FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[usee]

mugsy,

i might be wrong but i thought the wabash scrimmage was sept 2nd.

[Mugsy]

mugsy,

i might be wrong but i thought the wabash scrimmage was sept 2nd.

Could very well be...  I just looked at the overall schedule and assumed they wouldn't schedule a scrimmage one week before the season starts. 

At least I got the opponent of the scrimmage right...

[Mugsy]

Mugsy,

Looking forward to the annual Wabash/Wheaton scrimmage in a couple of weeks (9/2).  It has been a very good early test.  High expectations again in C-ville.  56 Frosh / 121 on the roster.

BB16

Alas... a couple of pages back, note the 9/2 date.  So Wheaton scrimmages Wabash on 9/2, not this weekend.  Please excuse my misinformation.

[79jaybird]

EC/UWW,  Wheat/W, and IWU/IBC  all three srimmages I think will benefit 1 of the 2 schools.  Whitewater and Wabash, two playoff teams from last year will be great experience for Elmhurst and Wheaton.  I think Benedictine will benefit from playing IWU, just because they face 3 CCIW teams to start the year.  Hopefully nobody gets hurt and we can a good picture of what we will see opening day.

[79jaybird]

Mugsy,  this is the same post I posted on the CCIW pick em's.  Are we taking picks for the opening week of the year (9/2) games?
Carthage @ Carroll-- Carthage
Augie @ McMurray-- Augustana
Benedictine @Elmhurst-- Elmhurst
Coe @ IWU-- Coe
Millkin@ Ill. College-- Millikin

[Mugsy]

Mugsy,  this is the same post I posted on the CCIW pick em's.  Are we taking picks for the opening week of the year (9/2) games?
Carthage @ Carroll-- Carthage
Augie @ McMurray-- Augustana
Benedictine @Elmhurst-- Elmhurst
Coe @ IWU-- Coe
Millkin@ Ill. College-- Millikin

Yes we will.  I'll be setting the rules for this year's pick-em's and posting them by Monday, August 28th at the latest to give everyone time to make their picks for 9/2 games.

[Goal Line Stand]

Since we are on the subject of limiting rosters...what if you are a sophomore + and you are caught in the roster crunch?

You are established in the school now....they got your money..... and now you are told we only have room for 100 so you are pushed off the team because of some unknown freshman coming in. How does that effect roster limit discussions?

Really doesn't seem fair. You obviously have gone through one season and you are planning to come back for your second...third...fourth year. Now what?

That is one of the unfortunate results of a 99 man limited roster.  But it is a reality that upper classman who have been given a chance to develop but haven't earned playing time will be release to make room for incoming freshman who need to get their chance.  But it has been my experience that almost everyone who has stepped on a high school football field believes they can play at the D-3 college level and it is just not true.  The quality of D-3 football is very high.  Many starters could play at higher levels but have chosen not to for a variety of reasons.  I just think a roster spot should be something that is earned because of talent and ability and not something that anybody can get by just showing up. Participation trophies are for youth football.  Even on a 99 man roster,  there are alot of great players that will never make it off of the scout team but are great contributor to the success of the team.  But if a 3-deep scout team system must be created to keep players busy because the numbers are huge.....that's crazy IMHO.

[Goal Line Stand]

In rereading your post, Raiderguy, let me add one thing.  It sounds like you might be making the arguement in the context of a player who has chosen a program that has an unlimited roster and then it is converted to 99 after he has been there a year or two.  If so, I agree, that would suck.  I am thinking about it in the context of incoming freshman knowing the deal and the 99 man roster before they make their choice.

[raiderguy]

I just think if you have the desire to play and put in the work you deserve to be a part of the team. Put the boredom of the scout team aside if you want to particpate then let it happen. A JV schedule would help with support and development for the varsity too.

Do you cut seniors too or limit the number of freshman you bring in?

Do you think there is a relationship to successful programs and unlimited roster size? I would ask anyone from the WIAC if they're listening...would they like to have more than 100 players available for their teams? I realize they do pretty well as is but my guess is more would be better.

[RedmenFB44]

Is anyone else ready for September 2?

GO REDMEN!!!

[footballfan413]

I just think if you have the desire to play and put in the work you deserve to be a part of the team. Put the boredom of the scout team aside if you want to particpate then let it happen. A JV schedule would help with support and development for the varsity too.

Do you cut seniors too or limit the number of freshman you bring in?

Do you think there is a relationship to successful programs and unlimited roster size? I would ask anyone from the WIAC if they're listening...would they like to have more than 100 players available for their teams? I realize they do pretty well as is but my guess is more would be better.

I would bet that in some instances cutting a senior can happen, (but I would hope that this is avoided if at all possible) if the crop of incoming recruits is large and promising at that position.  But I would guess that freshmen are limited also when necessary.  I believe UWW had to do some pre-season/camp cutting this year (old and new players) because the championship run produced such a large interest from freshman and transfers.  Is there a correlation to success?  The WIAC certainly has not been very successful in post season play in recent years with the exception of UWW last year which is one criteria for judging success. Perennial powerhouses like MUC and SJE and Linfield are all unlimited rosters, aren't they? (although someone on the MIAC board said that Gags did a cut this summer,)  Hard to say. Most of the schools in D-3 are private and unlimited rosters, aren't they? So odds are that more champions would come from these types of programs just because of numbers, not that one system is better or worse.  My guess is that the WIAC coaches might love a few more boys to work with but anything over 120 is overkill. 

[redman04]

I do understand and appreciate that perspective but don't you think that if a roster is overblown, say 150 or more, there can't help but be a negative affect on the main playing core of the team?  Alot of mouths to feed, so to speak, so everyone gets a little less.

I don't think that they would get less, when you figure that each kid's tuition is around $25,000 a year.  The more money that a football coach can bring in the easer it is for him to justify a large budget and spending lots of money.  Example: if there is 150 kids on a team times $25,000 a year that is $3,750,000 a year in just football tuitions.  A head coach could go to the AD and say I need a $750,000 budget which is less than a third of what I bring in. 

[79jaybird]

The subject of "too many players and such" is getting rather old.  
Are there any other more "exciting"  topics to discuss leading up to September 2.  I agree with Redmen that 9/2 can't arrive soon enough!
Does anybody know off the top of their heads,  what the CCIW's overall winning percentage is for non-conference games?  There is one, long way to find out, but if anybody knows...
just a wild stab, I would think the CCIW has a winning percentage of at least 60-65% of their non conf. games.

[devildog29]

jaybird, I would agree.  My guess is the CCIW has won around 2/3 of their non-conference games (excluding playoffs).

[footballfan413]

I do understand and appreciate that perspective but don't you think that if a roster is overblown, say 150 or more, there can't help but be a negative affect on the main playing core of the team?  Alot of mouths to feed, so to speak, so everyone gets a little less.

I don't think that they would get less, when you figure that each kid's tuition is around $25,000 a year.  The more money that a football coach can bring in the easer it is for him to justify a large budget and spending lots of money.  Example: if there is 150 kids on a team times $25,000 a year that is $3,750,000 a year in just football tuitions.  A head coach could go to the AD and say I need a $750,000 budget which is less than a third of what I bring in. 

By, "getting less," I was referring to things like, less time on the field, less coaches attention, less opportunities to earn a starting spot, etc.  And I am pretty sure that athletic budgets are not calculated this way.  Don't think the basketball coaches (or any coaches with much smaller rosters,) would stand for it!