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TitanBacker

I'm curious about this weekend's game in Bloomington with IWU facing NPU.  NPU seems to be hanging tough at times while IWU is having trouble finishing games.  How many believe that NPU may pull off an upset?

Personally, I believe IWU will take it but NPU won't be a pushover.  I'm almost betting that they're regarding this as their best chance for another win this season. 
"We are ready to fight for the green and the white of dear old Wesleyan,
For her honor and fame and her glorious name we will stand every loyal fan."

matblake

I think that North Park would probably mark this game down as their best shot.  However, after looking at North Park's scores v Millikin and Carthage which played IWU tough/beat IWU it is not looking good for the Vikings. 

Tailgater

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Quote from: usee on October 24, 2006, 01:02:01 AM


Well, since you appear to be poor at being a mind reader let me clarify two different things for you:

1-ANY defense who gives up 200 yds rushing vs. (insert any team name here) doesn't impress me as dominating.

2-even though my original comment had nothing to do with Carthage's offense (I certainly didn't come close to saying anything about their O-Line) now that you bring it up I do have my questions about the carthage offense.  O'Boyle is a playmaker and represents 70% of your offense. stop him and carthage hasn't shown they have anyone else. You can't win in this league without better production. I have no opinion about carthage's offensive line.

Yup, The Great Karnac I am not. Mind reading I don't attempt, I just respond to what is actually written :D

I know you did not specifically refer to Carthage's O-line when syaing "give up 200 rushing yds to an offense like Carthage"(negative connotation), but you must agree that 90% of the time, when an offense is being knocked for it's lack of productivity the first thing everyone points a finger at is the O-line. When an offense is clicking the skill position players tend to reap praise before the O-line. I'm a firm believer that the O-line is the main factor for an offense being good or poor.  I assume your comment ment that Augie's D let a mediocre O-line push them around for 200 yds thus Augie's D is not that great.

Yes O'Boyle accounts for a large part of the offense, but then the offense is designed for him to make an impact each game. Couple that with the fact that Carthage lost their #1 Fullback after week #2, their #1 receiver after week #4, their talented, speedy freshmen tailback who split time with Mengle after week #5 and you loose a lot of potential productivity. Yes..... this is where depth of rooster plays a role. Carthage has some talent that is improving with experience and someone new each week steps up to contribute. Tyson Mengle was an All-Conference back last season and is running behind the same 5 & 6 guys he did last year so we fans are expecting more from him. The load is on him to have some big games as he is now on the field the bulk of the offensive plays.

Mugsy

Quote from: Tailgater on October 24, 2006, 05:59:56 PM
I know you did not specifically refer to Carthage's O-line when syaing "give up 200 rushing yds to an offense like Carthage"(negative connotation), but you must agree that 90% of the time, when an offense is being knocked for it's lack of productivity the first thing everyone points a finger at is the O-line.

Yeah, the other 10% is TrueAugieAlum bashing the coaching staff.  ;D
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RedmenFB44

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TitanBacker -

Make sure you watch Crystal Lake Central in the playoffs this weekend  :P

Quote from: TitanBacker on October 24, 2006, 03:55:27 PM
I'm curious about this weekend's game in Bloomington with IWU facing NPU.  NPU seems to be hanging tough at times while IWU is having trouble finishing games.  How many believe that NPU may pull off an upset?

Personally, I believe IWU will take it but NPU won't be a pushover.  I'm almost betting that they're regarding this as their best chance for another win this season. 

IWU will win this game by 24. IWU has a soild offense that can move the ball on any defense. NPU will always put up a fight and not go away quietly but there is nothing to worry about TitanBacker  ;D
It's REDMEN not RED MEN

Tailgater

Quote from: Mugsy on October 24, 2006, 06:09:08 PM
Quote from: Tailgater on October 24, 2006, 05:59:56 PM
I know you did not specifically refer to Carthage's O-line when syaing "give up 200 rushing yds to an offense like Carthage"(negative connotation), but you must agree that 90% of the time, when an offense is being knocked for it's lack of productivity the first thing everyone points a finger at is the O-line.

Yeah, the other 10% is TrueAugieAlum bashing the coaching staff.  ;D

LOL.... you got that right!

Brick

Mugsy  Karma for that!!!

On a side note will someone please remind me how the White Sox are not representing the AL in the World Series....Detroit looks like garbage....against a tem the sox beat by almost 20!

Mr. Ypsi

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Quote from: AUGIE2000 on October 24, 2006, 11:25:06 PM
Mugsy  Karma for that!!!

On a side note will someone please remind me how the White Sox are not representing the AL in the World Series....Detroit looks like garbage....against a tem the sox beat by almost 20!

A2K, happy to remind you:

The White Sox are not representing the AL in the World Series because the Tigers (and the Twins) beat the snot out of them when it counted in September! ;D

Detroit also beat up on the Cards during the regular season (swept them, if I remember correctly).  This Series is far from over.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: matblake on October 24, 2006, 12:08:29 PM
Quote from: Mugsy on October 24, 2006, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: matblake on October 24, 2006, 10:32:22 AM
A disturbing pre-game ritual by the Bluejays has come to my attention from the article following the quote:

"Blue Jays have an interesting behavior called "anting." When they molt (birds lose feathers as they grow new ones), Blue Jays will pick up ants and rub them on their bodies. We do not know for sure why they do this, but our best guess is that something in the ants soothes their skin as the new feathers come in. Sometimes Blue Jays "ant" with other items, such as rotten fruit."   ;D

http://www.fcps.k12.va.us/StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/blue_jay.htm

LOL... you kill me with these every week!  Keep them coming in the weeks to come, though you have a challenge with the "Redmen", particularly if you must use the PC "Red Men" that the NCAA "encouraged" Carthage College to use.

To honor my favorite poster I vow not to use any sites that are deragatory or defaming to Native Americans, which I wouldn't want to do anyway but just thought that I would point that out.  Guess I better start my search now!

Not to do your homework for you or anything, MB, but you might want to use the "child sacrifice in ancient Carthage" angle:

http://www.crystalinks.com/carthage.html
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Redmen96

The sacrifice could be because the small children climb into bed with the parents every night,  and over long periods of time and a lack of sleep the parents have gone insane and offered the child to the gods in exchange for a night of peacefull rest.

Just a theory
We will always be REDMEN

Brick


redman04

Quote from: Redmen96 on October 25, 2006, 08:06:43 AM
The sacrifice could be because the small children climb into bed with the parents every night,  and over long periods of time and a lack of sleep the parents have gone insane and offered the child to the gods in exchange for a night of peacefull rest.

Just a theory

Sounds like you are speaking for first hand experience on that one!   :D
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TitanBacker

Quote from: RedmenFB44 on October 24, 2006, 06:16:29 PM
TitanBacker -

Make sure you watch Crystal Lake Central in the playoffs this weekend  :P

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CLC in the playoffs is crazy!!  What's next, will we find out that the world IS actually flat?! ;D  Best of luck to them this weekend in Batavia.
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Mugsy

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I want to preface the topic of this post by saying that I think recognition for personal achievement has merit, not only at the end of the season (All-Conference and All-American teams), but also on a week to week basis.

Second, I do not wish to take anything away from the individuals recognized as this weeks POW, both CCIW and D3Football.com "Team of the Week".

Third, I do not intend this comment to be a direct criticism of those who select these awards.  (I'm not losing sleep over this and I don't think it is a big issue at all)

That said... as general practice I find it odd to recognize players involved in games where the expected outcome is a blowout.  When there is a serious mismatch in talent it is much more logical that you will have some really inflated stats, both from the winning team due to putting on the "thumping" and also potentially for the losing team if starters continue to play when the opposition is playing their subs.

It seems to me those involved in much more competitive games might have had a much more significant affect on the outcoming, even if the stats aren't as "eye-popping".

Case in point:  A 3rd string RB from Wheaton wins the OPOW in the CCIW, but the opponent is North Park who is last in virtually every defensive category.  Brandon Watts, who is clearly one of the best receivers in the CCIW, receives "Team of the Week" honors and though he had a great game, some of his overall stats came against non-starters.

Again not a huge issue, but I'm curious as to what others of you think?
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CardinalAlum

Wow, it is getting scary! :o  I was thinking the same thing when I saw that Watts had been honored a couple of times this week.  I agree that he is a great player, but I'm not sure that his accomplishment is as good as others on teams that didn't get beat by 50 points!
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