FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[RedmenFB44]

Or maybe the other 3 games against CLC?    I do remember winning 40-20 our senior year.   

It's one of 4 wins in my four years of high school football so I'm gonna hold on to that game 

[Redmen96]

Sager
  You might not be that impressed with Coach Rucks at North Park but he did have a huge impact on the number of players there.  As for his job at Carthage, he took a team which was also a doormat and turned them into a winner and even a 5th ranked team in the country.  Now they are always in the discussion to be in the top half of the conference.  I believe I can speak for almost all "REDMEN" we are happy he is there.

[usee]

I don't have any insight on why they are rotating QB's I just know that 99.9% of the time it is a horrible idea. The only time I feel it is a good idea is if your season is over and you are trying to get 2 underclassmen some snaps.

as mentioned previously, Florida does this pretty successfully.

That said I believe rotating for a whole game is a bad idea. I think you start chupp, rotate Ullrich in for a couple series in first half and then go with your senior in crunch time.

[usee]

I was reading an earlier post about if 9-1 Wheaton would get in the play-offs. I think the conference as a whole is better that is why teams are not dominating. IMO a 9-1 Wheaton team ( or any other 9-1 CCIW team ) would make the play-offs.

How much do you know about the D3 playoffs? do you have any experience to back up your opinion?

[usee]

Make or Break Games:

Carthage v Augustana:  A loss doesn't rule out the Vikes from winning the conference title, but their extremely slim Pool C bid chances go poof. 

I think it is pretty clear that the ONLY team that has a prayer at a pool C bid from the CCIW is Wheaton. The only chance for Augie, NCC, Carthage are a conference championship and AQ (automatic qualifier). The committee will not take a 2 loss CCIW team as Pool C. they MIGHT take an OAC 2 loss team or even a WIAC 2 loss team but only after every other 1 loss team has been ruled out (and there are a lot of those out there right now--see "pool C" chat in "general football" on board)

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'll come to Comet's defense on this one (except for the "ANY other 9-1 team"!)  If Wheaton finishes 9-1 and is not the AQ, I think they are a NEAR lock for a C.

[usee]

I'll come to Comet's defense on this one (except for the "ANY other 9-1 team"!)  If Wheaton finishes 9-1 and is not the AQ, I think they are a NEAR lock for a C.

That's not a defense, that is an acknowledgement of fact. My point was to question on what experience he can make his claim. (he said IMO). He happens to be right.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Usee,

Sorry, I thought you were denigrating his prediction (especially when you followed up with "the ONLY team that has a prayer at a pool C" [emphasis added]).

[Red Reign]

If both Wheaton and NCC win out and there is a 3 way tie for first with Augie. Could they take in account that NCC had two losses to a (9-1) team as well as a (10-0) team, and played both teams fairly well.

I would assume Wheaton would get the auto bid (if theres a 3 way tie). But if they give the CCIW the at large bid, would they take that in account. I do not speak of Augie bc of the three losses.

[Tailgater]

Sager
  You might not be that impressed with Coach Rucks at North Park but he did have a huge impact on the number of players there.  As for his job at Carthage, he took a team which was also a doormat and turned them into a winner and even a 5th ranked team in the country.  Now they are always in the discussion to be in the top half of the conference.  I believe I can speak for almost all "REDMEN" we are happy he is there.

AMEN!!

[redman04]

Sager
  You might not be that impressed with Coach Rucks at North Park but he did have a huge impact on the number of players there.  As for his job at Carthage, he took a team which was also a doormat and turned them into a winner and even a 5th ranked team in the country.  Now they are always in the discussion to be in the top half of the conference.  I believe I can speak for almost all "REDMEN" we are happy he is there.

AMEN!!

I'll second that!!!  I love the man and what he has done is fantastic!  Redmen96 would know better than anyone, he was there with and without Rucks.

[CardinalAlum]

for the playoff fanatics here is another CCIW tiebreaker tidbit:

-suppose augie, ncc, wheaton finish tied. as mentioned, ncc would have to beat augie by more than 21 pts to get the AQ. IF NCC happened to beat augie by exactly 21 pts, they would be tied in the first 3 tie breakers with wheaton and the AQ would come down to the never used and little known 4th criteria: defensive yards among tied teams.

the plot thickens (I know all this analysis is premature but it is good stuff--we might not get to consider all this otherwise).

the 4th criteria wheaton gave up 276 yds to Augie and 422 to NCC for a 698 total. NCC gave up 407 to wheaton. This means that if NCC beats augie by exactly 21 pts they have to give up less than 291 yds in doing so.

the 5th criteria you ask?? random draw by the CCIW commish.

ok. I'm done.

Shark,

Usee spelled out the tiebreakers very clearly yesterday.  NCC does not get in with 2 losses unless they are the AQ.

[Gregory Sager]

Sager
  You might not be that impressed with Coach Rucks at North Park but he did have a huge impact on the number of players there.  As for his job at Carthage, he took a team which was also a doormat and turned them into a winner and even a 5th ranked team in the country.  Now they are always in the discussion to be in the top half of the conference.  I believe I can speak for almost all "REDMEN" we are happy he is there.

I never said that I wasn't impressed with Rucks during his NPU tenure. Quite the opposite. As I said the other day, I have a lot of respect for him, and that respect was earned as much during his days running the show at the corner of Foster and Albany as during his days afterwards at his alma mater.

What I said was that he did not make the Vikings competitive within the CCIW. His conference record as NPU's head coach bears that out. Better, yes; competitive, no.

[TitanBacker]

Were you playing or watching in the stands? 

A) First and foremost,  Elmhurst has to get their offense going and that starts with production from the QB.  Freund/LaFleur have struggled for 2 weeks.  I think they get it back together at home this week.
B) Marcus Dunlop-- He is the main workhorse for IWU  and is a great running back.  If he gets holes on offense, watchout b/c he can take over a game.  IMO, Dunlop is going to have trouble getting through the line because EC's D-Line is better than IWU's O-Line.
C) IWU's WR's vs. EC's DB's  during EC's 4-0 stretch the secondary was sharp, hitting hard, and there was nothing downfield.  In their 2 losses both Augie and NC found opportunities throwing the ball deep. 

Jaybird - I was playing in that game as a freshman.  Mostly special teams when we used them in the rain.

Dunlop is an enigma to me, something has to really light the fire in him and he'll play really well.  Watch for Ceisel and Musselman to be the main receivers for IWU.  Ceisel has great hands for a sophomore and seems to be the clutch receiver.  Musselman is big and strong and can go up and fight for a ball.  IMO, the keys to the game for IWU are the offensive line play and the defense.  If both play well, IWU takes home a W.  If not, then the birds stay alive.

[79jaybird]

Titanbacker-- good thoughts.  I agree.  When Elmhurst is functioning well, their defensive line is getting penetration, their linebackers are making plays, and the secondary is not getting beat with 3rd down conversions.  (We haven't seen this as often the last 2 weeks)
For IWU the "greatest need" is their O-Line to be strong and give the QB time in the pocket. 
I agree with you about Dunlop.  He is a great, elusive RB, but sporadic and not consistent.  (Hopefully he is the latter on Saturday    )
Despite the inclement weather forecast this is one of the most attended weekends of the year (HC) and there should be a good crowd on both sides.