FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[CarollFan]

Been watching North Central's game and they shared stats of the Susquehanna running back and how he is third in yardage in the nation...but  now against North Central he will be lucky to get 20 yards. It is frustrating to have to compare CCIW and WIAC stats with teams from other conferences. My son has had great stats for 4 years in the CCIW but he had to fight for all the yards -
his body carries the mileage and our hospital bills have too! I would love to see the stats that NCC and Wheaton teams would get playing in other conferences.

I and just venting because this game is a total beat down! Embarrassing!

Stats can definitely be misleading when you play in a below-average/average conference like the Landmark. I really only pay attention to the stats among those in the top 10 or so conferences in D3 because beyond them, their top teams and top players are mainly rolling against cupcake teams. 

Last week, when I saw Susquehanna would play NCC rather than Bethel, I suspected it would be a beatdown today. To beat NCC, you need to have a dominant D-Line...a D-Line that can make Lehnen uncomfortable. Statistically, Susquehanna was 3rd in the nation in total offense and 131st-best in total defense and 219th in passing Defense. Their defense is average at best and doesn't put much pressure on the quarterback. Today's game reminded me alot of the NCC-NPU game earlier this year and much of that had to do with how dominant NCC's D-line looked today and the physicality of their DBs made Susquehanna's WRs seem uncomfortable (Dropped passes and little to no separation). 

Bethel would've been a better match-up as they are a team that puts alot of pressure on the QB, although Lehnen and the RBs would've run wild against Bethel as their LBs don't have the speed needed to deal with NCC's running game once they hit the 2nd level. It still would've resulted in a win with at least a 3 TD differential for NCC but at least half the game would've been interesting to watch.

 

I know Mount Union D is better than  Susquehanna but Mount gave up 531 yards to a team known for their D, John Hopkins. Are they going to stop NCC? Like people mentioned earlier too NCC's D has been dominant last 2 games. We'll see how it plays out

[Pat Coleman]

Some folks were saying Susquehanna was this years Cortland.

I don't remember anyone saying that. I asked it as a question prior to the game. I'm pretty sure no one predicted Susquehanna getting shut out.

Usee I wasn't referring to you or anyone on this board. Heard it on the podcasts and  X.  Happy holidays everyone.

Not on our podcast. All we said was that Susquehanna had the right to see itself in that light.

[Thunderdome21]

Been watching North Central's game and they shared stats of the Susquehanna running back and how he is third in yardage in the nation...but  now against North Central he will be lucky to get 20 yards. It is frustrating to have to compare CCIW and WIAC stats with teams from other conferences. My son has had great stats for 4 years in the CCIW but he had to fight for all the yards -
his body carries the mileage and our hospital bills have too! I would love to see the stats that NCC and Wheaton teams would get playing in other conferences.

I and just venting because this game is a total beat down! Embarrassing!

Stats can definitely be misleading when you play in a below-average/average conference like the Landmark. I really only pay attention to the stats among those in the top 10 or so conferences in D3 because beyond them, their top teams and top players are mainly rolling against cupcake teams. 

Last week, when I saw Susquehanna would play NCC rather than Bethel, I suspected it would be a beatdown today. To beat NCC, you need to have a dominant D-Line...a D-Line that can make Lehnen uncomfortable. Statistically, Susquehanna was 3rd in the nation in total offense and 131st-best in total defense and 219th in passing Defense. Their defense is average at best and doesn't put much pressure on the quarterback. Today's game reminded me alot of the NCC-NPU game earlier this year and much of that had to do with how dominant NCC's D-line looked today and the physicality of their DBs made Susquehanna's WRs seem uncomfortable (Dropped passes and little to no separation). 

Bethel would've been a better match-up as they are a team that puts alot of pressure on the QB, although Lehnen and the RBs would've run wild against Bethel as their LBs don't have the speed needed to deal with NCC's running game once they hit the 2nd level. It still would've resulted in a win with at least a 3 TD differential for NCC but at least half the game would've been interesting to watch.

 

I know Mount Union D is better than  Susquehanna but Mount gave up 531 yards to a team known for their D, John Hopkins. Are they going to stop NCC? Like people mentioned earlier too NCC's D has been dominant last 2 games. We'll see how it plays out

Just finished watching the MU-JH game. Most of what MU gave up was in the passing game (393 yds). JH's receivers exploited matchups throughout the game as MU's corners are both 5-8. Also there were 2-3 big plays where the WILL linebacker couldn't cover JH's best receiver and got burned. Most of JH's running game was its QB scrambling, where he got multiple 1st downs to extend drives. Judging by this game, there is no way that MU will be able to slow down NCC's offense. But they won't be overwhelmed at the same level as Susquehanna either. They have too much speed, although I think Lehnen runs for at least 150 unless MU decides to spy him. You pick your poison against NCC's offense, especially in the run game.

On offense, MU basically was able to do whatever they wanted. JH couldn't stop their run game, which opened the passing game. Hardly any pressure. Even when there was some pressure, MU's QB seemed very poised. MU has much more speed in their skill positions than Susquehanna and possibly more speed than any team NCC has faced this year. I predict that NCC's defense will still make several stops against MU that JH couldn't make, especially against the run, and NCC wins by at least 17 pts.   

[Nate Riley]

A question to any D3 football historian,
Luke Lehnen is scheduled to start at Qb in his 4th consecutive stagg bowl. Is he in rarified air or has this been done before?

[CarollFan]

Highlights of NCC TD's from yesterday.

https://youtu.be/ImfC_2MkksI?si=xhomVFLT-3NXZsZh

[CarollFan]

A question to any D3 football historian,
Luke Lehnen is scheduled to start at Qb in his 4th consecutive stagg bowl. Is he in rarified air or has this been done before?

No historian here but I'm guessing UWW and Mount Union may have had that happen as they met every year except 1 from 2005-2014.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_III_football_championship

[Pat Coleman]

A question to any D3 football historian,
Luke Lehnen is scheduled to start at Qb in his 4th consecutive stagg bowl. Is he in rarified air or has this been done before?

No historian here but I'm guessing UWW and Mount Union may have had that happen as they met every year except 1 from 2005-2014.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_III_football_championship

Kevin Burke started at QB in 2012, 2013 and 2014 but not in 2011. I don't think there's much likelihood anyone else did in that span. I also don't know much about those 1980s Augustana teams.

[augie77]

Those Augustana teams employed multiple quarterbacks during their 1983-86 championship run.  Defensive tackle Lynn Thomsen started every game during that run and graduated with a 49-0-1 w-l record and is in the College Football Hall of Fame.  The one tie was 0-0 versus Elmhurst in the 1986 season opener.  Augustana started the 1987 season 10-0 before losing to Dayton in the playoffs. The 60-game unbeaten streak remains a record across all divisions of college football.

[Augie6]

A question to any D3 football historian,
Luke Lehnen is scheduled to start at Qb in his 4th consecutive stagg bowl. Is he in rarified air or has this been done before?

No historian here but I'm guessing UWW and Mount Union may have had that happen as they met every year except 1 from 2005-2014.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_III_football_championship

Kevin Burke started at QB in 2012, 2013 and 2014 but not in 2011. I don't think there's much likelihood anyone else did in that span. I also don't know much about those 1980s Augustana teams.

We had 4 different QBs start in the 5 straight Stagg Bowls we played in.  Lance Hofer in 82, Jay Penney in 83, Kirk Bednar in 84 and Greg Wallace in 85 and 86.  Kirk Bednar was a sophomore in 84, but blew out his knee early in the 85 season and was out of the rest of the year.  He came back in 86 and was splitting time with Wallace, but had another knee injury which knocked him out for the rest of the season.

[Kovo]

I played against all four of those guys.  Hofer was probably the best, and the most feared as he transferred from Illinois with some fanfare and led them to their 1st National Championship game.  After that, Augie became the destination school in the CCIW.  IMHO though, Penny still stands out in my mind as the best of the bunch.  Of course, running Wing-T left their stats lacking, especially compared to this era.

[Gregory Sager]

A question to any D3 football historian,
Luke Lehnen is scheduled to start at Qb in his 4th consecutive stagg bowl. Is he in rarified air or has this been done before?

No historian here but I'm guessing UWW and Mount Union may have had that happen as they met every year except 1 from 2005-2014.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_III_football_championship

Kevin Burke started at QB in 2012, 2013 and 2014 but not in 2011. I don't think there's much likelihood anyone else did in that span. I also don't know much about those 1980s Augustana teams.

We had 4 different QBs start in the 5 straight Stagg Bowls we played in.  Lance Hofer in 82, Jay Penney in 83, Kirk Bednar in 84 and Greg Wallace in 85 and 86.  Kirk Bednar was a sophomore in 84, but blew out his knee early in the 85 season and was out of the rest of the year.  He came back in 86 and was splitting time with Wallace, but had another knee injury which knocked him out for the rest of the season.

For those of you who don't follow other CCIW sports, Greg Wallace has been Augustana's head baseball coach for the past 27 years.

[Augie6]

I played against all four of those guys.  Hofer was probably the best, and the most feared as he transferred from Illinois with some fanfare and led them to their 1st National Championship game.  After that, Augie became the destination school in the CCIW.  IMHO though, Penny still stands out in my mind as the best of the bunch.  Of course, running Wing-T left their stats lacking, especially compared to this era.

Didn't get to play with Lance as he graduated the year before I got to Augie, but would agree he was probably the most talented of the bunch.  Jay had actually played QB in the 1980 and 1981 seasons (Lance transferred for the 81 season), and then played some WR in the 1982 season.  Jay teamed up on several key pass plays during the 83 season with his high school teammate (and another Illinois transfer), Norm Singbush, including the winning TD in the 83 Stagg Bowl.

Kirk had a great sophomore year and was a pretty talented passer, although probably not as athletic as Lance or Jay.  Would have loved to see what he could have done his JR and SR years if he had stayed healthy. Greg didn't even play his freshman year (84), instead playing basketball and baseball. He stepped up in a big way when Kirk went down in 85, throwing the winning TD against Mt. Union in the 85 Quarters and helping us to win our 3rd and 4th championships.

All were very smart QBs and understood how to effectively run the wing-T.  Of course, both Lance and Jay played for Coach Reade at Geneseo, so they had a pretty good headstart coming into Augie. 

[devildog29]

Announcement Thursday. 

[cciwman]

Norm is returning with a new 4 year deal.

[devildog29]

Norm is returning with a new 4 year deal.

Is Norm in the room with you right now?