FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[USee]

I could tell Wartburg was pretty good looking at their stats and results but I didn't think they would be that good.  That's not the same Wartburg team that barely beat Luther and got handled by Bethel.  They will give Bethel a game I would suspect. IWU was quite unprepared for that.  The turnovers are the biggest reason it got out of hand. Congrats to the Knights. 

[Pat Coleman]

CONGRATS TO NORTH CENTRAL QB SPENCER STANEK WHO HAS BEEN NAMED A 2013 ALL-AMERICAN BY THE AMERICAN FOOTBALL COACHES ASSOCIATION. 

http://napervillesun.suntimes.com/sports/fbl_ncc-NAP-11222013:article

I was unable to find the entire team list anywhere.

The AFCA All-American team is not released until mid-December.

[Stagg Again!!]

I could tell Wartburg was pretty good looking at their stats and results but I didn't think they would be that good.  That's not the same Wartburg team that barely beat Luther and got handled by Bethel.  They will give Bethel a game I would suspect. IWU was quite unprepared for that.  The turnovers are the biggest reason it got out of hand. Congrats to the Knights.

Just looked at the stats from the IWU game to see what happened.  5 fumbles (3 lost) and 4 interceptions!!!  You aren't going to win many games with seven turnovers.

[hazzben]

CONGRATS TO NORTH CENTRAL QB SPENCER STANEK WHO HAS BEEN NAMED A 2013 ALL-AMERICAN BY THE AMERICAN FOOTBALL COACHES ASSOCIATION. 

http://napervillesun.suntimes.com/sports/fbl_ncc-NAP-11222013:article

I was unable to find the entire team list anywhere.

The AFCA All-American team is not released until mid-December.

I was wondering about this. I was going to protest if AFCA put out its AA team this early. Especially when some conferences haven't even announced their all conference teams yet.

[Pat Coleman]

Well, they may well have told the coaches, but it's not for release until December so while I assume the news is correct, it's leaked significantly earlier than it's supposed to be.

[hazzben]

Well, they may well have told the coaches, but it's not for release until December so while I assume the news is correct, it's leaked significantly earlier than it's supposed to be.

Then I will protest. In DIII there is absolutely zero reason to vote on a team like this before you get deep into the playoffs. There is much learned about the stats that go into these honors once we get to the post-season. Teams and players rack up stats against weak teams while other teams and players may not against tougher comp. You see things you thought you knew confirmed in the playoffs and at times exposed.

I'm not taking issue with Stanek in particular here. But there are a lot of very good QB's playing right now with very similar numbers. It seems responsible to wait and watch how these guys step up in the biggest games of the year before you dole out the awards. Same for all the other positions.

[AndOne]

Well, they may well have told the coaches, but it's not for release until December so while I assume the news is correct, it's leaked significantly earlier than it's supposed to be.

Then I will protest. In DIII there is absolutely zero reason to vote on a team like this before you get deep into the playoffs. There is much learned about the stats that go into these honors once we get to the post-season. Teams and players rack up stats against weak teams while other teams and players may not against tougher comp. You see things you thought you knew confirmed in the playoffs and at times exposed.

I'm not taking issue with Stanek in particular here. But there are a lot of very good QB's playing right now with very similar numbers. It seems responsible to wait and watch how these guys step up in the biggest games of the year before you dole out the awards. Same for all the other positions.

Well, if the info wasn't meant for publication until Dec, it looks like the Sun Times came up with a very nice undercover scoup.
And, as far as taking issue with Spencer Stanek, it would be asinine to do so as he had nothing to do with the leaking/reporting of the story. He is the object of the story, not the source of it.
As far as there being a lot of QBs still playing with numbers as good as Stanek--really? There are really a lot of QBs playing that lead the nation in passing efficiency and have 32 TD passes and only ONE INT?  Honest?

[Gregory Sager]

Well, they may well have told the coaches, but it's not for release until December so while I assume the news is correct, it's leaked significantly earlier than it's supposed to be.

Then I will protest. In DIII there is absolutely zero reason to vote on a team like this before you get deep into the playoffs. There is much learned about the stats that go into these honors once we get to the post-season. Teams and players rack up stats against weak teams while other teams and players may not against tougher comp. You see things you thought you knew confirmed in the playoffs and at times exposed.

I'm not taking issue with Stanek in particular here. But there are a lot of very good QB's playing right now with very similar numbers. It seems responsible to wait and watch how these guys step up in the biggest games of the year before you dole out the awards. Same for all the other positions.

Well, if the info wasn't meant for publication until Dec, it looks like the Sun Times came up with a very nice undercover scoup.
And, as far as taking issue with Spencer Stanek, it would be asinine to do so as he had nothing to do with the leaking/reporting of the story. He is the object of the story, not the source of it.
As far as there being a lot of QBs still playing with numbers as good as Stanek--really? There are really a lot of QBs playing that lead the nation in passing efficiency and have 32 TD passes and only ONE INT?  Honest?

He clearly didn't mean "taking issue with Spencer Stanek" in the sense of actually taking issue with the person Spencer Stanek. So why even bother shooting down that interpretation?

[kiko]

Well, they may well have told the coaches, but it's not for release until December so while I assume the news is correct, it's leaked significantly earlier than it's supposed to be.

Then I will protest. In DIII there is absolutely zero reason to vote on a team like this before you get deep into the playoffs. There is much learned about the stats that go into these honors once we get to the post-season. Teams and players rack up stats against weak teams while other teams and players may not against tougher comp. You see things you thought you knew confirmed in the playoffs and at times exposed.

I'm not taking issue with Stanek in particular here. But there are a lot of very good QB's playing right now with very similar numbers. It seems responsible to wait and watch how these guys step up in the biggest games of the year before you dole out the awards. Same for all the other positions.

Well, if the info wasn't meant for publication until Dec, it looks like the Sun Times came up with a very nice undercover scoup.
And, as far as taking issue with Spencer Stanek, it would be asinine to do so as he had nothing to do with the leaking/reporting of the story. He is the object of the story, not the source of it.
As far as there being a lot of QBs still playing with numbers as good as Stanek--really? There are really a lot of QBs playing that lead the nation in passing efficiency and have 32 TD passes and only ONE INT?  Honest?

I have zero issue with Hazzben's perspective on this.  All-American awards should be based on the full season's body of work, and not just the regular season.  Spencer Stanek certainly deserves to be part of the conversation at year-end, but with four weeks to go -- actually five at the time this news surfaced -- it would be silly to assume someone couldn't supplant him based on their achievements over the next month.

[ncc_fan]

Stanek may well turn out to be an AFCA All-American, but I have a hard time believing that the Naperville Sun got a scoop on that story.  This longtime Naperville Sun reader thinks it's more likely they got their story wrong. 

[AndOne]

GS,

Well, if he didn't really mean anything by it, then I think the real question is why did he mention Stanek's name?
Also, Greg, there is the possibility, slight as it may be, that no everyone would interpret things the way you did. I merely wanted to make sure that anyone who may have gotten the idea that Stanek had anything to do with leaking the story had that notion quickly dispelled.
Lastly, your indignation is a little hard to understand given that you would be the first guy to come to the defense of any NPU athlete you felt was being unduly criticized for any reason.   

[AndOne]

Stanek may well turn out to be an AFCA All-American, but I have a hard time believing that the Naperville Sun got a scoop on that story.  This longtime Naperville Sun reader thinks it's more likely they got their story wrong.

Keep in mind that the small time Naperville Sun is owned by the big city CHICAGO Sun Times. They just fed the story to their subsidiaries. So, if a mistake was made its on the parent company rather than on one of the branches.

[Kovo]

GS,

Well, if he didn't really mean anything by it, then I think the real question is why did he mention Stanek's name?
Also, Greg, there is the possibility, slight as it may be, that no everyone would interpret things the way you did. I merely wanted to make sure that anyone who may have gotten the idea that Stanek had anything to do with leaking the story had that notion quickly dispelled.
Lastly, your indignation is a little hard to understand given that you would be the first guy to come to the defense of any NPU athlete you felt was being unduly criticized for any reason.   

I'm still waiting for the list of guys with "very similar numbers".  Well, who are they Hazzbean?  Don't just hit and run---give us the names and stats.  It's put up time.

[ncc_fan]

Whoa, Hazzben wasn't criticizing Stanek, he was criticizing AFCA if they did indeed pick their All-American team before the playoffs. 

[Gregory Sager]

GS,

Well, if he didn't really mean anything by it, then I think the real question is why did he mention Stanek's name?
Also, Greg, there is the possibility, slight as it may be, that no everyone would interpret things the way you did. I merely wanted to make sure that anyone who may have gotten the idea that Stanek had anything to do with leaking the story had that notion quickly dispelled.
Lastly, your indignation is a little hard to understand given that you would be the first guy to come to the defense of any NPU athlete you felt was being unduly criticized for any reason.   

Take a chill pill, Mark. You're overreacting. I'm not at all indignant in this matter, nor was anybody "unduly criticizing" Stanek at all. Hazzben was merely making the eminently reasonable suggestion that the most important games of the year should enter into the equation when an All-American is selected. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Why did he mention Stanek's name? Because Stanek was the player being discussed! I mean, c'mon, dude ... follow the thread. After all, you're the one who started it by making the initial congratulatory announcement about Stanek. Then Pat responded, then Hazzben responded, then Pat again, then Hazzben again with the post that seemed to rub you the wrong way.

And there can't be any other way to interpret what Hazzben meant when he said, "I'm not taking issue with Stanek in particular here." Context, Mark, context. The sentence that immediately followed the sentence in question (which you also bolded, by the way) makes the context neon-sign obvious: "But there are a lot of very good QB's playing right now with very similar numbers." Hazzben is clearly commenting upon Stanek's qualifications for All-American status, not upon whether or not he promoted himself by leaking a story to the press. Pat (not Hazzben) made an oblique reference to coaches getting the word early about A-A announcements and to leaks, but nobody said anything about players making leaks to the press.

Nobody could read Hazzben's sentence and think that it was about anything other than whether or not Stanek has a unique statistical claim upon A-A status among D3 QBs.