FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[jknezek]

Most fans would kill to hear a coach say something other than coach speak. Here the coach went out and gave a mild opinion based on his own games and you guys are jumping down his throat. No wonder we're stuck with the same garbage from every coach that gives an interview. Ridiculous that you guys are jumping down his throat. There is nothing inappropriate or unprofessional here. You are just sore he didn't like your team better and want to jump down his throat for an opinion.

[Mr. Ypsi]

New poll is up.  Wheaton remains 7th (jumped by UW-Oshkosh but moved past Wartburg), NCC remains 17th, IWU rose from 25th to 20th.

[Kovo]

Most fans would kill to hear a coach say something other than coach speak. Here the coach went out and gave a mild opinion based on his own games and you guys are jumping down his throat. No wonder we're stuck with the same garbage from every coach that gives an interview. Ridiculous that you guys are jumping down his throat. There is nothing inappropriate or unprofessional here. You are just sore he didn't like your team better and want to jump down his throat for an opinion.

Sorry to disappoint you but I could care less what a bottom dwelling coach thinks of ANY team. The games will be played on the field. But I guess that is part of it--lack of credibility. And, I love coaches who speak out, so long as you have credibility--- Steve Spurrier comes to mind, but some others need to focus on being asked to return next year (probably to the dismay of their fan base).

[markerickson]

AndOne:

I commented last year that I did not understand why Conway did not throw deep to Childress at least once a half.  It is a refrain I repeated to friends, family, and coworkers during the Moss years as a Viking and still repeat with a Bridgewater/Wallace duo.  (I am not a fan of Norv Turner.)

I cannot claim credit for this:

Our Bridgewater who art near the Mississippi,
Hallowed be Thy name,
Thy Bowl will come, on earth as it is in Heaven,
Give us this Sunday, our weekly win,
Give us touchdown passes,
But do not let others pass against us,
Lead us not into frustration,
But deliver us to the Super Bowl,
For Thine is the MVP, and we are the best in the NFC,
And the glory of the Purple People Eaters, Amen.

[Augie6]

Most fans would kill to hear a coach say something other than coach speak. Here the coach went out and gave a mild opinion based on his own games and you guys are jumping down his throat. No wonder we're stuck with the same garbage from every coach that gives an interview. Ridiculous that you guys are jumping down his throat. There is nothing inappropriate or unprofessional here. You are just sore he didn't like your team better and want to jump down his throat for an opinion.

Sorry to disappoint you but I could care less what a bottom dwelling coach thinks of ANY team. The games will be played on the field. But I guess that is part of it--lack of credibility. And, I love coaches who speak out, so long as you have credibility--- Steve Spurrier comes to mind, but some others need to focus on being asked to return next year (probably to the dismay of their fan base).

Seems to me that you must care what he says, since you continue to address it and defend a very "typical" AndOne post.  For someone who doesn't care, this is your third post discussing it.  If AndOne wants some analysis related to the comment that Coach Etherton made, here it is:  Despite how good or bad Millikin is, they were ahead of NCC going into the 4th quarter of their game 21-14.  Going into the 4th quarter of the game against IWU, Millikin was down 47-13.  Based on that "analysis", I would say that Coach E's comments would seem to be pretty reasonable.  The beauty of it is that NCC and IWU still have to play so we will see if his comments are accurate or not. 

[Pat Coleman]

2. Secondly, where is any kind of analysis or substance of any type in your post. I'm sure your knowledge of the game of football goes beyond the inane nature of your above blurb.

Was there any analysis in your post, AndOne? What I see is a snarky open letter (1998 called; it wants its literary device back), a recitation of a coach's record, some apparent attempts at math and no analysis whatsoever.

I didn't get a chance to post in agreement with Joe Hakes before your witty riposte, but I will now. I agree with Joe. I get why you're bitter but IWU did salt its Millikin game away about 15 minutes earlier than North Central did.

Pat,

Permit my response..........., thank you.

As you know, not every post is full of insightful analysis.
Furthermore, my post didn't call for any type of actual analysis because I wasn't disagreeing with  anything anyone had previously said on the subject. True?

My objection stems from the fact that Joe just basically came on and resorted to name calling because he didn't like what I said. And it's a fact that he didn't cite any numbers or other facts to disprove anything I said.

So it's OK for you to call people out but when Joe calls you out, that's out of bounds. You understand why that doesn't make sense, right?

Maybe we can get the President of NCC to release a statement as who he thinks will win the Wheaton Vs Millikin game this weekend---but then again, I don't think that is going to happen, he has too much class. 

We're talking about football coaches -- they have actual experience in the area being discussed here.

Sorry to disappoint you but I could care less what a bottom dwelling coach thinks of ANY team.

You should teach AndOne how to pull off that very difficult trick.

[ExTartanPlayer]

When a coach speaks, like it or not, he speaks for and represents his institution. So to compare the relative strength of opponents who have yet to play each other is both inappropriate and unprofessional.

Really?  We're that freaking uptight that a coach isn't even allowed to comment on his upcoming opponent?  As an outside observer with no dog in the fight, I thought his comment was pretty typical coach-speak, talking up the team he's about to play that week, as any good Lou Holtz fan is familiar with.  "Inappropriate and unprofessional" ?  Come on.

[Mr. Ypsi]

When a coach speaks, like it or not, he speaks for and represents his institution. So to compare the relative strength of opponents who have yet to play each other is both inappropriate and unprofessional.

Really?  We're that freaking uptight that a coach isn't even allowed to comment on his upcoming opponent?  As an outside observer with no dog in the fight, I thought his comment was pretty typical coach-speak, talking up the team he's about to play that week, as any good Lou Holtz fan is familiar with.  "Inappropriate and unprofessional" ?  Come on.

"So to compare the relative strength of opponents who have yet to play each other is both inappropriate and unprofessional."  Kovo, ever hear of Coaches' Polls??

I think AndOne and Kovo are both WAY off base on this one, but I also think it is a tempest in a teapot, so no further comment unless provoked beyond my 'ignore' limits.  

[AndOne]

Pat,

Joe or anyone else can of course call me or anyone else out at any time. I just wish he wouldn't resort to calling a post immature because he didn't agree with it. Also, if you are going to disagree with what was said, I think it's customary to state why and give some supporting into.
Augie6 provided info to support his position. Why couldn't Joe?
IWU may indeed be better than NCC. But nothing Coach Etherton said makes it so.

[79jaybird]

A beautiful, sun splashed Homecoming at Elmhurst College Saturday.  The college looked great.   Wish I could say the same about our Jays.  That big THUD  was an embarrassing loss to Carthage.   I give tons of Credit to Carthage who thoroughly outcoached, outplayed, and outhustled EC.  Taking a page out of Augie's gameplan,  it is easy to see what teams are going to do to try and neutralize Elmhurst-Stop or control Williams,  force Elmhurst to look at other (nonexistent at times) facets,  and poof!  The results have not been promising from our standpoint.   
This year's group reminds me a lot of the Journell teams.  Some quality players, capable of a surprise, but sparingly consistent, which ultimately made a 6-4 record.

IMO,  Elmhurst needs to polish up their 2nd and 3rd alternate gameplans  if/when the rushing game is not "there".   Also giving up 336 yds rushing to a middle-lower end team in Carthage is not good. 

[joehakes]

AO,

Coach Etherton (or any other CCIW coach in any sport) doesn't report to you, so you telling him what his job is doesn't fall under your purview.  I don't think that there is anyone who reads this board regularly who wouldn't agree that if he would have said that NCC was the greatest team of all time, you would have been falling all over yourself to credit him with tremendous knowledge of the game and the DIII landscape.  He was asked a question and he answered it.  MU had NCC in a position in the second half that showed the maybe they have some flaws.  The Cardinals ended up winning big because they are a good team and they deserve that credit, but to disparage someone's job performance in the way that you did shows a lack of maturity. 

In your job, do you have outside people who have never worked in your industry, come down to the office and scream at you to do things the way they think they should be done?  Or go on public websites and say that your professional opinion doesn't matter?  This is supposed to be about the student-athlete experience and your posts don't reflect that.

I don't want to hijack what is normally a pretty informative forum with this petty discussion.  My educated guess is that you won't change your mind or your posting habits since you seem to get called out on this periodically, but I hate to see coaches maligned for doing their jobs.  Every place is different with its own opportunities and challenges.  I wish that you could recognize that and just enjoy what North Central is able to do in most of their programs.

Last word on this from me.

[79jaybird]

AndOne has been known to drink the red Kool-Aid as many of us (I used drink my fair share) do.   At the same time though, reality has to evenly balance the homer in us.   

[emma17]

When a coach speaks, like it or not, he speaks for and represents his institution. So to compare the relative strength of opponents who have yet to play each other is both inappropriate and unprofessional.

Really?  We're that freaking uptight that a coach isn't even allowed to comment on his upcoming opponent?  As an outside observer with no dog in the fight, I thought his comment was pretty typical coach-speak, talking up the team he's about to play that week, as any good Lou Holtz fan is familiar with.  "Inappropriate and unprofessional" ?  Come on.

"So to compare the relative strength of opponents who have yet to play each other is both inappropriate and unprofessional."  Kovo, ever hear of Coaches' Polls??

I think AndOne and Kovo are both WAY off base on this one, but I also think it is a tempest in a teapot, so no further comment unless provoked beyond my 'ignore' limits.

I don't know the answer to this question- do the coaches' polls make public the rankings of each coach?

I'm a bit surprised by this whole thread.  It is certainly unusual for a coach to make the type of statement Coach Etherton made.  I'm not commenting on right or wrong, but it is highly unusual.

[emma17]

Gregory-
You've now seen UWO, Wheaton and NCC play North Park.  I'm interested in your opinion on the three teams.  For transparency, I'm not of the opinion at this time that UWO is the 5th best team in the country, so I'm not trying to stir any pot about the WIAC vs the CCIW, I'm just interested in your perspective.   

[Pat Coleman]

When a coach speaks, like it or not, he speaks for and represents his institution. So to compare the relative strength of opponents who have yet to play each other is both inappropriate and unprofessional.

Really?  We're that freaking uptight that a coach isn't even allowed to comment on his upcoming opponent?  As an outside observer with no dog in the fight, I thought his comment was pretty typical coach-speak, talking up the team he's about to play that week, as any good Lou Holtz fan is familiar with.  "Inappropriate and unprofessional" ?  Come on.

"So to compare the relative strength of opponents who have yet to play each other is both inappropriate and unprofessional."  Kovo, ever hear of Coaches' Polls??

I think AndOne and Kovo are both WAY off base on this one, but I also think it is a tempest in a teapot, so no further comment unless provoked beyond my 'ignore' limits.

I don't know the answer to this question- do the coaches' polls make public the rankings of each coach?

I'm a bit surprised by this whole thread.  It is certainly unusual for a coach to make the type of statement Coach Etherton made.  I'm not commenting on right or wrong, but it is highly unusual.

The D-I coaches' poll ballots are public, as I recall. D-III ones aren't, as far as I know. Not sure anyone has ever asked.