FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[CardinalAlum]

First Kentucky, now Elmhurst.  What's this world coming to!   

[thunderdog]

I doubt that you could find anybody connected to North Park who gives a rat's tuchus about the Carthage @ North Central football game, save for a certain NPC alumnus who happens to be the dad of a former Carthage football player as well as the football P.A. announcer at Keller Field (in addition to his side job as head basketball coach of the Red Men ).

Under normal circumstances, there's no reason for people with NPU ties to root for Carthage or North Central or Millikin against another CCIW football team. After all, why should they? They'd be even less likely to root for Illinois Wesleyan. But Wheaton? If you think that Vikings fans would ever find it in themselves to root for Wheaton for any reason for anything, unless it directly benefited a Vikings team, then you clearly know absolutely nothing about North Park.

We really, really, really don't like Wheaton College. At. All.

Greg, I think you misunderstood my question. I was actually asking, in your opinion, given your contacts, do you think the AUGUSTANA VIKINGS would be interested in joining Voltron, not NPU...

[AndOne]

I doubt that you could find anybody connected to North Park who gives a rat's tuchus about the Carthage @ North Central football game, save for a certain NPC alumnus who happens to be the dad of a former Carthage football player as well as the football P.A. announcer at Keller Field (in addition to his side job as head basketball coach of the Red Men ).

Under normal circumstances, there's no reason for people with NPU ties to root for Carthage or North Central or Millikin against another CCIW football team. After all, why should they? They'd be even less likely to root for Illinois Wesleyan. But Wheaton? If you think that Vikings fans would ever find it in themselves to root for Wheaton for any reason for anything, unless it directly benefited a Vikings team, then you clearly know absolutely nothing about North Park.

We really, really, really don't like Wheaton College. At. All.

Greg, I think you misunderstood my question. I was actually asking, in your opinion, given your contacts, do you think the AUGUSTANA VIKINGS would be interested in joining Voltron, not NPU...

thunderdog,

Don't be surprised if Sager says thats another thing nobody, including himself, at NPU gives a rat's tuchus about. Again, no benefit to NPU whether they would or wouldn't. 😏

[AndOne]

Wow.

A quarter century ago, right before the school closed, the Upsala College men's basketball program was given the NCAA death sentence for serious financial aid infractions, namely charging its players tuition and then making no attempt to get the players to pay up. Upsala was an ELCA college, the same as Augustana and Carthage, and the school North Park beat to win the 1980 NCAA title.

In Upsala's case it was proven that the infraction collusion went all the way to the presidents desk. I remember that the infraction report was a page and a half in agate type in the old NCAA newspaper.

From what I know and was able to discern from the NCAA report, it appears that the "bad guys" here were some over zealous alums and a Financial Aids Director who might have a head for numbers, but who evidently lacks the knowledge that donations cannot be earmarked as available for athletes only as that is technically defined as an athletic scholarship which, of course, is prohibited in D3. Either that or she knew the rule but willfully chose to disregard it. From the information available to date, it looks like this may well have been the case in this particular instance.
It seems that if the EC President or any members of the College Cabinet were involved, that this would have already been discovered during the investigation the NCAA conducted.
I'd say both the investigative and penalty phases of this case have been concluded with the only remaining action being Elmhurst's cleaning up a few loose ends and staying out of trouble until 10/27/19 when the probation ends.
Accordingly, this appears to be pretty much of a dead/closed issue at this point.

[Gregory Sager]

I doubt that you could find anybody connected to North Park who gives a rat's tuchus about the Carthage @ North Central football game, save for a certain NPC alumnus who happens to be the dad of a former Carthage football player as well as the football P.A. announcer at Keller Field (in addition to his side job as head basketball coach of the Red Men ).

Under normal circumstances, there's no reason for people with NPU ties to root for Carthage or North Central or Millikin against another CCIW football team. After all, why should they? They'd be even less likely to root for Illinois Wesleyan. But Wheaton? If you think that Vikings fans would ever find it in themselves to root for Wheaton for any reason for anything, unless it directly benefited a Vikings team, then you clearly know absolutely nothing about North Park.

We really, really, really don't like Wheaton College. At. All.

Greg, I think you misunderstood my question. I was actually asking, in your opinion, given your contacts, do you think the AUGUSTANA VIKINGS would be interested in joining Voltron, not NPU...

thunderdog,

Don't be surprised if Sager says thats another thing nobody, including himself, at NPU gives a rat's tuchus about. Again, no benefit to NPU whether they would or wouldn't. 😏

What he said.

Wow.

A quarter century ago, right before the school closed, the Upsala College men's basketball program was given the NCAA death sentence for serious financial aid infractions, namely charging its players tuition and then making no attempt to get the players to pay up. Upsala was an ELCA college, the same as Augustana and Carthage, and the school North Park beat to win the 1980 NCAA title.

In Upsala's case it was proven that the infraction collusion went all the way to the presidents desk. I remember that the infraction report was a page and a half in agate type in the old NCAA newspaper.

From what I know and was able to discern from the NCAA report, it appears that the "bad guys" here were some over zealous alums and a Financial Aids Director who might have a head for numbers, but who evidently lacks the knowledge that donations cannot be earmarked as available for athletes only as that is technically defined as an athletic scholarship which, of course, is prohibited in D3. Either that or she knew the rule but willfully chose to disregard it. From the information available to date, it looks like this may well have been the case in this particular instance.
It seems that if the EC President or any members of the College Cabinet were involved, that this would have already been discovered during the investigation the NCAA conducted.
I'd say both the investigative and penalty phases of this case have been concluded with the only remaining action being Elmhurst's cleaning up a few loose ends and staying out of trouble until 10/27/19 when the probation ends.
Accordingly, this appears to be pretty much of a dead/closed issue at this point.

That's my read, too. This isn't an Upsala situation, in which the rot was widespread and protracted and went right to the top. (It was counterproductive, too; why would a school that was already so deep in the red that it would close within a few subsequent years allow students to not pay their bills?) My guess is that the director of financial aid is now either gone or will soon be gone from the Elmhurst administration, and that the school will keep its nose clean ... and that this will all become ancient history once November of 2019 rolls around.

[Gregory Sager]

Sked:
Augustana @ Wheaton, 1 pm
Carroll @ North Park, 1 pm
Carthage @ North Central, 1 pm
Elmhurst @ Millikin, 1 pm

Illinois Wesleyan has the bye.

Massey:
Wheaton 42, Augustana 10 (WC 99%, AC 1%)
North Park 22, Carroll 17 (NPU 64%, CU 36%)
North Central 31, Carthage 24 (NCC 68%, CC 32%)
Millikin 38, Elmhurst 24 (MU 84%, EC 16%)

[79jaybird]

The Mrs (Elmhurst Prof) actually knew about this prior to this posting.   Obviously they don't want to discuss this, hence why she didn't tell me.
But,  certainly a tattoo on the Jay's shoulder.

Again,  hoping the dust settles and Elmhurst can move forward legally and productively.

[AndOne]

The Mrs (Elmhurst Prof) actually knew about this prior to this posting.   Obviously they don't want to discuss this, hence why she didn't tell me.
But,  certainly a tattoo on the Jay's shoulder.

Again,  hoping the dust settles and Elmhurst can move forward legally and productively.

This just sounds like someone employed in a financial (rather than athletic) position that, frankly, she probably wasn't qualified for. It appears while she may understand the numbers part of the job, she wasn't fully aware how her position relates to and intertwines with the athletic department. Especially, the financial constraints that said department operates under with regard to money being earmarked for athletes only as opposed to being available to the general student population. Either that or she was aware of the rules and just willfully disregarded them.
I have talked with the Elmhurst AD many times over the years, and have always found him to be someone that I would have great difficulty believing would knowingly engage in any illegal behavior. I can imagine he must be shocked and very discouraged by the recent events.

At whatever school that may be involved in any type of situation either like this or also something entirely within the school itself (not involving NCAA regulations), its too bad that athletic departments and student athletes sometimes have to suffer because someone in a primarily non-athletic position doesn't fully understand how something they may do can negatively affect athletic department personnel and/or student athletics.

[Pat Coleman]

Regional rankings are out:
http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2017/first-regional-ranking

[Mr. Ypsi]

Considering the h-t-h result from Saturday, is anyone else surprised that Millikin is ranked, but not Carthage?  Millikin does have the higher SOS, but it is not THAT much higher.

[USee]

They went straight won loss and SOS for this ranking. No consideration of RRO. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

They went straight won loss and SOS for this ranking. No consideration of RRO.

I wasn't talking about RRO =- after all, Millikin beat Wheaton (who was ranked in the North), while Carthage lost to them.  I was talking direct h-t-h; no reason they shouldn't have used that.

But this week isn't really even worth debating anyway.  It will all change next week after Carthage plays NCC.

[thunderdog]

They went straight won loss and SOS for this ranking. No consideration of RRO.

I wasn't talking about RRO =- after all, Millikin beat Wheaton (who was ranked in the North), while Carthage lost to them.  I was talking direct h-t-h; no reason they shouldn't have used that.

But this week isn't really even worth debating anyway.  It will all change next week after Carthage VOLTRON plays beats NCC.

Ypsi, fixed that for you...

[iwu70]

Very much looking forward to watching NCC vs. CC tomorrow . . . and cheering for the Redmen.  Go Carthage!

Strange for the bye, for IWU, this late in the season.

Titans 8-1 . . . one more game in the regular season.  9-1 in sight.  MU will be tough, a great challenge for the IWU defensive secondary. 

Go Carthage, Go TITANS!

IWU'70

[CardinalAlum]

Very much looking forward to watching NCC vs. CC tomorrow . . . and cheering for the Redmen.  Go Carthage!

Strange for the bye, for IWU, this late in the season.

Titans 8-1 . . . one more game in the regular season.  9-1 in sight.  MU will be tough, a great challenge for the IWU defensive secondary. 

Go Carthage, Go TITANS!

IWU'70

Don’t need any Green Weenies cheering for us anyway!