FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[NCC_alum62]

Were our announcers wrong in stating that if NCC won by 21 and Wheaton, NCC, and Auggie won out that we would get a share of the conference title and the AQ?

I think the cardinals have two very tough games to be played (I know IWU has a bad record, but they still have talent and any given Saturday....) and Carthage is always a tough game whether its played at home or away.  That being said I think they can win those games.

I would love to see us go up to CUW for a play-off game...how fired up that defensive staff would be to try and do to CUW what they did to Auggie.  And I know the offense wants to avenge a poor first half performance.

[NCC_alum62]

How did my karma go to -5?  Did I do anything but congratulate my team? Did I say terrible things that were untrue?  Yikes I even said Auggie showed great sportsmanship at the end of the ame.  How was I anything but cordial?

[CardinalAlum]

Were our announcers wrong in stating that if NCC won by 21 and Wheaton, NCC, and Auggie won out that we would get a share of the conference title and the AQ?

They weren't wrong.  We control our own destiny.

[lakeshore]

titan backer -

Watts was out with a concussion for NP.  #12 is frosh running back kelvyn West.  The Vikes had almost all freshman on the field again due toto injuries.  I will say that yesterday's match up was most definitley the 2 cellar dwellers in the CCIW.  Many miscues and penalties but ultimately NP just gave up after only being down 3-0 at the half.  Disapointing.

[dansand]

Were our announcers wrong in stating that if NCC won by 21 and Wheaton, NCC, and Auggie won out that we would get a share of the conference title and the AQ?

They weren't wrong.  We control our own destiny.

But only if Augie doesn't lose again.

[Brick]

Well since I have nothing good to say about yesterday....


How Nasty are the bears right now???

[79jaybird]

From my playing and booth experiences  IWU @ home is tough no matter where the Titans are in the standings.  From a Cardinals' standpoint, I would be more worried about the Carthage game the final week of the year than IWU.  Carthage could beat anybody in the CCIW this year (IMO).
I was doing yard work and listening to the Bears (which BTW, just sounds like a massacre)  but thinking about how exciting this year has been that 3 teams are being discussed for the title/post season.  I would take 3-4 teams year in year out, duking it out, as opposed to one team (hint:  They are Iowa neighbors)  ALWAYS the lone dog at the top of the castle.

[79jaybird]

I would be intrigued by these 1st round matchups.
Hope vs. Wheaton @ McCully
NC vs. CUW   @ Mequon, WI
I think the Dutch are improving each week and would like a rematch with the Thunder.  Likewise, I think NC would like to avenge their loss to the Falcons also.

[usee]

Tough game at Wheaton today for a few reasons.  First and foremost, Elmhurst Offense was inconsistent again.  A great example is Rivers breaking away for 50+ yards into Wheaton territory. First and 10 inside the 15 yd line and the Jays call a delayed handoff inside??    Why the DELAY!!  Why give Studebaker and the big boys on Wheaton's D even more time to pin the RB's in the backfield. That to me is coaching, not the players.  The players are going by what the coaches "see" and I guess IMO I would have tried something else instead of those VERY PREDICTABLE delayed handoffs.
Case in point, when Wheaton led 7-0 and 14-0 Elmhurst had their chances in the RED ZONE and were moving the ball well, but each time the drive(s) fizzled out with turnovers and/or change of possessions.

rivers long run looked like the exact same play they called in the red zone on first down. Its not a bad play but really depends on the players you have and the ones you are going against. thats the same play wheaton used against ncc the whole second half where chaz black went wild. you can't blame that on the playcalling. its a combination of execution and talent. if you have the talent, you can call most any play and it will work.

[usee]

While it is true that anyone in the playoffs CAN go all the way, let's be honest.  Since the decline of the Augie dynasty in the late 1980s, the CCIW has not had a team LIKELY to go even to the semis.  MUC in the 80s dreamed of becoming Augie, planned to become Augie, and has since far surpassed what Augie was.

The CCIW is a very good conference.  The top 2-3 teams are regularly among the top 10% in d3.  But it has been a long time since our top could match up with THE TOP teams.  It seems like year-after-year we get a winnable first round game (and usually win), then go to Alliance for our annual butt-whipping.  But let's not just whine that it is because we are in the same region as Mt. Union.  The same thing would likely happen if we were in the West (going to Linfield, UWW, or St. John's) or the South (Hardin-Simmons or UMHB) - MAYBE the East.

My point is: we've just gotta step it up a notch (or three).  These national powers will wane a bit at some point; our top guys need to move up and take their place!

It is easily within my memory that MUC (and others) supplanted Augie; I hope I will still have a memory when the CCIW teams return the favor!

I couldn't disagree more strongly with this. to be clear: everyone who goes to alliance both during the season and in the playoffs gets whupped (ONU last year and UMHB a couple back excepted). MUC is whuppin everyone this year again. NCC played capital about as evenly as you could play a team in the playoffs last year. Wheaton beat BW in the playoffs a couple years back. Our top teams can compete with anyone else in the nation except MUC. And that's no different than everyone else in the nation for the most part.

I did think the CCIW is down this year but now I am not convinced. If we send NCC and Wheaton to the playoffs I have every reason to believe they will both make it to Alliance and fail (as will everyone--with their Defense they are not going to lose).

[usee]

Let's talk some hypotheticals. Let's say Augie doesn't get it done in Decatur. Now, assuming both Wheaton and North Central win out, the Thunder are the AQ. Where does NCC stand at 8-2? Augie in 2002 was the last two-loss non AQ in the CCIW and they didn't make the playoffs. Neither did 2001 co-champ IWU with two losses. In 2000, the Titans had only one loss and were tri-champs and still didn't make it. I think with the playoff expansion, the Cards would be pretty safe. Anyone think differently?

I don't think there is any way a 2 loss NCC gets in. last year they took capital w 2 losses and that was the first time a 2 loss pool C got in. I think there are too many 1 loss teams left and if it gets to 2 loss teams, the OAC will get one before we do.

I will say, though, that NCC should be strongly considered as their 2 losses would be to AQ teams.

[usee]

[It would be great for the Cardinals to get a playoff spot and travel to Concordia Wisconsin and avenge the season-opening loss.
Cardinal Skip

The committee is not real keen at 1st round rematches (it did happen to wheaton v alma a few years back) so I wouldn't count on that.

[usee]

Wow, my karma is dropping!!!!!!!

I'll give you three guesses ...

All I know is that everytime I disagree with 79Jaybird, I take a karma hit.

funny. I noticed the same thing.

doesn't matter....you should all follow my lead and be the Karma Klaus. Karma for all who post!!!!

[usee]

Were our announcers wrong in stating that if NCC won by 21 and Wheaton, NCC, and Auggie won out that we would get a share of the conference title and the AQ?

They weren't wrong.  We control our own destiny.

But only if Augie doesn't lose again.

DanSand is right. the only thing NCC doesnt control is Augie. if the vikes go in the tank NCC is done.

[dansand]

Let's talk some hypotheticals. Let's say Augie doesn't get it done in Decatur. Now, assuming both Wheaton and North Central win out, the Thunder are the AQ. Where does NCC stand at 8-2? Augie in 2002 was the last two-loss non AQ in the CCIW and they didn't make the playoffs. Neither did 2001 co-champ IWU with two losses. In 2000, the Titans had only one loss and were tri-champs and still didn't make it. I think with the playoff expansion, the Cards would be pretty safe. Anyone think differently?

I don't think there is any way a 2 loss NCC gets in. last year they took capital w 2 losses and that was the first time a 2 loss pool C got in. I think there are too many 1 loss teams left and if it gets to 2 loss teams, the OAC will get one before we do.

I will say, though, that NCC should be strongly considered as their 2 losses would be to AQ teams.

Thanks Usee. I wasn't sure what the history was for two-loss pool C candidates since the expansion.

DanSand is right. the only thing NCC doesnt control is Augie.

That's ironic considering what happened yesterday.