FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

With 7 turnovers in a game they won't contend for any title, or any game.

Ummm, they went in double OT against the #2 team in the WIAC.  What does it mean to "contend" if double OT vs. #23 doesn't fit the definition?

... on the road ... in their season opener. Shoot, just one play makes enough of a difference in that game -- if IWU doesn't blow the coverage on the second play from scrimmage and give up the long TD pass, I don't think we have nearly enough to talk about.

[USee]

With 7 turnovers in a game they won't contend for any title, or any game.

Ummm, they went in double OT against the #2 team in the WIAC.  What does it mean to "contend" if double OT vs. #23 doesn't fit the definition?

Do you think IWU can win this weekend if they turn it over 5+ times? How many games do you think they will win this year if they turn it over 5x a game?

[Pat Coleman]

With 7 turnovers in a game they won't contend for any title, or any game.

Ummm, they went in double OT against the #2 team in the WIAC.  What does it mean to "contend" if double OT vs. #23 doesn't fit the definition?

Do you think IWU can win this weekend if they turn it over 5+ times? How many games do you think they will win this year if they turn it over 5x a game?

How many times do you think they will turn it over 5x a game?

[USee]

You changed the question. I said they won't contend if they turn it over and I was challenged with that idea. I don't think it's likely they turn it over 7x a game though they did lead the league in turnovers last year at 2.3 per game I believe. It's clear they are trying to run an uptempo offense to try and run more plays. That's a good strategy with the makeup of their offense as they run a ton of RPO and can control the Time of possession, limit their defenses exposure, and get more plays for their playmakers.

They ran 102 plays on Saturday. Typical is usually around 70 plays. So if they run 50% more plays than a year ago, is it a stretch to think their turnovers go up by 50%?

The original statement I made is still pretty safe....IWU won't contend if they turn it over 5+ a game.

[Pat Coleman]

I definitely did change the question, since your question kind of seemed like a strawman/moot point.

[emma17]

You changed the question. I said they won't contend if they turn it over and I was challenged with that idea. I don't think it's likely they turn it over 7x a game though they did lead the league in turnovers last year at 2.3 per game I believe. It's clear they are trying to run an uptempo offense to try and run more plays. That's a good strategy with the makeup of their offense as they run a ton of RPO and can control the Time of possession, limit their defenses exposure, and get more plays for their playmakers.

They ran 102 plays on Saturday. Typical is usually around 70 plays. So if they run 50% more plays than a year ago, is it a stretch to think their turnovers go up by 50%?

The original statement I made is still pretty safe....IWU won't contend if they turn it over 5+ a game.

That's an amazing stat - especially when you consider they turned the ball over so many times.

[USee]

I actually misread the box.

IWU ran 105 plays with 7 turnovers
UWL ran 63 plays with 2 turnovers

I don't think I have ever seen that many plays, that big a difference on plays, all with that many turnovers. Just a very unique game.

[kiko]

You changed the question. I said they won't contend if they turn it over and I was challenged with that idea. I don't think it's likely they turn it over 7x a game though they did lead the league in turnovers last year at 2.3 per game I believe. It's clear they are trying to run an uptempo offense to try and run more plays. That's a good strategy with the makeup of their offense as they run a ton of RPO and can control the Time of possession, limit their defenses exposure, and get more plays for their playmakers.

They ran 102 plays on Saturday. Typical is usually around 70 plays. So if they run 50% more plays than a year ago, is it a stretch to think their turnovers go up by 50%?

The original statement I made is still pretty safe....IWU won't contend if they turn it over 5+ a game.

Your original statement also said they wouldn't contend in any game if they turned it over seven times.  And unless double overtime means something other than what I think it does, they very clearly did.

[mwunder]

With 7 turnovers in a game they won't contend for any title, or any game.

Ummm, they went in double OT against the #2 team in the WIAC.  What does it mean to "contend" if double OT vs. #23 doesn't fit the definition?

Do you think IWU can win this weekend if they turn it over 5+ times? How many games do you think they will win this year if they turn it over 5x a game?

You're missing the overall point of my post USee.  They DID contend in the game which is why it went to double OT.  It's not like UWL scored 49 points off of those 7 TO's and won going away.  Are turnovers bad?  Yes.  Did IWU turn it over a lot?  Yes.  Were they in the game until turnover #7?  Yes, very much so.

You said they wouldn't contend in any game with that amount of turnovers in a game...I say your assertion is incorrect because they were in that game all the way until the final play.  If they turn it over 5 times against Carthage or North Park or Elmhurst or Carroll, it's conceivable that they win all 4 of those games.




To your point about IWU turnovers, the IWU offense better learn how to tackle.

[emma17]

^^
That's funny.

Outsider's perspective- I get the gist of both sides.
Imo, the interesting stat raised in this discussion is the # of turnovers per # of plays.

[USee]

^^
That's funny.

Outsider's perspective- I get the gist of both sides.
Imo, the interesting stat raised in this discussion is the # of turnovers per # of plays.

Last year IWU ran an average of 79 plays per game over 10 games and turned it over 2.1x a game on average (or 1x every 38 plays).  On Saturday, while it is just 1 game, they ran 100 plays in regulation and turned it over 5x (1x per 20 plays). In OT they ran 5 plays over 2 drives and both drives ended in a turnover. Notably, the first possession in OT was after UWL had missed a FG so ANY score wins the game and on 2nd down Bauer threw his 6th INT. IWU started with the ball in the 2nd OT and the strip, scoop and score happened on the 3rd play.

[USee]

While the IWU @Wheaton game may get much of the attention this week, there is a huge contest in St Louis as NCC visits the Bears on Saturday. WashU has a veteran group returning on both sides and Johnny Davidson was second only to Broc Rutter in accuracy and efficiency. I think WashU is much closer to the top 3 teams in the CCIW than many may believe. WashU is quite capable of playing with the Cardinals.

Should be a great game.

[CardinalAlum]

While the IWU @Wheaton game may get much of the attention this week, there is a huge contest in St Louis as NCC visits the Bears on Saturday. WashU has a veteran group returning on both sides and Johnny Davidson was second only to Broc Rutter in accuracy and efficiency. I think WashU is much closer to the top 3 teams in the CCIW than many may believe. WashU is quite capable of playing with the Cardinals.

Should be a great game.

Completely agree!  NCC expecting a battle. 

[WUPHF]

I think WashU is much closer to the top 3 teams in the CCIW than many may believe. WashU is quite capable of playing with the Cardinals.

I am curious as to why anyone would believe otherwise.

Last season, Washington University had a statement win over Wheaton and was a roughing the kicker penalty from taking over possession in a tie game with 7 minutes left against IWU after having Davidson out for much of the first half and scoring two consecutive touchdowns that book-ended an IWU three and out.

Is Wheaton and IWU significantly better this season?

[bleedpurple]

I think WashU is much closer to the top 3 teams in the CCIW than many may believe. WashU is quite capable of playing with the Cardinals.

I am curious as to why anyone would believe otherwise.

Last season, Washington University had a statement win over Wheaton and was a roughing the kicker penalty from taking over possession in a tie game with 7 minutes left against IWU after having Davidson out for much of the first half and scoring two consecutive touchdowns that book-ended an IWU three and out.

Is Wheaton and IWU significantly better this season?

I am an outsider, but I think it is probably because the conference is historically top heavy, dominated by the top two or three teams.  I'm guessing that if there was an occasional breakthrough in beating an NCC or a Wheaton, that didn't translate into the upset-puller becoming a year in and year out contender.  If Wash U breaks into the top three this season, I'm sure the expectations will be adjusted going forward.