FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

Emma,

If it makes you feel any better I didn't list any teams from the CCIW.

Usee
I tried to ask the question without antagonism. It would be nice if you didn't follow Pat's lead- as he is just plain wrong.
I'm not looking to stir a pot, I am interested in a conversation about conference strength. I honestly, despite Pat's belief in his omniscience, was curious if the omission was your opinion that perhaps the WIAC was UWW and not much else. For what it's worth, I have a record on these boards as doubting the overall strength of the WIAC (posted last year after non conference). I can discuss the subject objectively as I believe there is a strong case for the MIAC as number 1.

After 17 years with a message board, I can recognize a post which will stir the pot, whether you intend to do it or not. Your intent is actually not relevant to my observation.

[Pat Coleman]

If it makes you feel any better I didn't list any teams from the CCIW.

By the way, I will still miss games on WETN, even if the same audio is available elsewhere. Kind of a bummer, if you ask me.

[matblake]

By the way, I will still miss games on WETN, even if the same audio is available elsewhere. Kind of a bummer, if you ask me.

Count me in that crowd too.

[USee]

Emma,

If it makes you feel any better I didn't list any teams from the CCIW.

Usee
I tried to ask the question without antagonism. It would be nice if you didn't follow Pat's lead- as he is just plain wrong.
I'm not looking to stir a pot, I am interested in a conversation about conference strength. I honestly, despite Pat's belief in his omniscience, was curious if the omission was your opinion that perhaps the WIAC was UWW and not much else. For what it's worth, I have a record on these boards as doubting the overall strength of the WIAC (posted last year after non conference). I can discuss the subject objectively as I believe there is a strong case for the MIAC as number 1.

If you think I was following Pat's lead then you haven't read many of my posts, which happen to go back to the origins of the board.

In any case, I only added UWW for the WIAC for the exact same reason I didn't add any CCIW teams. The conference this board knows the most about next to the CCIW is the WIAC and since our conference plays members of the WIAC every year I felt it was condescending to list any others. I really didn't give it any strategic thought. My post was primarily a pitch for Kick Off and secondly to bemoan the status of the CCIW, which I think will change in about 3 weeks if I am right about the strength of our league going into this season.

[USee]

As for the strength of the WIAC v the MIAC, I think you are splitting hairs. The top 3-4 conferences in D3 are all really good in my view. The WIAC has had 5 different teams in the post season the past 5 years. The MIAC has had 3. The CCIW has had 4. If you broaden the span out since 2000 the WIAC has had 6 of 8 teams in the playoffs, the MIAC  has had 4 of 9 and CCIW 7 of 8.  That's the sign of a good conference to me. If multiple teams get to the playoffs over a cycle. 

[USee]

If it makes you feel any better I didn't list any teams from the CCIW.

By the way, I will still miss games on WETN, even if the same audio is available elsewhere. Kind of a bummer, if you ask me.

I agree. Reminds me of one of my favorite stories going back to around 2005 when WETN first started streaming games over the internet (audio only). My wife called me at work wondering why my home computer had a link to "Wet N Live" to which I was completely baffled and said I would have to check it when I got home. When I Explained it didn't say "Wet N Live" but "WETNLive" we got a pretty good kick out of it.

[New Tradition]

As for the strength of the WIAC v the MIAC, I think you are splitting hairs. The top 3-4 conferences in D3 are all really good in my view. The WIAC has had 5 different teams in the post season the past 5 years. The MIAC has had 3. The CCIW has had 4. If you broaden the span out since 2000 the WIAC has had 6 of 8 teams in the playoffs, the MIAC  has had 4 of 9 and Wheaton 7 of 8.  That's the sign of a good conference to me. If multiple teams get to the playoffs over a cycle.

Look, we get that you won the conference last year, but I don't think that the other member schools are quite ready to relinquish naming rights to you Crusaders.   

[emma17]

Emma,

If it makes you feel any better I didn't list any teams from the CCIW.

Usee
I tried to ask the question without antagonism. It would be nice if you didn't follow Pat's lead- as he is just plain wrong.
I'm not looking to stir a pot, I am interested in a conversation about conference strength. I honestly, despite Pat's belief in his omniscience, was curious if the omission was your opinion that perhaps the WIAC was UWW and not much else. For what it's worth, I have a record on these boards as doubting the overall strength of the WIAC (posted last year after non conference). I can discuss the subject objectively as I believe there is a strong case for the MIAC as number 1.

After 17 years with a message board, I can recognize a post which will stir the pot, whether you intend to do it or not. Your intent is actually not relevant to my observation.

Your post said I was "unnecessarily" stirring the pot Pat.  I believe grown ups can have grown up conversations about things such as conference strength.  I would think the D3 boards are a good place for discussions like this to be had.  Let me know if it's wrong of me to welcome a discussion on the subject.

[02 Warhawk]

As for the strength of the WIAC v the MIAC, I think you are splitting hairs. The top 3-4 conferences in D3 are all really good in my view. The WIAC has had 5 different teams in the post season the past 5 years. The MIAC has had 3. The CCIW has had 4. If you broaden the span out since 2000 the WIAC has had 6 of 8 teams in the playoffs, the MIAC  has had 4 of 9 and Wheaton 7 of 8.  That's the sign of a good conference to me. If multiple teams get to the playoffs over a cycle.

Look, we get that you won the conference last year, but I don't think that the other member schools are quite ready to relinquish naming rights to you Crusaders.   

+K That's actually kind of funny.

(Now that's stirring the pot!!  )

[emma17]

As for the strength of the WIAC v the MIAC, I think you are splitting hairs. The top 3-4 conferences in D3 are all really good in my view. The WIAC has had 5 different teams in the post season the past 5 years. The MIAC has had 3. The CCIW has had 4. If you broaden the span out since 2000 the WIAC has had 6 of 8 teams in the playoffs, the MIAC  has had 4 of 9 and Wheaton 7 of 8.  That's the sign of a good conference to me. If multiple teams get to the playoffs over a cycle.

I agree the conferences are very close, however, I feel that 2-5 of the MIAC is probably better than 2-5 of any other conference.  I think 1-3 of the WIAC is likely the best.  I thought the CCIW was the best overall conference a couple years back. 
Perhaps a better measure of conference strength might be to look at conference performance in the playoffs, as well as performance against successful playoff teams in the regular season.     

[USee]

As for the strength of the WIAC v the MIAC, I think you are splitting hairs. The top 3-4 conferences in D3 are all really good in my view. The WIAC has had 5 different teams in the post season the past 5 years. The MIAC has had 3. The CCIW has had 4. If you broaden the span out since 2000 the WIAC has had 6 of 8 teams in the playoffs, the MIAC  has had 4 of 9 and Wheaton 7 of 8.  That's the sign of a good conference to me. If multiple teams get to the playoffs over a cycle.

Look, we get that you won the conference last year, but I don't think that the other member schools are quite ready to relinquish naming rights to you Crusaders.   

Good catch!

[USee]

As for the strength of the WIAC v the MIAC, I think you are splitting hairs. The top 3-4 conferences in D3 are all really good in my view. The WIAC has had 5 different teams in the post season the past 5 years. The MIAC has had 3. The CCIW has had 4. If you broaden the span out since 2000 the WIAC has had 6 of 8 teams in the playoffs, the MIAC  has had 4 of 9 and Wheaton 7 of 8.  That's the sign of a good conference to me. If multiple teams get to the playoffs over a cycle.

I agree the conferences are very close, however, I feel that 2-5 of the MIAC is probably better than 2-5 of any other conference.  I think 1-3 of the WIAC is likely the best.  I thought the CCIW was the best overall conference a couple years back. 
Perhaps a better measure of conference strength might be to look at conference performance in the playoffs, as well as performance against successful playoff teams in the regular season.     

Emma,

I have an affinity for your passive-aggressive style.

2-5 does not a strong conference make. There are 8+ teams in these conferences. While one of the primary criteria is how well they do in the playoffs, I think an additional consideration (for me at least) is how good the entire league is. A good measure of that is how many teams have made the playoffs. A secondary measure is how those teams did in the playoffs. Over recent history, the conferences I think are the best have had multiple teams go to the playoffs and more than one team go deep in the playoffs. I haven't yet done the analysis but off the top of my head I know MIAC has had 4 teams in the playoffs since 2000, 3 teams in the quarters and 3 teams in the semi's and 3 title game appearances for 2 teams with 2 titles. The OAC has had 5 teams in the playoffs with 3 in the quarters and 1 in the semis. The WIAC has had 6 teams in the tournament with 2 getting to the quarters and 1 to the semi's or better. The CCIW has had 7 in the playoffs with 3 in the quarters and 2 in the semis. The NCAC has had 3 in the playoffs with 2 in the quarters.

It's good data. May be more relevant to only look at the last 5 years or so since the NCAA opened up the tourney and allowed teams not in the West or North to play folks other than UMU or UWW.

[Augie6]

If it makes you feel any better I didn't list any teams from the CCIW.

By the way, I will still miss games on WETN, even if the same audio is available elsewhere. Kind of a bummer, if you ask me.

I agree. Reminds me of one of my favorite stories going back to around 2005 when WETN first started streaming games over the internet (audio only). My wife called me at work wondering why my home computer had a link to "Wet N Live" to which I was completely baffled and said I would have to check it when I got home. When I Explained it didn't say "Wet N Live" but "WETNLive" we got a pretty good kick out of it.

That is hilarious!

[matblake]

If it makes you feel any better I didn't list any teams from the CCIW.

By the way, I will still miss games on WETN, even if the same audio is available elsewhere. Kind of a bummer, if you ask me.

I agree. Reminds me of one of my favorite stories going back to around 2005 when WETN first started streaming games over the internet (audio only). My wife called me at work wondering why my home computer had a link to "Wet N Live" to which I was completely baffled and said I would have to check it when I got home. When I Explained it didn't say "Wet N Live" but "WETNLive" we got a pretty good kick out of it.

That is hilarious!

That early streaming stuff was hit and miss.  I remember many times the sound going out in the midst of the play, watching the player program say buffering, and having to judge if it was good or bad for the home team based on the crowd noise when it came back up.  It has really progressed in quality in a short period of time.

[79jaybird]

Just a reminder to go over to the CCIW Pick Em's page and cast your picks for week 1.  I'll try to enter the week's slate every Monday. -M