liberal, Mr Y.

[DBQ1965]

A sympathy K from this liberal, Mr Y.

There needs to be more of us.

[02 Warhawk]

The final WIAC program's roster is limited to 100 by conference rule.  WIAC programs average around 120-140 to start fall practice.  It's hard to tell though because none of them publish preseason rosters.  WW started fall practice with 136.

This is kind of confusing.  The roster limit is 100, but you can apparently practice with well over that.  Is there a deadline where you have to have trimmed it down to 100 or can you practice with as many as you want all year but can only dress 100 for games? 

136 players are trying out for the team at UWW. So that means 36 of them will be cut between now and 8/31, I believe. So by the start of the season, and going forward, UWW (and the rest of the WIAC) will have 100 players to work with.

Thanks for the clarification.  One other question...do they get to replace injured players with players that got cut on or before 8/31 or are the 100 that get picked to be on the team it for the year?

Sorry, I left one part out. Like a lot of DIII schools, UWW has a JV team...So if somone gets injured I'm sure some freshman from the JV team will take his roster spot.

Now what I'm not sure on (maybe badgerwarhawk can clarify), is if those 100 players consist of JV players or not.

The JV players are included in the 100 player roster limit.  There is no separate JV roster.  JV players are essentially roster players who don't see much, if any, action in varsity level games.  Most are players who do not make the traveling roster which is limited to 50some.   Because grayshirts, players who don't make the final roster, are not permitted to practice or be involved in team activities they don't make up any part of the JV team.  Essentially they are just students.  If a player is injured and unable to participate your roster is down to 99.  You can't add to the roster after it is submitted to the conference commissioner's office.   

IMHO I think it's a great idea.

I can guarantee that you'll never see the CCIW adopt that rule.

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Since little (if any) players are cut, just so the school can retain their tuition, does NCC have a JV football program? Just so their abundance of players can get some on-field action?

[Gregory Sager]

As far as I know, every CCIW team has a JV squad.

[02 Warhawk]

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

[robertgoulet]

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

My guess as to the main reason would be: Less players for the coaches to worry about during practice. Limited budgets in D3 mean limited number of coaches, the more kids you have to teach the harder it is for coaches to get specific work done, IMO. Much like in a classroom with students/teachers, you'd ideally have a low player/coach ratio for teaching purposes.

[ncc58]

NCC lists a 9 game "Freshman schedule on their football page. Some schools, they play twice. Some games may get cancelled during the year as well. It provides an opportunity to get players on film who don't dress or play in the Varsity game.

I hate to even mention this as it could open up an old discussion, but I once read that the WIAC instituted the 100 roster limit for football in order to meet Title IX guidelines.

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

My guess as to the main reason would be: Less players for the coaches to worry about during practice. Limited budgets in D3 mean limited number of coaches, the more kids you have to teach the harder it is for coaches to get specific work done, IMO. Much like in a classroom with students/teachers, you'd ideally have a low player/coach ratio for teaching purposes.

[ncc58]

A sympathy K from this liberal, Mr Y.

There needs to be more of us.

There's more than you think.

[02 Warhawk]

NCC lists a 9 game "Freshman schedule on their football page. Some schools, they play twice. Some games may get cancelled during the year as well. It provides an opportunity to get players on film who don't dress or play in the Varsity game.

I hate to even mention this as it could open up an old discussion, but I once read that the WIAC instituted the 100 roster limit for football in order to meet Title IX guidelines.

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

My guess as to the main reason would be: Less players for the coaches to worry about during practice. Limited budgets in D3 mean limited number of coaches, the more kids you have to teach the harder it is for coaches to get specific work done, IMO. Much like in a classroom with students/teachers, you'd ideally have a low player/coach ratio for teaching purposes.

Interesting that you brought this up, because I was wondering the same thing. So I sent the WIAC an email this morning asking why they have a roster limit.

I think my chances of getting a response is 50/50.

[NCF]

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

My guess as to the main reason would be: Less players for the coaches to worry about during practice. Limited budgets in D3 mean limited number of coaches, the more kids you have to teach the harder it is for coaches to get specific work done, IMO. Much like in a classroom with students/teachers, you'd ideally have a low player/coach ratio for teaching purposes.

I would agre with all of this and add:more kids mean either longer practice or more standing around by non-starters or 2nd/3rd teamers. More kids=more dicontent, especially on game days when they don't dress, but are expected to be at the game  eithe on the sidelines or in the stands.I guess I just think that you should have to earn a spot on a college roster, not just enroll in school and gaet a free pass. It's kind of like giving everyone a trophy or not keeping score. Ask the players and many of them would prefer smaller numbers. I think coaches do recruits a big disservice by getting them on campus when they know the kid will have a hard time getting on the field.There are travel team limits and play-off limits, it makes sense to extend them to the regular season as well. JMHO

[NCF]

A sympathy K from this liberal, Mr Y.

There needs to be more of us.

NOooooooooooooooo!:)  Peace!

[02 Warhawk]

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

My guess as to the main reason would be: Less players for the coaches to worry about during practice. Limited budgets in D3 mean limited number of coaches, the more kids you have to teach the harder it is for coaches to get specific work done, IMO. Much like in a classroom with students/teachers, you'd ideally have a low player/coach ratio for teaching purposes.

I would agre with all of this and add:more kids mean either longer practice or more standing around by non-starters or 2nd/3rd teamers. More kids=more dicontent, especially on game days when they don't dress, but are expected to be at the game  eithe on the sidelines or in the stands.I guess I just think that you should have to earn a spot on a college roster, not just enroll in school and gaet a free pass. It's kind of like giving everyone a trophy or not keeping score. Ask the players and many of them would prefer smaller numbers. I think coaches do recruits a big disservice by getting them on campus when they know the kid will have a hard time getting on the field.There are travel team limits and play-off limits, it makes sense to extend them to the regular season as well. JMHO

I heard people knock Coach Kehres (Mount Union) for this a couple of times. Don't know if there's any truth to it, but it's been brought up.

I remember a father of a Mount player came on these message boards awhile back. Talking crap that Kehres promissed his son the world when he was recruited, but his kid never gets dressed for Saturday games.

[Gregory Sager]

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

My guess as to the main reason would be: Less players for the coaches to worry about during practice. Limited budgets in D3 mean limited number of coaches, the more kids you have to teach the harder it is for coaches to get specific work done, IMO. Much like in a classroom with students/teachers, you'd ideally have a low player/coach ratio for teaching purposes.

I would agre with all of this and add:more kids mean either longer practice or more standing around by non-starters or 2nd/3rd teamers. More kids=more dicontent, especially on game days when they don't dress, but are expected to be at the game  eithe on the sidelines or in the stands.I guess I just think that you should have to earn a spot on a college roster, not just enroll in school and gaet a free pass. It's kind of like giving everyone a trophy or not keeping score. Ask the players and many of them would prefer smaller numbers. I think coaches do recruits a big disservice by getting them on campus when they know the kid will have a hard time getting on the field.There are travel team limits and play-off limits, it makes sense to extend them to the regular season as well. JMHO

Tell it to the presidents and directors/trustees who need to ensure that their schools are covering their budgets by reaching their enrollment goals. Tell it to the admissions staff whose jobs depend upon reaching those goals.

A lot of D3 schools have tuition-driven budgets. Not everybody has an endowment nestegg of two or three billion dollars off of which they can draw year after year.

The college is the dog. Football is the tail. The tail doesn't wag the dog, NCF; it's the other way around.

[02 Warhawk]

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

My guess as to the main reason would be: Less players for the coaches to worry about during practice. Limited budgets in D3 mean limited number of coaches, the more kids you have to teach the harder it is for coaches to get specific work done, IMO. Much like in a classroom with students/teachers, you'd ideally have a low player/coach ratio for teaching purposes.

I would agre with all of this and add:more kids mean either longer practice or more standing around by non-starters or 2nd/3rd teamers. More kids=more dicontent, especially on game days when they don't dress, but are expected to be at the game  eithe on the sidelines or in the stands.I guess I just think that you should have to earn a spot on a college roster, not just enroll in school and gaet a free pass. It's kind of like giving everyone a trophy or not keeping score. Ask the players and many of them would prefer smaller numbers. I think coaches do recruits a big disservice by getting them on campus when they know the kid will have a hard time getting on the field.There are travel team limits and play-off limits, it makes sense to extend them to the regular season as well. JMHO

Tell it to the presidents and directors/trustees who need to ensure that their schools are covering their budgets by reaching their enrollment goals. Tell it to the admissions staff whose jobs depend upon reaching those goals.

A lot of D3 schools have tuition-driven budgets. Not everybody has an endowment nestegg of two or three billion dollars off of which they can draw year after year.

The college is the dog. Football is the tail. The tail doesn't wag the dog, NCF; it's the other way around.

Unless you're a DI school where some football programs seem to have power over the administration.

[NCF]

They need the bodies to pay tuition, however, I still think it does make sense to have some type of roster limit.

Why is that?? More motivation to play hard to make the team, possibly?

My guess as to the main reason would be: Less players for the coaches to worry about during practice. Limited budgets in D3 mean limited number of coaches, the more kids you have to teach the harder it is for coaches to get specific work done, IMO. Much like in a classroom with students/teachers, you'd ideally have a low player/coach ratio for teaching purposes.

I would agre with all of this and add:more kids mean either longer practice or more standing around by non-starters or 2nd/3rd teamers. More kids=more dicontent, especially on game days when they don't dress, but are expected to be at the game  eithe on the sidelines or in the stands.I guess I just think that you should have to earn a spot on a college roster, not just enroll in school and gaet a free pass. It's kind of like giving everyone a trophy or not keeping score. Ask the players and many of them would prefer smaller numbers. I think coaches do recruits a big disservice by getting them on campus when they know the kid will have a hard time getting on the field.There are travel team limits and play-off limits, it makes sense to extend them to the regular season as well. JMHO

Tell it to the presidents and directors/trustees who need to ensure that their schools are covering their budgets by reaching their enrollment goals. Tell it to the admissions staff whose jobs depend upon reaching those goals.

A lot of D3 schools have tuition-driven budgets. Not everybody has an endowment nestegg of two or three billion dollars off of which they can draw year after year.

The college is the dog. Football is the tail. The tail doesn't wag the dog, NCF; it's the other way around.

Not to be disrespectful and just so i understand correctly:you're saying it's ok for coaches to say anything to get bodies?  If college presidents want tuition paying students, they need to ensure a quality product to justify said tuition. I have plenty of concerns about budgets, class offerings,etc. Colleges/universities need to cut their budgets and tighten their belts instead of allowing more and more unqualified stuents in so they can feed off the financial aid theses students provide. That explains a lot of what I've seen happen over the past three years. Do any college sports have team limits. If 100 guys showed up for bball or baseball, would they be allowed to be on the team as long as they pay tuition? If small, privates don't figure out a way to cap spending they will find their numbers dwindling no matter how many sports, clubs, activities they offer. JMHO