FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Titan Q]

Hoping for the best for Norm's boys!

OMG

[USee]

I agree Q. And if by chance BW drops out and Wash U sneaks in, the Titans resume picks up another RRO. The math on SOS is available.

While the North RAC has shown no creativity, which is really unfortunate and highlights the inconsistency of the process, the National committtee can step in and reorder the north picks. I also don't understand why they had a mock selection, whose stated purpose was for the national committee to interact with the RAC's to ensure consistency no?

There is little doubt that IWU  would have the best chance of getting selected at the end of the process Their SOS and RRO's jump out at among the last group at the table.

[Titan Q]

I know USee has said it before, but scheduling a really tough out of conference game is a risk.  Scheduling games is a problem as not many schools want to play CCIW schools.  The WIAC will but it may bite IWU this year and it has gotten NCC in the past.  There is no upside to playing a top program out of conference. 

Had IWU just scheduled a bad team in that opener and won, the Titans would be a Pool C lock. 

[Titan Q]

I agree Q. And if by chance BW drops out and Wash U sneaks in, the Titans resume picks up another RRO. The math on SOS is available.

While the North RAC has shown no creativity, which is really unfortunate and highlights the inconsistency of the process, the National committtee can step in and reorder the north picks. I also don't understand why they had a mock selection, whose stated purpose was for the national committee to interact with the RAC's to ensure consistency no?

There is little doubt that IWU  would have the best chance of getting selected at the end of the process Their SOS and RRO's jump out at among the last group at the table.

Definitely.  Wash U getting regionally ranked, as I have said a few times here on the boards, would be huge for IWU.

[USee]

It's crazy to think that if IWU wins that last second field goal game and Wheaton was able to eek out a victory in a one score game at WashU, then the order of things would be dramatically different. Wheaton would be the AQ and NCC/IWU would both be strong 1 loss teams. It's a game of inches.

I am hoping the National Committee steps in and gives the North the best chance.

[Titan Q]

It's crazy to think that if IWU wins that last second field goal game and Wheaton was able to eek out a victory in a one score game at WashU, then the order of things would be dramatically different. Wheaton would be the AQ and NCC/IWU would both be strong 1 loss teams. It's a game of inches.

I am hoping the National Committee steps in and gives the North the best chance.

With just 10 games, the football season is intense - every single result matters.  So every late-game big play the factors into a result is magnified...which is why the football season is so great.  I remember watching the end of IWU/La Crosse thinking how big that result would be.

I also hope the North committee has at least looked at this from a standpoint of what order gives the region the best chance at the most competitive Pool C candidates.  I am completely biased here as an IWU fan, but I think you guys know I know my D3 bracketology (via being part of the D3hoops.com basketball mock selection process)...and ranking Wabash ahead of IWU just does not make good bracketology sense to me.

[CardinalAlum]

Hoping for the best for Norm's boys!

OMG

Caught me in a weak moment!  All kidding aside, getting multiple teams in is good for the conference and come playoff time, we all root for each other I believe. 

[Titan Q]

Hoping for the best for Norm's boys!

OMG

Caught me in a weak moment!  All kidding aside, getting multiple teams in is good for the conference and come playoff time, we all root for each other I believe.

Chat board, hugging it out after another long, tough CCIW slate.  Beautiful.

[USee]

just posted this on the pool C board:

Here are the criteria with updated SOS through yesterday:

* Illinois Wesleyan: 8-2, .555 SOS, 1-2 vs RRO (beat Wheaton, lost to La Crosse, North Central)
* Wabash: 9-1, .484 SOS, 1-0 vs RRO (beat Wittenberg)
* Wheaton: 8-2, .558 SOS, 1-1 vs RRO (lost to IWU, beat North Central)
* Wittenberg: 9-1, .504 SOS, 0-1 vs RRO (lost to Wabash)
*JCU: 9-1, .538 SOS, 1-1 vs RRO (Beat BW, lost to UMU)

If somehow WashU sneaks into the bottom of the final rankings, which is a strong possibility when you consider all the choices for the 10th spot:

*WashU: 8-2, .555 SOS, 1-2 vs RRO (Beat Wheaton, lost to IWU, North Central)
*Baldwin Wallace: 8-2, .516 SOS, 0-2 vs RRO (Lost to UMU, JCU)
*Franklin: 8-2, .440 SOS, 0-0 vs RRO
*Denison,: 8-2 .497 SOS, 1-1 vs RRO (Beat Wabash, lost to Wittenberg)

Then the North looks like this:

* Illinois Wesleyan: 8-2, .555 SOS, 2-2 vs RRO (beat Wheaton, WashU, lost to La Crosse, North Central)
* Wabash: 9-1, .484 SOS, 1-0 vs RRO (beat Wittenberg)
* Wheaton: 8-2, .558 SOS, 1-2 vs RRO (lost to IWU, WashU, beat North Central)
* Wittenberg: 9-1, .504 SOS, 0-1 vs RRO (lost to Wabash)
*JCU: 9-1, .538 SOS, 0-1 vs RRO (lost to UMU)

Wheaton's SOS took a bigger hit from .606 to .558 because they played Elmhurst and Monmouth lost to St Norbert (likely bumping Monmouth from the regional rankings in the west). IWU's SOS went from .588 to .555 after playing North Park Saturday.

[Pat Coleman]

I know USee has said it before, but scheduling a really tough out of conference game is a risk.  Scheduling games is a problem as not many schools want to play CCIW schools.  The WIAC will but it may bite IWU this year and it has gotten NCC in the past.  There is no upside to playing a top program out of conference. 

Had IWU just scheduled a bad team in that opener and won, the Titans would be a Pool C lock.

Fixed that for you.

[Titan Q]

I know USee has said it before, but scheduling a really tough out of conference game is a risk.  Scheduling games is a problem as not many schools want to play CCIW schools.  The WIAC will but it may bite IWU this year and it has gotten NCC in the past.  There is no upside to playing a top program out of conference. 

Had IWU just scheduled a bad team in that opener and won, the Titans would be a Pool C lock.

Fixed that for you.

We are both right, Pat.  It is two separate but accurate points.

* Had IWU beat UW-La Crosse, a good team from the best league, they'd be in.

* But had they just scheduled a cupcake, and won, they'd be in.

If the North region is just gonna stack teams up by winning % there is no incentive to play good teams in the non-conference.

[hazzben]

I agree Q. And if by chance BW drops out and Wash U sneaks in, the Titans resume picks up another RRO. The math on SOS is available.

While the North RAC has shown no creativity, which is really unfortunate and highlights the inconsistency of the process, the National committtee can step in and reorder the north picks. I also don't understand why they had a mock selection, whose stated purpose was for the national committee to interact with the RAC's to ensure consistency no?

There is little doubt that IWU  would have the best chance of getting selected at the end of the process Their SOS and RRO's jump out at among the last group at the table.

Didn't the National Committee chair say on the podcast that they don't actually re-order the RAC ranking. If something looks off, they might send it back and say (in this situation as an example), "can you explain why IWU at 2-2 vs. RRO is behind Wabash and Wittenberg?" But my understanding from the podcast a few weeks back is that this National Committee sounded unwilling to simply re-order things once they got the rankings. I know they have in the past, but each Nat. Com is really its own animal.

Am I missing something there?

FWIW, I think IWU should be above Bash and Witt.

[HScoach]

I know USee has said it before, but scheduling a really tough out of conference game is a risk.  Scheduling games is a problem as not many schools want to play CCIW schools.  The WIAC will but it may bite IWU this year and it has gotten NCC in the past.  There is no upside to playing a top program out of conference. 

Had IWU just scheduled a bad team in that opener and won, the Titans would be a Pool C lock.

Fixed that for you.

We are both right, Pat.  It is two separate but accurate points.

* Had IWU beat UW-La Crosse, a good team from the best league, they'd be in.

* But had they just scheduled a cupcake, and won, they'd be in.

If the North region is just gonna stack teams up by winning % there is no incentive to play good teams in the non-conference.

You also have to factor in that IWU might not have had the same season if they hadn't played and been pushed to the limit in week 1 by LAX.   The benefit of playing that kind of opener is that it increases the off season and fall camp focus.  Plus the lessons learned from that loss can be the very thing that galvanizes serious improvement.

I know this is umneasureable,  but it could be a part of the equation too.


That said, the 2nd place NCAC team should never be ranked ahead of the 2nd place CCIW team.  Period.

[maripp2002]

Just a technicality here, but neither Wabash or Wittenberg were second place in the NCAC. Technically, there was a three way tie, in which the two teams with the best overall records were left on the carpet. Ah, tie breakers. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Just a technicality here, but neither Wabash or Wittenberg were second place in the NCAC. Technically, there was a three way tie, in which the two teams with the best overall records were left on the carpet. Ah, tie breakers. 

Likewise, IWU was not second in the CCIW, but co-champs.