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[shepherd]

I just heard the other side to this story (there is a lot more to this) and as a Wheaton alum it made me feel somewhat better.   What's reported currently is obviously one account. 

Again, I would agree with others if what is reported actually happened, these guys should not being playing for Wheaton, period.

Whats the gist of the "other side" of the story?  The allegations are pretty detailed and heinous..unless the other side is none of this happened, there's quite a lot that would need to be contradicted (i.e. duct taped, hauled away, beaten, attempted insertion of an object into the victim's rectum, left injured and half naked to fend for himself).

psalm 56~light of life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nlD2sFQab0&list=RD5nlD2sFQab0&t=2

[CardinalAlum]

I just heard the other side to this story (there is a lot more to this) and as a Wheaton alum it made me feel somewhat better.   What's reported currently is obviously one account. 

Again, I would agree with others if what is reported actually happened, these guys should not being playing for Wheaton, period.

Whats the gist of the "other side" of the story?  The allegations are pretty detailed and heinous..unless the other side is none of this happened, there's quite a lot that would need to be contradicted (i.e. duct taped, hauled away, beaten, attempted insertion of an object into the victim's rectum, left injured and half naked to fend for himself).

psalm 56~light of life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nlD2sFQab0&list=RD5nlD2sFQab0&t=2

Very inspiring...

[washdupcard]

I just heard the other side to this story (there is a lot more to this) and as a Wheaton alum it made me feel somewhat better.   What's reported currently is obviously one account. 

Again, I would agree with others if what is reported actually happened, these guys should not being playing for Wheaton, period.

Whats the gist of the "other side" of the story?  The allegations are pretty detailed and heinous..unless the other side is none of this happened, there's quite a lot that would need to be contradicted (i.e. duct taped, hauled away, beaten, attempted insertion of an object into the victim's rectum, left injured and half naked to fend for himself).

psalm 56~light of life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nlD2sFQab0&list=RD5nlD2sFQab0&t=2

Hmmm, I wonder where God falls on the safety and protection of the victim? Clearly not your concern. I guess he should prayed harder?  I'm at a loss as to the relevancy of your post. Enlighten me.

[emma17]

AndOne
Thanks for replying to my question. I admit ignorance to the detailed goings-on of a criminal investigation but I can tell you this. If it was my son that suffered what the victim reportedly suffered I guaranty it wouldn't be 18 months of "investigation" before charges were filed and I sure as heck would have made sure the event was made public. 

I've no doubt there is a lot more to this story than what we outsiders are aware of.

[AndOne]

I just heard the other side to this story (there is a lot more to this) and as a Wheaton alum it made me feel somewhat better.   What's reported currently is obviously one account. 

Again, I would agree with others if what is reported actually happened, these guys should not being playing for Wheaton, period.

* Brett Adams, the agent for former pro player Chris Spielman whose son is one of the accused, has come out with a claim that the independent Wheaton College investigation in the fall of 2016 exonerated all of the accused players of any wrongdoing. 

It would seem that Mr. Adams and Wheaton have a difference of opinion with the DuPage County States Attorney.
For the players sake, I hope Mr. Adams proves correct.

But, if Wheaton exonerated the men, why did it evidently suspend them for a game?

[AndOne]

AndOne
Thanks for replying to my question. I admit ignorance to the detailed goings-on of a criminal investigation but I can tell you this. If it was my son that suffered what the victim reportedly suffered I guaranty it wouldn't be 18 months of "investigation" before charges were filed and I sure as heck would have made sure the event was made public. 

I've no doubt there is a lot more to this story than what we outsiders are aware of.

You're most welcome Emma.
But remember DuPage County government, as with most other government entities whether at the local, county, state, or federal level, often moves at a snail's pace. Also, within the various DuPage Government divisions, there aren't a lot of Democrats pushing for faster action or calling the newspapers and TV stations with a possible story when things don't move at the Dems desired pace.

[Gregory Sager]

AndOne
Thanks for replying to my question. I admit ignorance to the detailed goings-on of a criminal investigation but I can tell you this. If it was my son that suffered what the victim reportedly suffered I guaranty it wouldn't be 18 months of "investigation" before charges were filed and I sure as heck would have made sure the event was made public. 

I've no doubt there is a lot more to this story than what we outsiders are aware of.

Indeed. I've been told the other side of the story as well, possibly from the same source that Izzy had. I'm still left with a number of questions in both directions. It's very confusing and contradictory. My initial reaction is that one of two reputable institutions in the western suburbs -- Wheaton College or the DuPage County State's Attorney's office -- is seriously screwing up. I'm not sure which it is. At this point, given the absence of public testimony or evidence presented, my opinion remains completely open.

[robertgoulet]

Deadspin running with the story now. Not good pub for Wheaton even if they end up exonerated.

[washdupcard]

AndOne
Thanks for replying to my question. I admit ignorance to the detailed goings-on of a criminal investigation but I can tell you this. If it was my son that suffered what the victim reportedly suffered I guaranty it wouldn't be 18 months of "investigation" before charges were filed and I sure as heck would have made sure the event was made public. 

I've no doubt there is a lot more to this story than what we outsiders are aware of.

Indeed. I've been told the other side of the story as well, possibly from the same source that Izzy had. I'm still left with a number of questions in both directions. It's very confusing and contradictory. My initial reaction is that one of two reputable institutions in the western suburbs -- Wheaton College or the DuPage County State's Attorney's office -- is seriously screwing up. I'm not sure which it is. At this point, given the absence of public testimony or evidence presented, my opinion remains completely open.

Not that law enforcement is immune from screwing up, but they have vastly more resources, access to evidence, and the expertise to investigate these types of allegations. I think the scales are leaning in their direction without access to any of the evidence or material.

I'm still curious as to at least the gist of this "otherside of the story."

[OzJohnnie]

Well, it will be interesting to see how the prosecutions go.  There can be no result but a big fall for the school or the DA.  The school investigated and ruled it was bad but not bad enough to suspend or expel, or make any apparent meaningful impact on the perpetrators.  The DA says its worth a felony charge.  There's a whole lot of daylight between those two positions and one institution or the other will be proven utterly wrong.

[USee]

If you believe what's coming out, the "gist of the other side of the story" is that the players didn't do what the accuser said they did. The college is lining up on that side of of the story very definitively. So someone is lying, either the accuser is lying (remember there were 2 "victims" and only 1 is saying anything) or an institution with a 150 year history and pretty high level of integrity and Mike Swider (who has been above reproach for over 30 years as a coach at Wheaton) are rolling the dice and risking it all by backing 5 football players (by the way, anyone who thinks Wheaton College gives preferential treatment to a football player  doesn't know anything about Wheaton).

I don't know all the facts (but I know a lot more than most) and I have as many questions as I have answers, but given the public outcry over the college's handling of the recent Larycia Hawkins incident, I have a hard time believing they messed this one up.

[USee]

But, if Wheaton exonerated the men, why did it evidently suspend them for a game?

I don't think Wheaton exonerated them. I think they had multiple investigations and implemented a punishment that fit the crime according to the facts they had before them last year.

[SaintsFAN]

Deadspin running with the story now. Not good pub for Wheaton even if they end up exonerated.

Deadspin running with this was a foregone conclusion since Wheaton is a conservative Christian school.   

[USee]

I should add that I am fully aware that my post about the "other side" does not account for the fact that Dupage County has leveled charges. I don't have any information with regards to that process or what/who is driving it and why. But I am quite dubious, if for no good reason.

[smedindy]

If they have one account from the two victims, you can be sure a material witness subpeona will be coming forthwith if there's not cooperation.

I don't think that a felony charge like this would come willy-nilly so late after the fact, in light of the issues with the Duke LaCrosse case. There's gotta be something there.

Either way,you gotta hold these guys out of games, not just write essays.

I was in a fraternity. We did what would be called 'hazing' but in reality were inconveniences or shenanigans that didn't involve physical injury. And we creeked pledged brothers who got pinned (stripped them and took them to a nearby creek and they had to walk back naked but they always had someone with them to watch for the cops and we only did it in warmer weather).

What a terrible week for D3 football.