FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[hazzben]

Interesting choice for the North region 1st team QB.    I guess we will see on Saturday if Pat is right with his choice.   I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice but looking at Spencer's stats vs Burke's, while both outstanding, Stanek's numbers are better.

You can't go wrong with the North's 1st, 2nd or 3rd team's QB. #Stacked

I think all three of them are better then Kelly (1st team all West Region).

I'm sure Pat will give his two cents on your comment before the day is over. 

I thought Peterson should have gotten West 1st team. But no surprise there 

Obviously, both have guided teams to a 13-0 records.  So, we will see on Saturday for a trip to Salem and perhaps D3football's 1st team AA honors.

Maybe I'm mistaken on this, but I'm pretty sure D3football.com AA team is built off the All Region teams. Translation: Neither Peterson  or Stanek (look USee, I dropped the 'z'  ) are in the running for first team AA. Given that I'd put Burke over Kelly, Stanek might still have a shot at 2nd team. But Peterson's only hope is 3rd or HM. Bummer 

[HScoach]

Interesting choice for the North region 1st team QB.    I guess we will see on Saturday if Pat is right with his choice.   I guess we will see on Saturday if pat is right with his choice.  I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice but looking at Spencer's stats vs Burke's, while both outstanding, Stanek's numbers are better.

I'm a huge Stanek fan.  But, I agree that this is a tough one.  Burke has more TDs 43 to 41, but more Ints 6 to 1. Yards are close, and Burke has a slight edge 3351 to 3297, but Stanek has a slight edge in passing efficiency 195.6 to 192.3.  Stanek does have an edge in completion percentage 73.1% to 62.8%.


Obviously, both have guided teams to a 13-0 records.  So, we will see on Saturday for a trip to Salem and perhaps D3football's 1st team AA honors.

Stanekl's numbers are impressive.   Only number that Burke leads is rushing 904 yds/ 11 TD's versus 429 yds / 6 TD's

Hard to split hairs between two great QB's, but my guess is that D3 went with Burke because of the following:   2012 Stagg Bowl MVP 

[robertgoulet]

Ok, I admit to being completely out of touch with hip vernacular, so I'm sorry if this question was already answered in the above.   
Does NCC have any really fast, deep-threat type receivers?

Based on what I've read, it seems that Wesley was able to open up their underneath passing game at least partly due to the deep threats of Koudossou and Shade.  I know NCC has gifted receivers, I am curious if they can threaten Mt deep.

I haven't seen Wesley's WRs, so I can't really compare them, but in the ATN Podcast Pat mentioned that he thought NCC's WRs were very good but not the speed athletes that Wesley's WRs were. That said, Sorenson is a big possession WR, while I would classify O'Kane as their "speed" WR. They also have a nice TE to throw to as well. Lots of weapons, just don't know how to compare them as speed-wise to what Mt U has seen. Linked the highlights of the NCC/Wheaton game from earlier this season, as many think Wheaton had one of the better D's NCC saw all year (other than Bethel, but there are no NCC highlights available for Bethel...only Bethel highlights). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDxA-mVrHw

[USee]

Interesting choice for the North region 1st team QB.    I guess we will see on Saturday if Pat is right with his choice.   I guess we will see on Saturday if pat is right with his choice.  I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice but looking at Spencer's stats vs Burke's, while both outstanding, Stanek's numbers are better.

I'm a huge Stanek fan.  But, I agree that this is a tough one.  Burke has more TDs 43 to 41, but more Ints 6 to 1. Yards are close, and Burke has a slight edge 3351 to 3297, but Stanek has a slight edge in passing efficiency 195.6 to 192.3.  Stanek does have an edge in completion percentage 73.1% to 62.8%.


Obviously, both have guided teams to a 13-0 records.  So, we will see on Saturday for a trip to Salem and perhaps D3football's 1st team AA honors.

I think the difference between 73% and 63% is more than an "edge". That is a big gap. That said, it's hard to argue against either one of these guys. Burke has been everything for Mount this year. Stanek's numbers are decidedly superior in the passing game. Where Burke likley gets the nod is in total offense. He runs the ball and is a big part of the UMU attack. He averages 70 yds per game to Stanek's 33 ypg. So total offense is Burke with 327 ypg and Stanek with 286. That's a pretty big spread too.

[Kovo]

Interesting choice for the North region 1st team QB.    I guess we will see on Saturday if Pat is right with his choice.   I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice but looking at Spencer's stats vs Burke's, while both outstanding, Stanek's numbers are better.

You can't go wrong with the North's 1st, 2nd or 3rd team's QB. #Stacked

I think all three of them are better then Kelly (1st team all West Region).

I'm sure Pat will give his two cents on your comment before the day is over. 

I thought Peterson should have gotten West 1st team. But no surprise there 

Obviously, both have guided teams to a 13-0 records.  So, we will see on Saturday for a trip to Salem and perhaps D3football's 1st team AA honors.

Maybe I'm mistaken on this, but I'm pretty sure D3football.com AA team is built off the All Region teams. Translation: Neither Peterson  or Stanek (look USee, I dropped the 'z'  ) are in the running for first team AA. Given that I'd put Burke over Kelly, Stanek might still have a shot at 2nd team. But Peterson's only hope is 3rd or HM. Bummer 

The article attached to the list of all region teams states that any player nominated to an all region team is eligible for the AA teams, although the teams are primarily made up of players who were 1st or 2nd team all region.  Its seems that it is possible---I just don't know how likely.

[Kovo]

Interesting choice for the North region 1st team QB.    I guess we will see on Saturday if Pat is right with his choice.   I guess we will see on Saturday if pat is right with his choice.  I'm sure it wasn't an easy choice but looking at Spencer's stats vs Burke's, while both outstanding, Stanek's numbers are better.

I'm a huge Stanek fan.  But, I agree that this is a tough one.  Burke has more TDs 43 to 41, but more Ints 6 to 1. Yards are close, and Burke has a slight edge 3351 to 3297, but Stanek has a slight edge in passing efficiency 195.6 to 192.3.  Stanek does have an edge in completion percentage 73.1% to 62.8%.


Obviously, both have guided teams to a 13-0 records.  So, we will see on Saturday for a trip to Salem and perhaps D3football's 1st team AA honors.

Stanekl's numbers are impressive.   Only number that Burke leads is rushing 904 yds/ 11 TD's versus 429 yds / 6 TD's

Hard to split hairs between two great QB's, but my guess is that D3 went with Burke because of the following:   2012 Stagg Bowl MVP

Good point, I didn't look at rushing stats, which are part of the QB package.

[Pat Coleman]

Beyond the passing numbers on those guys -- thanks HSCoach for pointing out that there are rushing numbers as well.

Beyond the numbers overall, thinking of the context in which these guys played. Burke was left to scramble for most of the season behind an offensive line that had no starters returning and with an unstable running back situation. I thought he did more with the time he was given to throw.

[USee]

Pat, to be fair, he didn't do more (per the numbers). I think what you are trying to say is he overcame more given what he had.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, to be fair, he didn't do more (per the numbers). I think what you are trying to say is he overcame more given what he had.

Semantics?

[USee]

probably, but we have seen Thunder mom erupt over less. 

[Pat Coleman]

probably, but we have seen Thunder mom erupt over less. 

ThunderMom is busy being a grandma.

My point was he did more based on the amount of time he had. Picture it as total offense divided by time to throw if you need an analytical way to make it "more."

[emma17]

Ok, I admit to being completely out of touch with hip vernacular, so I'm sorry if this question was already answered in the above.   
Does NCC have any really fast, deep-threat type receivers?

Based on what I've read, it seems that Wesley was able to open up their underneath passing game at least partly due to the deep threats of Koudossou and Shade.  I know NCC has gifted receivers, I am curious if they can threaten Mt deep.

I haven't seen Wesley's WRs, so I can't really compare them, but in the ATN Podcast Pat mentioned that he thought NCC's WRs were very good but not the speed athletes that Wesley's WRs were. That said, Sorenson is a big possession WR, while I would classify O'Kane as their "speed" WR. They also have a nice TE to throw to as well. Lots of weapons, just don't know how to compare them as speed-wise to what Mt U has seen. Linked the highlights of the NCC/Wheaton game from earlier this season, as many think Wheaton had one of the better D's NCC saw all year (other than Bethel, but there are no NCC highlights available for Bethel...only Bethel highlights). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDxA-mVrHw

Good video, thanks for sharing.
The fact that the NCC D line has already played a game against an athletic QB where contain and rush lanes were critical should help. Obviously Burke will be the best NCC has faced.
Stanek is pinpoint accurate, which he will need to be vs Mt.
Does the NCC defensive front 7 have the speed to contain Mt?

[USee]

Ok, I admit to being completely out of touch with hip vernacular, so I'm sorry if this question was already answered in the above.   
Does NCC have any really fast, deep-threat type receivers?

Based on what I've read, it seems that Wesley was able to open up their underneath passing game at least partly due to the deep threats of Koudossou and Shade.  I know NCC has gifted receivers, I am curious if they can threaten Mt deep.

I haven't seen Wesley's WRs, so I can't really compare them, but in the ATN Podcast Pat mentioned that he thought NCC's WRs were very good but not the speed athletes that Wesley's WRs were. That said, Sorenson is a big possession WR, while I would classify O'Kane as their "speed" WR. They also have a nice TE to throw to as well. Lots of weapons, just don't know how to compare them as speed-wise to what Mt U has seen. Linked the highlights of the NCC/Wheaton game from earlier this season, as many think Wheaton had one of the better D's NCC saw all year (other than Bethel, but there are no NCC highlights available for Bethel...only Bethel highlights). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDxA-mVrHw

Good video, thanks for sharing.
The fact that the NCC D line has already played a game against an athletic where contain and rush lanes were critical should help. Obviously Burke will be the best NCC has faced.
Stanek is pinpoint accurate, which he will need to be vs Mt.
Does the NCC defensive front 7 have the speed to contain Mt?

That is the Stagg Bowl question in my mind. They have been plenty fast so far but the bar is significantly higher this week.

[robertgoulet]

Ok, I admit to being completely out of touch with hip vernacular, so I'm sorry if this question was already answered in the above.   
Does NCC have any really fast, deep-threat type receivers?

Based on what I've read, it seems that Wesley was able to open up their underneath passing game at least partly due to the deep threats of Koudossou and Shade.  I know NCC has gifted receivers, I am curious if they can threaten Mt deep.

I haven't seen Wesley's WRs, so I can't really compare them, but in the ATN Podcast Pat mentioned that he thought NCC's WRs were very good but not the speed athletes that Wesley's WRs were. That said, Sorenson is a big possession WR, while I would classify O'Kane as their "speed" WR. They also have a nice TE to throw to as well. Lots of weapons, just don't know how to compare them as speed-wise to what Mt U has seen. Linked the highlights of the NCC/Wheaton game from earlier this season, as many think Wheaton had one of the better D's NCC saw all year (other than Bethel, but there are no NCC highlights available for Bethel...only Bethel highlights). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHDxA-mVrHw

Good video, thanks for sharing.
The fact that the NCC D line has already played a game against an athletic where contain and rush lanes were critical should help. Obviously Burke will be the best NCC has faced.
Stanek is pinpoint accurate, which he will need to be vs Mt.
Does the NCC defensive front 7 have the speed to contain Mt?

That is the Stagg Bowl question in my mind. They have been plenty fast so far but the bar is significantly higher this week.

Indeed. I'd classify the front 7 as more of a sideline to sideline force rather than big/strong gap pluggers.

[HScoach]

Wesley's DE and LB speed is exactly why Burke and Mitchell couldn't run the ball much last week.   Numerous times Burke took off scrambling to only gain 2 or 3 yards where all 11 previous games would have been huge gains.   And it got tighter and tighter as the game wore on and Wesley got more settled in.   Ask Wittenberg about his scrambling ability.   He absolutely killed Witt with his feet.   

Same with Mitchell at TB.   First carry was 67 yard TD.   The next 27 carries 67 yards for a 2.5 average.   Wesley did a very nice job on the Mount run game and pressuring Burke.  What killed Wesley was a first quarter that went:
1.  First play of game = Mount 67 yd TD run
2.  First Wesley possession = 3 yard run followed by pass that went thru TE's hands.  INT returned to 28 yard line
3.  Next Mount play = TD pass

2 Mount plays = 2 Mount TD's.   Not a good start for Wesley

Soon to be followed by:
4.  Punt return for TD (first of the season for Mount)
5.  Another INT in deep in Wesley territory where QB was throwing it away, but didn't get it far enough out of bounds.  Actually nice job by Wesley to stop 3 plays and force FG.
6.  INT return for TD on a late throw where QB double clutched the throw.
Before the Wesley fans even realized it was cold outside, they were down 31-0.

After the first quarter, Wesley was clearly the better team.   Both on O and D.   Question is how much of that was Mount relaxing and letting Wesley get confidence versus Wesley really being the better team that unfortunately for them simply dug themselves a HUGE hole to start?   My opinion?   A little bit of both.   Looking back, if both teams play a clean 60 minutes, I would think it would have been a 1 TD game.   Probably in the 42-35 range.

I've been following Mount for 25+ years and I honestly don't know what to expect from Mount on Saturday.   I've seen them look great for a while (1st half of Heidi and JCU, 1st quarter of Wesley and 2nd half of Witt) and I've seen them look like Wilmington thru the rest of the same games, and I've seen them look "meh" for entire game (BW and W&J).   Very weird season.