FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[shepherd]

d3football front page article:
Wheaton, North Central ready for Bell clash
https://www.d3football.com/columns/features/2019/wheaton-north-central-ready-for-bell-clash?t=1570039389425

[Augie6]

For the 1983 season, Elmhurst, Wheaton and Augie were the top 3 offenses in the nation at the end of the season (I don't remember in which order).   Augie was in the top ten on the defensive side.  Not sure where it would have lined up when the teams actually played each other.

Now THAT^ is impressive

Found the stat sheet I had for the 83 season.  Elmhurst was #1 at 483.3 yds per game, Wheaton was #2 at 480.9 and Augie was #3 at 430.9.  Wheaton had the #1 pass offense, averaging 380.4 yards per game, a full 100.3 yards per game more than the 2nd place team.  Augie had the #1 rush offense at 345.7 yards per game and Elmhurst had the #1 scoring offense at 38.1 points per game.  Defensively, we weren't as highly ranked at I thought, coming in at #25 at 232.7 yards per game and #22 on scoring defense, giving up 12 points per game.  This was for the full regular season and did not include playoffs. 

[Mugsy]

For the 1983 season, Elmhurst, Wheaton and Augie were the top 3 offenses in the nation at the end of the season (I don't remember in which order).   Augie was in the top ten on the defensive side.  Not sure where it would have lined up when the teams actually played each other.

Now THAT^ is impressive

Found the stat sheet I had for the 83 season.  Elmhurst was #1 at 483.3 yds per game, Wheaton was #2 at 480.9 and Augie was #3 at 430.9.  Wheaton had the #1 pass offense, averaging 380.4 yards per game, a full 100.3 yards per game more than the 2nd place team.  Augie had the #1 rush offense at 345.7 yards per game and Elmhurst had the #1 scoring offense at 38.1 points per game.  Defensively, we weren't as highly ranked at I thought, coming in at #25 at 232.7 yards per game and #22 on scoring defense, giving up 12 points per game.  This was for the full regular season and did not include playoffs.

How much of Augie's defense rankings being #25 was due to starters resting for a good portion of 4th quarters?  I do seem to recall that the 83' defense may not have been as good as 84' or 85'?   

[GoIrish7]

I was able to be in attendance for the NCC vs NP game. This year more than ever the top 2 teams (Wheaton / NCC ) seem to be at such a higher level. In years past I spoke on how talented Rutter was, but didnt think he always had every answer to the test, sometimes taking sacks or having to try and force balls into small windows due to being late and trying to see things open. He has been lights out this year and you can tell as a senior is in with the offensive staff when game planning meetings etc are happening. The past few weeks he has been unreal to watch with his supporting cast.

Looking at the forecast if it holds true, Wheaton should be thrilled for a rainy day. If weather holds up I have NCC 31 - 24. If it is a crappy day I think it NCC still comes out on top with a 21-17 W. Very excited to watch this game. When people talk down upon d3 football these are the type of games I encourage them to go to and watch to observe just how talented both teams are and the type of football that is played.

Also, Congrats to Coach McDonald on win #1 as the head coach of the Bluejays. Coach has done an outstanding job with alumni, and it feels like a night and day difference over in Elmhurst when you go into the offices or check out practice. The talent is still very very down, but hoping coach and staff can change that here in the coming years. Dont see many more wins on the schedule this season but you can already see coach getting some freshmen time who have some ability to them which is promising.

[Augie6]

For the 1983 season, Elmhurst, Wheaton and Augie were the top 3 offenses in the nation at the end of the season (I don't remember in which order).   Augie was in the top ten on the defensive side.  Not sure where it would have lined up when the teams actually played each other.

Now THAT^ is impressive

Found the stat sheet I had for the 83 season.  Elmhurst was #1 at 483.3 yds per game, Wheaton was #2 at 480.9 and Augie was #3 at 430.9.  Wheaton had the #1 pass offense, averaging 380.4 yards per game, a full 100.3 yards per game more than the 2nd place team.  Augie had the #1 rush offense at 345.7 yards per game and Elmhurst had the #1 scoring offense at 38.1 points per game.  Defensively, we weren't as highly ranked at I thought, coming in at #25 at 232.7 yards per game and #22 on scoring defense, giving up 12 points per game.  This was for the full regular season and did not include playoffs.

How much of Augie's defense rankings being #25 was due to starters resting for a good portion of 4th quarters?  I do seem to recall that the 83' defense may not have been as good as 84' or 85'?

I think that impacted it some, but no more than the following 3 years.  Looking at the Championship years, defensive stats were as follows, including playoff games:

1983   -   251.1 yards per game / 13.4 points per game
1984   -   187.4 yards per game / 8.5 points per game
1985   -   177.2 yards per game / 6.2 points per game
1986   -   159.5 yards per game / 5.6 points per game

IMO, 1985 and 1986 were the two best defenses, with 86 taking the top spot based on having slightly better ypg and ppg stats, but primarily based on 63 turnovers generated vs 41 for the 1985 team. 

[Mugsy]

For the 1983 season, Elmhurst, Wheaton and Augie were the top 3 offenses in the nation at the end of the season (I don't remember in which order).   Augie was in the top ten on the defensive side.  Not sure where it would have lined up when the teams actually played each other.

Now THAT^ is impressive

Found the stat sheet I had for the 83 season.  Elmhurst was #1 at 483.3 yds per game, Wheaton was #2 at 480.9 and Augie was #3 at 430.9.  Wheaton had the #1 pass offense, averaging 380.4 yards per game, a full 100.3 yards per game more than the 2nd place team.  Augie had the #1 rush offense at 345.7 yards per game and Elmhurst had the #1 scoring offense at 38.1 points per game.  Defensively, we weren't as highly ranked at I thought, coming in at #25 at 232.7 yards per game and #22 on scoring defense, giving up 12 points per game.  This was for the full regular season and did not include playoffs.

How much of Augie's defense rankings being #25 was due to starters resting for a good portion of 4th quarters?  I do seem to recall that the 83' defense may not have been as good as 84' or 85'?

I think that impacted it some, but no more than the following 3 years.  Looking at the Championship years, defensive stats were as follows, including playoff games:

1983   -   251.1 yards per game / 13.4 points per game
1984   -   187.4 yards per game / 8.5 points per game
1985   -   177.2 yards per game / 6.2 points per game
1986   -   159.5 yards per game / 5.6 points per game

IMO, 1985 and 1986 were the two best defenses, with 86 taking the top spot based on having slightly better ypg and ppg stats, but primarily based on 63 turnovers generated vs 41 for the 1985 team.

Thanks for confirming.  This is what thought.

[bleedpurple]

63 takeaways! Goodness gracious!

And Augie, you are to be commended for successfully navigating an extensive walk down memory lane during the lead up to the biggest game of the year! Well done! 

[USee]

For the 1983 season, Elmhurst, Wheaton and Augie were the top 3 offenses in the nation at the end of the season (I don't remember in which order).   Augie was in the top ten on the defensive side.  Not sure where it would have lined up when the teams actually played each other.

Now THAT^ is impressive

Found the stat sheet I had for the 83 season.  Elmhurst was #1 at 483.3 yds per game, Wheaton was #2 at 480.9 and Augie was #3 at 430.9.  Wheaton had the #1 pass offense, averaging 380.4 yards per game, a full 100.3 yards per game more than the 2nd place team.  Augie had the #1 rush offense at 345.7 yards per game and Elmhurst had the #1 scoring offense at 38.1 points per game.  Defensively, we weren't as highly ranked at I thought, coming in at #25 at 232.7 yards per game and #22 on scoring defense, giving up 12 points per game.  This was for the full regular season and did not include playoffs.

How much of Augie's defense rankings being #25 was due to starters resting for a good portion of 4th quarters?  I do seem to recall that the 83' defense may not have been as good as 84' or 85'?

I think that impacted it some, but no more than the following 3 years.  Looking at the Championship years, defensive stats were as follows, including playoff games:

1983   -   251.1 yards per game / 13.4 points per game
1984   -   187.4 yards per game / 8.5 points per game
1985   -   177.2 yards per game / 6.2 points per game
1986   -   159.5 yards per game / 5.6 points per game

IMO, 1985 and 1986 were the two best defenses, with 86 taking the top spot based on having slightly better ypg and ppg stats, but primarily based on 63 turnovers generated vs 41 for the 1985 team.

That '86 defense may have been your best of the 4 straight Stagg Bowl Championship years, but you guys still had to cheat to beat Wheaton 18-17 on a last second FG in Rock Island. Mugsy remembers.   

[New Tradition]

For the 1983 season, Elmhurst, Wheaton and Augie were the top 3 offenses in the nation at the end of the season (I don't remember in which order).   Augie was in the top ten on the defensive side.  Not sure where it would have lined up when the teams actually played each other.

Now THAT^ is impressive

Found the stat sheet I had for the 83 season.  Elmhurst was #1 at 483.3 yds per game, Wheaton was #2 at 480.9 and Augie was #3 at 430.9.  Wheaton had the #1 pass offense, averaging 380.4 yards per game, a full 100.3 yards per game more than the 2nd place team.  Augie had the #1 rush offense at 345.7 yards per game and Elmhurst had the #1 scoring offense at 38.1 points per game.  Defensively, we weren't as highly ranked at I thought, coming in at #25 at 232.7 yards per game and #22 on scoring defense, giving up 12 points per game.  This was for the full regular season and did not include playoffs.

How much of Augie's defense rankings being #25 was due to starters resting for a good portion of 4th quarters?  I do seem to recall that the 83' defense may not have been as good as 84' or 85'?

I think that impacted it some, but no more than the following 3 years.  Looking at the Championship years, defensive stats were as follows, including playoff games:

1983   -   251.1 yards per game / 13.4 points per game
1984   -   187.4 yards per game / 8.5 points per game
1985   -   177.2 yards per game / 6.2 points per game
1986   -   159.5 yards per game / 5.6 points per game

IMO, 1985 and 1986 were the two best defenses, with 86 taking the top spot based on having slightly better ypg and ppg stats, but primarily based on 63 turnovers generated vs 41 for the 1985 team.

That '86 defense may have been your best of the 4 straight Stagg Bowl Championship years, but you guys still had to cheat to beat Wheaton 18-17 on a last second FG in Rock Island. Mugsy remembers.   

Cheating to win on a last second FG in Rock Island happened before '05?  Must be an Augie thing....

[USee]

For the 1983 season, Elmhurst, Wheaton and Augie were the top 3 offenses in the nation at the end of the season (I don't remember in which order).   Augie was in the top ten on the defensive side.  Not sure where it would have lined up when the teams actually played each other.

Now THAT^ is impressive

Found the stat sheet I had for the 83 season.  Elmhurst was #1 at 483.3 yds per game, Wheaton was #2 at 480.9 and Augie was #3 at 430.9.  Wheaton had the #1 pass offense, averaging 380.4 yards per game, a full 100.3 yards per game more than the 2nd place team.  Augie had the #1 rush offense at 345.7 yards per game and Elmhurst had the #1 scoring offense at 38.1 points per game.  Defensively, we weren't as highly ranked at I thought, coming in at #25 at 232.7 yards per game and #22 on scoring defense, giving up 12 points per game.  This was for the full regular season and did not include playoffs.

How much of Augie's defense rankings being #25 was due to starters resting for a good portion of 4th quarters?  I do seem to recall that the 83' defense may not have been as good as 84' or 85'?

I think that impacted it some, but no more than the following 3 years.  Looking at the Championship years, defensive stats were as follows, including playoff games:

1983   -   251.1 yards per game / 13.4 points per game
1984   -   187.4 yards per game / 8.5 points per game
1985   -   177.2 yards per game / 6.2 points per game
1986   -   159.5 yards per game / 5.6 points per game

IMO, 1985 and 1986 were the two best defenses, with 86 taking the top spot based on having slightly better ypg and ppg stats, but primarily based on 63 turnovers generated vs 41 for the 1985 team.

That '86 defense may have been your best of the 4 straight Stagg Bowl Championship years, but you guys still had to cheat to beat Wheaton 18-17 on a last second FG in Rock Island. Mugsy remembers.   

Cheating to win on a last second FG in Rock Island happened before '05?  Must be an Augie thing....

Isn't 2005 (Augie) the only year in the last 20 or so that NCC/Wheaton didn't win or share the CCIW title?

[Gregory Sager]

Isn't 2005 (Augie) the only year in the last 20 or so that NCC/Wheaton didn't win or share the CCIW title?

No. Augustana and Illinois Wesleyan shared the title in 2001, and Augie was the sole champion in 1999 (which is still within the last 20 seasons' worth of champions until this season is complete).

[USee]

Isn't 2005 (Augie) the only year in the last 20 or so that NCC/Wheaton didn't win or share the CCIW title?

No. Augustana and Illinois Wesleyan shared the title in 2001, and Augie was the sole champion in 1999 (which is still within the last 20 seasons' worth of champions until this season is complete).

Thus the qualifier "...or so"

[79jaybird]

Back in the early 00's I was talking to Dave Wrath before a AC/EC game in RI.  We were talking about that 1983 game and Elmhurst had Augie on the ropes, before the game winning drive by Augie.  I would have loved have seen that game, sans the outcome of course.   Also would have liked to seen that '86 0-0 game and the missed FG.

GoIrish7- Yes agree, but be cautious because I remember echoing the same thoughts when Journell, Lester, Adam, etc. all took the reigns.   

[Mugsy]

For the 1983 season, Elmhurst, Wheaton and Augie were the top 3 offenses in the nation at the end of the season (I don't remember in which order).   Augie was in the top ten on the defensive side.  Not sure where it would have lined up when the teams actually played each other.

Now THAT^ is impressive

Found the stat sheet I had for the 83 season.  Elmhurst was #1 at 483.3 yds per game, Wheaton was #2 at 480.9 and Augie was #3 at 430.9.  Wheaton had the #1 pass offense, averaging 380.4 yards per game, a full 100.3 yards per game more than the 2nd place team.  Augie had the #1 rush offense at 345.7 yards per game and Elmhurst had the #1 scoring offense at 38.1 points per game.  Defensively, we weren't as highly ranked at I thought, coming in at #25 at 232.7 yards per game and #22 on scoring defense, giving up 12 points per game.  This was for the full regular season and did not include playoffs.

How much of Augie's defense rankings being #25 was due to starters resting for a good portion of 4th quarters?  I do seem to recall that the 83' defense may not have been as good as 84' or 85'?

I think that impacted it some, but no more than the following 3 years.  Looking at the Championship years, defensive stats were as follows, including playoff games:

1983   -   251.1 yards per game / 13.4 points per game
1984   -   187.4 yards per game / 8.5 points per game
1985   -   177.2 yards per game / 6.2 points per game
1986   -   159.5 yards per game / 5.6 points per game

IMO, 1985 and 1986 were the two best defenses, with 86 taking the top spot based on having slightly better ypg and ppg stats, but primarily based on 63 turnovers generated vs 41 for the 1985 team.

That '86 defense may have been your best of the 4 straight Stagg Bowl Championship years, but you guys still had to cheat to beat Wheaton 18-17 on a last second FG in Rock Island. Mugsy remembers.   

I was standing less than 2 feet to the right of the 4th and 13 pass to setup the gaming winning FG that bounced off ground first, before the WR "caught" it 18 inches off the ground.  Thanks for ripping that memory from the recesses of my concussed mind.

[USee]

Perhaps you should have standing 2 feet farther left?