FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

In the immortal words of Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, NCC and their fans can only hope that UWL's win yesterday only served "to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Follow up question. Does North Central ever lose a game because they just got beat by a team that didn't get the memo that North Central isn't supposed to lose? I read a lot of reasons why NCC loses games (long road trips, fluky plays, turnovers that I guess don't get forced by a team trying to defend the Cardinals) but never ever does North Central seem to lose because somebody else was better.  I'm just trying to understand this so that I can stop being annoyed by it.

Wally---

Sure, North Central sometimes loses a game because the other team is better. Just like ALL teams that don't go undefeated do. However, an underdog team that earns a win can often be said to have been the better team that day, which does not necessarily mean they are the better team. LaCrosse was definitely the better team yesterday. They took advantage of the opportunities NCC presented them and earned the victory. However, is LaCrosse a better team than North Central? While I am certainly biased, I really don't think so. If they played each other X amount more times, I honestly think NCC would win a very high percentage of those games. However, yesterday, when it counted, LaCrosse was definitely the better team. While NCC played like chumps, UNL played like champs, and deservedly earned the victory. JMHO 

Just wondering--What was the basis of your question? Just trying to understand where you are coming from. Thanks

He may be having flashbacks to a last December discussion on the North Region Fan Poll thread.  I kept NCC ahead of Wabash on the final ballot; he (and others) took great umbrage that I would do that with CLEAR h-to-h evidence to the contrary.  I responded that a 1-point win on one's own field is not CLEAR evidence, and that I honestly felt that NCC (except for a brain fart by the coaches in the second half that brought essentially zero blitzes against their qb), NCC was still a tad better.

Wally, imho, whenever NCC loses to IWU, they were losing to the better team!   (Though, if forced into it, I'll admit that in 2009, both NCC and Wheaton at full strength were almost certainly better than IWU - injuries are a bitch!)

[NCF]

In 09 there were three Huge injuries that hurt NC and then they lost Fanthorpe in the IWU game. Without those four guys NC was not at their best.  And I agree with you that a  one point win doesn't always mean you're the better team. Last year as well  as last night are history. Time to right the ship and sail on!

[NCF]

Mr. Y-have you had political board shut down withdrawal yet?

[bluejay4ever]

Loved the article on the undersized RB.

Where did Williams' brother land?

His brother Josh ended up at UWW's camp.

Actually - CCIW fans will likely see quite a bit of both Williams brothers this year...Go Jays.

Something tells me you have insider information.

Really? Did he transfer back into EC? That would be a huge Coup for the Jays and I hope that is what you are eluding too. Being that I played at AT and am still close to the staff there I went to the last two years DGS vs AT games and I will say I think the younger Williams has even more potential than the older brother. Not too take anything away from Scottie. He is a future Bluejay HOFer.

That being said a great win for EC against a softer opponent but all things point to this week with the recently added Trine game added to the non-conference schedule. A team that made 3 consecutive post season appearances from 2008 to 2010. Looking forward to seeing what EC can do.

I find it amusing that everyone is falling off a cliff right now on NC's loss. Didn't they lose the opener last year or the year prior and they were fine? They are still the favorite in the CCIW

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr. Y-have you had political board shut down withdrawal yet?

Actually, in some ways yes.

But since I had quit the board several times, then gotten sucked back in, I am more grateful to Pat for saving me from myself!

[USee]

New top 25 is out.  5 CCIW teams receiving votes.

[NCF]

Mr. Y-have you had political board shut down withdrawal yet?

Actually, in some ways yes.

But since I had quit the board several times, then gotten sucked back in, I am more grateful to Pat for saving me from myself!

I have to admit to being sucked into reading it daily. It was always a great read thanks to you and JT (and everyone else brave enough to post there regularly)

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr. Y-have you had political board shut down withdrawal yet?

Actually, in some ways yes.

But since I had quit the board several times, then gotten sucked back in, I am more grateful to Pat for saving me from myself!

I have to admit to being sucked into reading it daily. It was always a great read thanks to you and JT (and everyone else brave enough to post there regularly)

No way to check anymore, of course (and Pat, feel free to correct my estimates ), but I think it was 70% JT, 12% me, 4% Bulk, and 14% everyone else put together!

I confess to a tinge of schadenfreude when Pat made it crystal clear to regular readers that JT killed the site.

(At least just banning JT to see what might happen with the site ...?  It showed promise the first few months.)

[emma17]

Loved the article on the undersized RB.

Where did Williams' brother land?

His brother Josh ended up at UWW's camp.

Actually - CCIW fans will likely see quite a bit of both Williams brothers this year...Go Jays.

Something tells me you have insider information.

Really? Did he transfer back into EC? That would be a huge Coup for the Jays and I hope that is what you are eluding too. Being that I played at AT and am still close to the staff there I went to the last two years DGS vs AT games and I will say I think the younger Williams has even more potential than the older brother. Not too take anything away from Scottie. He is a future Bluejay HOFer.
That being said a great win for EC against a softer opponent but all things point to this week with the recently added Trine game added to the non-conference schedule. A team that made 3 consecutive post season appearances from 2008 to 2010. Looking forward to seeing what EC can do.

I find it amusing that everyone is falling off a cliff right now on NC's loss. Didn't they lose the opener last year or the year prior and they were fine? They are still the favorite in the CCIW

I don't know where he is now, but it's not on UWW's roster.

[NCF]

Loved the article on the undersized RB.

Where did Williams' brother land?

His brother Josh ended up at UWW's camp.

Actually - CCIW fans will likely see quite a bit of both Williams brothers this year...Go Jays.

Something tells me you have insider information.

Really? Did he transfer back into EC? That would be a huge Coup for the Jays and I hope that is what you are eluding too. Being that I played at AT and am still close to the staff there I went to the last two years DGS vs AT games and I will say I think the younger Williams has even more potential than the older brother. Not too take anything away from Scottie. He is a future Bluejay HOFer.
That being said a great win for EC against a softer opponent but all things point to this week with the recently added Trine game added to the non-conference schedule. A team that made 3 consecutive post season appearances from 2008 to 2010. Looking forward to seeing what EC can do.

I find it amusing that everyone is falling off a cliff right now on NC’s loss. Didn’t they lose the opener last year or the year prior and they were fine? They are still the favorite in the CCIW

I don't know where he is now, but it's not on UWW's roster.

That is very odd as the UWW newpaper just featured him in an aricle just before the first game. Why would he leave so soon? Strange.

[wally_wabash]

Differences in polling philosophies aside, what grinds my gears here is that you won't give any credit to a team that beats North Central.  It's like you think North Central is playing against tackling dummies and if they lose you treat it like they had a bad practice or something.  That other team has good players and good coaches and they are trying their damnedest to cause fumbles, intercept passes, score touchdowns of their own, and ultimately win a football game.  They aren't necessarily there to follow the script that NCC wrote during their morning walkthrough.  It wouldn't kill you guys to give somebody else some credit once in a while.  Hell,  you're still using injury as an excuse for a game in 2009!  It's ok to acknowledge that somebody else was better, even if it was just one day. 

[Titan Q]

Differences in polling philosophies aside, what grinds my gears here is that you won't give any credit to a team that beats North Central.  It's like you think North Central is playing against tackling dummies and if they lose you treat it like they had a bad practice or something.  That other team has good players and good coaches and they are trying their damnedest to cause fumbles, intercept passes, score touchdowns of their own, and ultimately win a football game.  They aren't necessarily there to follow the script that NCC wrote during their morning walkthrough.  It wouldn't kill you guys to give somebody else some credit once in a while.  Hell,  you're still using injury as an excuse for a game in 2009!  It's ok to acknowledge that somebody else was better, even if it was just one day.

I'm not sure who "you guys" are (I assume it's meant to include everyone who posts on the CCIW board), but I just went back and read the first few posts immediately after NCC's loss to Wabash...

That QB from Wabash has ice water in his veins and a giant set of onions

Wow, a huge tip of the cap to the Wabash Little Giants.  That is one of the most impressive college football comebacks I've ever seen. 

That backup Wabash QB got hit hard several times in the game, and his team was getting pounded in the 3rd Q, but he never gave up.  Boy did he make some huge plays in the 4th Q to lead his team to victory.  I was just really impressed by his performance - I'd call it "gutty."

If you would have told me late in the 3rd Q that NCC would lose this game, I just couldn't have fathomed how that would be possible.  Wow.

Wabash should erect a statue of Tyler Burke at their fieldhouse. That kid played about as "gutty" a game as I have ever seen. He got absolutely abused and continued to make play after play. I agree with Q, I thought it was about as over as you could imagine. Tassio's fumble out of the wildcat was the window the LG's needed. That win is the stuff of legends. The 4th and 17? are you kidding me? The tipped 2pt conversion. Wow. Huge game.

Wabash's qb got hit a lot and sacked 3x. But I thought the Wabash OLine did a great job giving Burke time to throw the ball. That was a huge difference in the game in the 2nd half as NCC does not blitz and counts on their Dline to get pressure. If you give a qb time against zone, receivers will come open and that's what happened. Burke also really hurt NCC with his legs a number of times running the ball. That will be a long bus ride back from Crawfordsville.

I'm sure there were plenty of posts about NCC giving that one away but I think you may be painting with too broad of a brush here.

[wally_wabash]

"You guys" are the North Central guys, not the CCIW guys in general. Should have been specific there. AndOne gave a little credit to UW-L, albeit somewhat backhanded, down below but that's all I've seen.  Apologies to the IWU and Wheaton types that are always reasonable with their analysis. 

[USee]

I agree with Q, Wally. The first thing is, I wouldn't expect much from the opposing side's board except analysis of that team's performance. I think it's a bit of an unwritten rule that you talk about the team who's board you are on at the time. I also think you have a mix of posters and our board is fairly concentrated, and probably not as analytically diverse as the NCAC board. Most posters are emotionally aligned with their team and their posts will reflect that allegiance. There aren't many who can analyze a game irrespective of their rooting interests and they come on here to vent about their team. Some have the view this board is like a newspaper where you should be diplomatic and appropriate to both sides, not giving in to your rooting interest. Other's clearly think this board is like the locker room where you can yell at your teammates and fellow fans, not guarding your emotions. To each his own.