FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[redman04]

um, no mugsy if you will learn how to read, beacuse I know that can be hard sometimes for you. i said that he has 11.5 sacks with only 16 total tackles, leaving him with a whopping 4.5 tackles total in 5 games, not very impressive. I did not confuse the two studemugsy brothers, sorry!!!

A sack counts as a tackle if you were unaware of that!!!

hey ncc spam,

why don't you crawl back under your rock and come out in another couple decades. No one one here cares that you are bitter your team lost and feel a need to avenge that by bashing the best defensive player in the league on the best team. If you want to be additive to the conversation by all means go for it. you want to talk about the great players on your team (kniss, studeman, sulo(s), hammers, wenger). ncc has a bright future.

Let it go. Studebaker is dominant and you don't want to admit that. so be it. Let it go.

Studebaker is a great player.  I thought that last year when I saw him play!

I have a great idea if you want to debate Andrew Studebaker over and over and over again, start a seperate page for that.

And now back to CCIW action.  Can Elmhurst run the ball on NCC???  They did against Carthage.

[redman04]

Reidy,
3 years with Norm's Hat and three straight against the Green Weenies Coincidence??? I think Not!  8)

When all is said and done does everyone believe we will have two teams in the playoffs again this year?  Will they be able to compete?

I hope we will have two, but I doubt it.  I think that the CCIW champion will do well until we hit the annual road block named Mount Union!

[usee]

um, no mugsy if you will learn how to read, beacuse I know that can be hard sometimes for you. i said that he has 11.5 sacks with only 16 total tackles, leaving him with a whopping 4.5 tackles total in 5 games, not very impressive. I did not confuse the two studemugsy brothers, sorry!!!

A sack counts as a tackle if you were unaware of that!!!

hey ncc spam,

why don't you crawl back under your rock and come out in another couple decades. No one one here cares that you are bitter your team lost and feel a need to avenge that by bashing the best defensive player in the league on the best team. If you want to be additive to the conversation by all means go for it. you want to talk about the great players on your team (kniss, studeman, sulo(s), hammers, wenger). ncc has a bright future.

Let it go. Studebaker is dominant and you don't want to admit that. so be it. Let it go.

Studebaker is a great player.  I thought that last year when I saw him play!

I have a great idea if you want to debate Andrew Studebaker over and over and over again, start a seperate page for that.

And now back to CCIW action.  Can Elmhurst run the ball on NCC???  They did against Carthage.

I think the NCC/Elmhurst game is going to have a lot of offense from both sides. I think NCC is too high powered for Elmhurst in the end and I predict

NCC 35
Elm 21

[Mugsy]

um, no mugsy if you will learn how to read, beacuse I know that can be hard sometimes for you.

I make a few mistakes trying to interpret what someone is trying to say while reading posts too quickly at work and then you go ahead and make personal attacks.  Real classy.  Almost everyone else on this board has the ability to disagree, point out mistakes, argue points, but yet keep a level of respect.  That is until you showed up...

You are so right.  Graduating from both Wheaton and North Central and I still don't know how to read.

Now that you have made me aware of Studebakers horrible stats, I can see clearly.  Even though the performance on the field implies he could be an All-American, he in fact really, really stinks!  Wheaton has no chance in the remainder of their games, except for a slim possibility against NPU.  

[Dennis_Prikkel]

Chuck Burgoon punted for North Park?

I don't think so.

The three-time unanimous all-CCIW pick, third round draft choice of the Minnesota Vikings and one of the few CCIW players to appear in the College All-Star Game in Chicago never punted in the 27 games I saw him play.

He was CCIW conference champion shot putter in track one year, though.

I happened to see Chuck's high school photo on a visit to Mundelein HS last fall.  He still lives there.

MW

[usee]

Almost everyone else on this board has the ability to disagree, point out mistakes, argue points, but yet keep a level of respect.  That is until you showed up...

Mugsy,

Unfortunately I Have to disagree with this fine post. It should be noted that I have been around here far too long and rarely am i able to keep any levels of respect.

[Mugsy]

I can almost guarantee that "studemugsy" aka studebaker, because mugsy and studebaker are now a duo will have no affect if augie runs the ball, which they always do. I don't believe that "Studemugsy" will have any affect unless Augie decides to pass the ball then he might pick up a sack possibly. Thats only if his "boy toy" mugsy is at the game to give him a hug after he gets that sack on the sidelines.

Case in point of a really classy, informative post from "ncc_cardinal_fan"...

Instead of just stating that you don't think Wheaton will be effective in stopping Augie's rushing attack and formulate a sound argument based on reasoning and facts (or even a hunch), you revert to name calling and inaccurate innuendo.  Real nice.

[Mugsy]

Almost everyone else on this board has the ability to disagree, point out mistakes, argue points, but yet keep a level of respect.  That is until you showed up...

Mugsy,

Unfortunately I Have to disagree with this fine post. It should be noted that I have been around here far too long and rarely am able to keep any levels of respect.

LOL... fair enough.  And as board scapegoat, I foster anything but respect.  

But at least we make arguments and discussion without personal attacks.

[Mugsy]

I have a great idea if you want to debate Andrew Studebaker over and over and over again, start a seperate page for that.

And now back to CCIW action.  Can Elmhurst run the ball on NCC???  They did against Carthage.

redman04,
I'm done with it... my apologies.

Yes, it is quite possible Elmhurst will be able to run the ball on NCC.  IMO, North Centrals defense is not what it was last year.  Both Wheaton and Concordia(Wis) were quite succesful establishing the running game against North Central and I don't think it is a coincidence that both of those games were "L" for the Cardinals.

That said... I too believe that NCC has too much firepower on offense and should be able to overcome any Elmhurst gets going on the ground.

[Gregory Sager]

Chuck Burgoon punted for North Park?

I don't think so.

The three-time unanimous all-CCIW pick, third round draft choice of the Minnesota Vikings and one of the few CCIW players to appear in the College All-Star Game in Chicago never punted in the 27 games I saw him play.

He was CCIW conference champion shot putter in track one year, though.

I happened to see Chuck's high school photo on a visit to Mundelein HS last fall.  He still lives there.

The Phys Plant shop on Foster Avenue has pictures on the wall of several of the Vikings stars of that era, including Burgoon, and one day when I happened to be in the shop one of the Phys Plant outdoor crew guys told me that Minnesota drafted Burgoon primarily as a punter.

This serves me right for believing someone who spends eight hours a day inhaling gasoline and de-icer fumes.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

I have several great Burgoon stories - one of which involved going to a Bulls vs the Celtics game with six other guys in one car - one of our guys was an outspoken Boston Celtics fan and spent most of the game in the nearly empty Chicago Stadium screaming obsceneties at Jerry Sloan for hacking John Havlichek.  When one disgruntled Bulls fan came over to more than voice his displeasure at our friend's Massachusetts accent - he was met by Burgoon - who stated menacingly that his friend could say anything he wanted - the Bulls fan sheepishly agreed.

One of the funniest Burgoon stories was watching this muscle-bound guy woefully try to swing a softball bat - it was sadly very funny - but not that you would call Chuck's attention to it.

MW

As to the 104-32 game - current North Park VP for Development Dan Tepke, was an offensive lineman on that NPC squad - but I don't know if he played that day there was so many guys not suited up.

[Augie6]

Not to prolong the debate about Studebaker, just wanted to add my "two cents".  Stat's can be very misleading when it comes to a defensive player, particularly on the D-line.  Studebaker's total tackles stat may not be that impressive, but I wonder how many coaches are game planning against him with double teams on almost every play.  11.5 sacks in 5 games is unbelievable production from a DE. 

We had a DT at Augie in the mid-80's (Lynn Thomsen) whose tackle statistics weren't all that impressive, but if you asked anyone who played or coached against him, they will all tell you what a great player he was.  Opposing coaches would design offensive game plans with his presence in mind.  Regardless of statistics, when coaching staffs take into account the abilities of a single player into their game plans, it says alot about the talent of that player.

This weekend should be a good test for Wheaton's D, as Augie seems to have gotten their offense back on track.  Hopefully, we won't see a repeat of the B-W game where Augie's offense was absolutely horrible.  I believe the winner of this game will end up as the CCIW champ and will represent the conference in the playoffs. 

Go Augie.

[Mugsy]

We had a DT at Augie in the mid-80's (Lynn Thomsen) whose tackle statistics weren't all that impressive, but if you asked anyone who played or coached against him, they will all tell you what a great player he was.  Opposing coaches would design offensive game plans with his presence in mind.  Regardless of statistics, when coaching staffs take into account the abilities of a single player into their game plans, it says alot about the talent of that player.

Lynn Thomsen is certain in any discussion talking about all time great CCIW defensive linemen.  He truely was an incredible player.  I recall how much respect Coach Bishop and staff gave to him in preparing to play Augie.  If I'm not mistaken, he wasn't 100% in one of the Wheaton/Augie games I played in due to ankle or knee injury and he still was all over the place.

[Comet 14]

Congratulations "ncc-cardinal-fan" you are the only one on this board with less posts than Negative karma points. Your posts are so idiotic that North Central posters wont even side with you. As far as Studebaker is concerned most defenses are devised for D-linemen to take on blockers so linebackers can make plays. I am sure this is the case here. His sacks and tackles for loss speak for themselves.

[matblake]

I am really pumped for the Wheaton/Augie and Elmhurst/NCC games.  A Wheaton win clearly makes them the favorite to close out the season, i'm sure Augie has other plans.  A win by Elmhurst would put them in position to move into the top tier of the conference this year, a loss would make that much more elusive this year.   Great stuff coming up gang, looking forward to it!