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[FormerCard]

Kam Kniss Career Passing Numbers through last weeks game

29 wins
9  losses  (missed start vs. wheaton soph year)

663  completions
1126  attempts

59% completion percentage

9158  Yards Passing

80 Touchdowns

Numbers are really good and the one that counts the most "W's"  is the most impressive stat

[Mugsy]

My rankings of best CCIW QB's of the last 25 yrs would be:

1. Keith Bishop Wheaton
2. Dave Weber Carroll
3. Lon Ericson IWU
4. Jeff Brown Wheaton
5. Kam Kniss NCC
6. Tom Monken IWU
7. John Rooney IWU
8. John Love NPU
9. Doug Moews IWU
10. Tim Hardy Wheaton
11. Tim Brylka Mill

Keith Bishop is a tough one. He is without question the tops based on stats alone but he was physically less talented than anyone else on this list. Very smart and accurate. Multiple 500+ yd passing games.

usee, great list.  I might shuffle a few around one spot here and there, but I agree with those you have listed.  I'd need to look back at the QB's over the past 25 years to see if I'd add any.  

Tough call on Keith Bishop, but I'd agree at keeping him at #1.  While not very agile, he rarely got sacked because of his ability to read defenses and a quick release.  His stats were mind-boggling because they occurred before the dramatic inflation of passing stats due to complex pass oriented schemes.  If I recall correctly, Keith was the 2nd player ever at any collegiate level to 10,000 yards passing.

Dave Weber has a stud.  Great athlete, great arm, great QB.  He was the toughest QB I ever faced.  He was tough to take down and could sling bb's onto a dime 50 yards away.  4th round draft choice to the Oakland Raiders.

[redman04]

My rankings of best CCIW QB's of the last 25 yrs would be:

1. Keith Bishop Wheaton
2. Dave Weber Carroll
3. Lon Ericson IWU
4. Jeff Brown Wheaton
5. Kam Kniss NCC
6. Tom Monken IWU
7. John Rooney IWU
8. John Love NPU
9. Doug Moews IWU
10. Tim Hardy Wheaton
11. Tim Brylka Mill

Keith Bishop is a tough one. He is without question the tops based on stats alone but he was physically less talented than anyone else on this list. Very smart and accurate. Multiple 500+ yd passing games.

Not being a Homer here but I think that Pat Brown has to be on that list.

[CardinalAlum]

My rankings of best CCIW QB's of the last 25 yrs would be:

1. Keith Bishop Wheaton
2. Dave Weber Carroll
3. Lon Ericson IWU
4. Jeff Brown Wheaton
5. Kam Kniss NCC
6. Tom Monken IWU
7. John Rooney IWU
8. John Love NPU
9. Doug Moews IWU
10. Tim Hardy Wheaton
11. Tim Brylka Mill

Keith Bishop is a tough one. He is without question the tops based on stats alone but he was physically less talented than anyone else on this list. Very smart and accurate. Multiple 500+ yd passing games.

Not being a Homer here but I think that Pat Brown has to be on that list.

I mentioned Pat as well.  What a great athlete he was!

[redman04]

My rankings of best CCIW QB's of the last 25 yrs would be:

1. Keith Bishop Wheaton
2. Dave Weber Carroll
3. Lon Ericson IWU
4. Jeff Brown Wheaton
5. Kam Kniss NCC
6. Tom Monken IWU
7. John Rooney IWU
8. John Love NPU
9. Doug Moews IWU
10. Tim Hardy Wheaton
11. Tim Brylka Mill

Keith Bishop is a tough one. He is without question the tops based on stats alone but he was physically less talented than anyone else on this list. Very smart and accurate. Multiple 500+ yd passing games.

Not being a Homer here but I think that Pat Brown has to be on that list.

I mentioned Pat as well.  What a great athlete he was!

Patrick Brown (1999-2002) finished his Carthage career ranked first in total offensive yards (5,345), first in passing yardage (4,253) and first in touchdown passes (42).  Brown set five season record in 2000 with 1,970 total offensive yards, 1,696 passing yards, 263 passing attempts, 139 completions and 20 touchdown passes.  He threw for at least 150 yards in 11 games between 2000 and 2002 set a Carthage game record with six touchdown passes versus North Park University on Nov. 11, 2000.  Brown was named second-team All-CCIW in both 2000 and 2002.
----From the Carthage Website

[FormerCard]

Kam Kniss Career Passing Numbers through last weeks game

29 wins
9  losses  (missed start vs. wheaton soph year)

663  completions
1126  attempts

59% completion percentage

9158  Yards Passing

80 Touchdowns

Numbers are really good and the one that counts the most "W's"  is the most impressive stat

Pretty decent numbers dont you agree  Usee, Mugsy, Cardalum, and anyone else.  I think he will need about 4 more games to hit the 10,000 plateau. 

[Mugsy]

Kam Kniss Career Passing Numbers through last weeks game

29 wins
9  losses  (missed start vs. wheaton soph year)

663  completions
1126  attempts

59% completion percentage

9158  Yards Passing

80 Touchdowns

Numbers are really good and the one that counts the most "W's"  is the most impressive stat

Pretty decent numbers dont you agree  Usee, Mugsy, Cardalum, and anyone else.  I think he will need about 4 more games to hit the 10,000 plateau. 

You don't need to convince me.  I've been in full agreement on Kniss for the past 2 years.  That is why I've been so adamant stating that you don't replace a QB like Kniss.  Chances are there will be a drop off offensively for NCC next year (may not be severe, but I think there will be), even if they have a good prospect coming in.  He is a 4 year starter, with exceptional skills and leadership.  You just don't find that very often in D3 football, in fact there are only 3-5 QB's like that in all of D3 football each year, IMO.

[FormerCard]

I wasnt really trying to convince anyone, just a little bored at work for a change and thought that some D3 talk would be a wonderful changeup

[TitanBacker]

All Conference picks?  Still a little early with 2 weeks and some big matchups left to play but here is what I would name if I was the voter
pos.  1st team       2nd team           3rd team
QB     Kniss             Panno                 Chupp
RB     Wallick           Black                  Dunlop
WR    Haldeman      Cooley Jr.          Chupp/Young
TE     Klein               Augie's TE

Let's get real. Klein may get consideration at OT but not TE. He has 0 receptions for the season. Stuedeman  is 2nd in the conference in receptions per game, 4th in reception yardage, and tied for first in points. Technically, he plays the H-Back position but lines up at TE as well. The CCIW coaches will find a place for him on the All Conference team.

No chance that both Cooley and Young get All Conference consideration. You'll be lucky to get one of them. Ceisel was All Conference last year as a freshman, He will repeat this year.

When you say Klein has no receptions, do you mean in conference games or overall?  I've seen IWU play and he had receptions in the game.  Also, if Studemann plays tight end and H back, how well does he block?  A quality tight end should be able to do both very well.  As a former tight end, I do believe that Studemann would fit better in the wide receiver category while Klein is a pure tight end. 

Also, to whomever said that Brandon Watts shoudl be a first team wide receiver, my question is why?  He is an above average player on a very below average team.  IMO, he has so many receptions because he is the QBs go to guy since he has very few others to spread the ball to.  Ceisel and Chupp and Studemann have other good wide receiver teammates that get the ball very often.  Therefore, I would pick them over Watts as first and second teamers.

[matblake]

Also, to whomever said that Brandon Watts shoudl be a first team wide receiver, my question is why?  He is an above average player on a very below average team.  IMO, he has so many receptions because he is the QBs go to guy since he has very few others to spread the ball to.  Ceisel and Chupp and Studemann have other good wide receiver teammates that get the ball very often.  Therefore, I would pick them over Watts as first and second teamers.

IMO, it doesn't matter whether a guy has 5 other potential all conference players on his same team in the same position, if the guy has all conference numbers, he has all conference numbers.  As has been said before, Watts has been able to do it despite teams keying off of him.  Someone said that he had a shot at being the All Conference Return Specialist. 

The debate of accolades for a good player on a weak team vs a good player on a good team happens every year. 

[TitanBacker]

Also, to whomever said that Brandon Watts shoudl be a first team wide receiver, my question is why?  He is an above average player on a very below average team.  IMO, he has so many receptions because he is the QBs go to guy since he has very few others to spread the ball to.  Ceisel and Chupp and Studemann have other good wide receiver teammates that get the ball very often.  Therefore, I would pick them over Watts as first and second teamers.

IMO, it doesn't matter whether a guy has 5 other potential all conference players on his same team in the same position, if the guy has all conference numbers, he has all conference numbers.  As has been said before, Watts has been able to do it despite teams keying off of him.  Someone said that he had a shot at being the All Conference Return Specialist. 

The debate of accolades for a good player on a weak team vs a good player on a good team happens every year. 

If a guy is getting thrown to 95% of the time, of course he's going to have all conference numbers.  I agree that this debate happens every year, but that's because it's a very good debate and deals with the politics of football rather than just the numbers.  As a return specialist, that's very different than all conference as a wide receiver.  Either way, he seems like a great player, I just have to wonder because of the team he plays for...

[matblake]

Either way, he seems like a great player, I just have to wonder because of the team he plays for...

Can't argue with you on this point

[mr_b]

Either way, he seems like a great player, I just have to wonder because of the team he plays for...

Can't argue with you on this point

It's also a queston of the teams he is playing against.  He's gaining all these yards and making all these catches against stronger CCIW foes and their defenses... we don't discount yards racked up by good players against weaker teams, so why should the converse apply?  We shouldn't hold that aginst Watts when considering him for All-CCIW honors.

[CardinalAlum]

It's also a queston of the teams he is playing against.  He's gaining all these yards and making all these catches against stronger CCIW foes and their defenses...   

Yes and no, he is gaining all of these yards early in a game against stronger CCIW foes.  As the games wear on and the score becomes more lopsided, the 2nd and 3rd string defenders start to see time.

[79jaybird]

CardinalAlum-- Yes I was 9 years old at the time and my Father took me to a Wheaton game.  It was kind of odd how we managed to get there.  My Father had a client in Wheaton and they didn't know what to do (because my Father was babysitting  )  so we went to Wheaton to watch a game.  That was my first taste of D-3 football.
Mr. Ypsi-- there is a strong possibility ( I hope this doesn't happen), that Elmhurst might have a let down next year. We graduate 18 very productive Seniors that have more wins in their 4 years at Elmhurst since the Class of 1985.  I think Elmhurst is is the same boat as North Central with graduation losses and questions for 2007.  How do you replace ______ at key positions?  Augie and Wheaton seem to replenish themselves adequately each year.  Only up until recently have EC and NC been able to be perennially strong.
Over all Mr. Ypsi  I think Elmhurst is on the upswing mostly because there is a new regime that is fighting to get into the upper 1/3 of the conference.  It started with the new Coach (new beginning), new facilities, a new defensive system, goals that are small but attainable year in/year out.  etc.