FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[vikes35]

Pat,

Thank you for the info. I was just curious about Lakeland, really didn't think it was going to escalate into what it did. I will take the advice and stay away from that board, it seems like the best route. I will also remember the button to alert the moderator.

[usee]

on the augie/muc game-i would love for the cciw to win and augie to control. i just don't see it happening. i actually don't think this augie team is as good as the 1999 or 2001 teams that went to alliance. i would take mack hay, smullbach and co. over this zieferet/roe team all day. i also think the 1999 defense was better. wheaton held augie to 200 yds this year (80 on the 1st drive). elmhurst scored 42 at augie. you may think these games are anomolies but i fear they are chinks in the armor. while i would love to see an augie grind it out win saturday, i think muc is going to win fairly easily.

i hope i'm wrong.

[augiedogie]

Usee:
You keep bringing up the fact that Wheaton held Augie to 200 yard of offense in that game, but I still believe if Augie wasn't up 21 pts they would have ran their offense differently and would have been able to get more yards. In the 2nd half of the game, Augie did not run the ball out of bounds once! They were running into the middle of the line, holding onto the ball with two hands, an playing conservative football the rest of the way.  As for the Elmhurst game, I can't comment on it because it was one of the games I didn't see, but that was really the only breakdown that Augie had all year defensivly.  Sure they can be chinks in the armor, but the armor has had time to be rebuilt, and anything can happen in the playoffs. I don't remember the 99 team as well, but I would take Roe over Wendall anyday.

[raiderpa]

Wind is whipping today in Northeastern Ohio.

Augies and fans, have a safe trip to Alliance. Should be a great game.I have never seen the Augies play anything but well.

My key to game is Mount QB..he does have great stats, but can be inconsistent (Cap and Northern)..He is not "playoff tested", however the running game has awakened and should take some pressure off.
It will be interesting to see how he comes out in the first couple series.  As far as the "in the trenches" battle, and talent on the Augie O-line and Mount D-line, it should be outstanding.  I think Mount's success here is due to the unusual to D3 quickness..they are really quick...Also, not much has been mentioned about the Mount LB's.  They are very strong against the run, and also can fly..

I don't know a thing about Ausie this year, just thought I would give you a bit about Mount, and one man's opinion.

I would agree with a previous poster that Mount, most likely, has a better chance of catching up if they fall behind.  Not that the Vikings can't score, they just take a bit longer to drive the field while they beat you up...For the travelling folks..safe journey

[raiderpa]

ps..
Weather Saturday in Alliance is predicted 35-40 degrees with snow showers...

[usee]

augie had less than 50 yds of offense in the second half v wheaton. they were throwing the ball in the 4th quarter.

given the history of this game I don't think before about halfway through the 4th quarter  v wheaton barnes was thinking--run it into the line and dive on the ground.  in fact they were running the option, pitching to the back and he was stuffed in the backfield. you think the offensive line was thinking "hold onto the ball, let them in and we walk w a win"

that's ridiculous

[vikes35]

USee,

The Elmhurst game had to do with one thing and one thing only, POOR TACKLING. They were around the ball with 4 or 5 guys on almost every play they just didn't tackle worth a dime. I am sure Jaybird will agree that the pursuit to the ball for the most part was good, it was just a case of arm tackles and not wrapping up. It showed temporary chinks in the armor but after watching the last 2 games I think that has gotten fixed.

As for the Wheaton game and being that I have made it to 7 out of 10 games (traveling is a problem when you are a college student and you have things to do), I have never seen the Vikings run so conservatively in my 4 years as a student there. It was a case of the offense using the D to keep the game out of reach and making sure they didn't give any short fields to the Thunder. They were running their set and regular plays they were just not taking as many risks on shifts and cuts. The Wheaton D played great and I mean no disrespect to them, I just think that Augie was running the offense (not the play calling) more conservative. I understand the point you make and I believe it is valid, but I also think Barnes really wanted that win, no matter how he was going to get it (5 years is a long time, how many teams can boast a 5 game win streak against Augie).

[usee]

vikes35-that is the most ridiculous assessment i have ever read. this game was far from over at the end of the 3rd quarter. are you saying the running backs were making conservative "cuts and shifts" if barnes was playing it so conservative why was he throwing the ball in the 4th quarter w a qb who can't throw?

all of this is off point anyway. my only assessment, and i actually think i have seen a lot more augie football than you over time, is that this augie team is good, but not great. they have a chance to prove me wrong and i hope they do. i am just saying i would take the 99 team over this one going into alliance this weekend.

[augiedogie]

Augie threw 1 pass in the Wheaton game on 2nd and 15 to start the 4th quarter and then picked up the 1st down after the incomplete pass with a Roe keeper on 3rd down.  So I wouldn't exactly say they were throwing the ball, but I havn't seen as many games as you have so I might not know what I'm talking about.

[Pat Coleman]

They threw like three passes against Catholic the game I saw Augustana.

Of course, Catholic was 3-7 this year -- Augie didn't need to throw any passes if it didn't want to.

[augiefan]

Augie passes only out of desperation. If they fall two scores behund Mt. Union this Saturday, it will be desperation time.

Once again a CCIW team has to travel to Mt. Union to play DIII's most powerful program in the last 10 years. If Augie wins this road game, it will be a major upset. Miserable weather could be a help, as that might play to Augie's strengths as it did in the NCC game, but the forecast makes it looks like the weather will be mild by Saturday (at least by November standards).

Go Augie !!

[mtfan]

Happy Thanksgving Augie faithful, best wishes for a safe trip and for a great game on saturday!

[usee]

 Happy Thanksgiving to all the CCIW fans, teams, and posters.

good luck augie.

[vikes35]

Usee,

You can call it a ridiculous assessment but it is what I was told on Tuesday by one of the players in a class so I am relaying what I was told, not what I think. They were holding on to the ball and making sure they didn't make the game closer by allowing short fields to Wheaton. The pass in the 4th I think was just to change it up, but it wasn't thrown because they were worried about the lead or even because they needed to.

I can't say anything about Augie teams from the past, to that I concede you know more, but as for this years Augie team I can say that in every game they got a 20 point lead in, they seemed complacent to hold the ball and play more conservatively. That is what I saw, and by the way the Wheaton offense was playing, I believe that Augie was sure that 21 pts at the end of the 3rd was a safe lead. I agree that this team isn't great but that they are good and that the Wheaton team played it gaps very well in that game, I am just saying that from what one player told me, they were not exactly running the offense at full power. Whether I agree they should have or not is a different story, I think they should have given more effort if it was there, the point I was trying to make was that a player told me that they ran the O with less intensity than what would normally be expected.

Have a wonderful Turkey Day to all on the board, and lets hope Augie can get it done on Saturday and pull off the upset.

[augievike93]

Augie passes only out of desperation.

Not necessarily so.  The interesting thing about Augie and their constant run, run, run is that when they throw the ball, they really catch their opponant off guard.  That can be an effective suprise.  If you take a look at Augie playoff history or really just the history since Bob Reade took over the program to present day, then you will see that there is an awful strong percentage of TDs/pass completions.  Even greater is the ration of pass completions to first downs.