FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[matblake]

I think the consensus would be that the CCIW is a bit down as compared to recent years.  Unfortunately for your poster, SF, IWU would not be considered a top of the line CCIW team this year.  As recently as 4 or 5 years ago they would have been.  From the reports that I heard, MSJ handled the Titans pretty easily.  The Titans CCIW wins this year came at the expense of North Park and Millikin who have a combined record of 3-13, and the Millikin win was in overtime.  They collapsed against Carthage big time, and although they have some talent they haven't put it all together this year. IWU also beat Olivet which has been competitive in the MIAA this year.

[Tailgater]

Well lets really turn this conference AQ thing on its head and go back to a distant thought. If Carthage beats Wheaton & NCC the next two weeks and Augie stumbles in Decator, who does that leave as the AQ from the CCIW? If that should occur you can punt any thought of a pool C bid from a second CCIW team.

Now I'm not suggesting this will happen, but stranger things have occured in this game we all love. Carthage is completely racked with injuries at many key possitions so that makes the possibility even more difficult or unlikely. If they can get it done, it would certainly be an accomplishment well desirved.

[matblake]

Here are this weeks Make or Break games:

Wheaton v Carthage-  Carthage is good at home, but that is also where Elmhurst beat them.  If the Carthage O shows up to play things might get interesting.  Carthage I'm sure is looking for some respect after being glossed over most of the season.  Wheaton must win the next 2 to solidify their Pool C chances.  There is always the memory of last years loss to IWU.  Will the nerves get the best of the Thunder?  Will Carthage continue to show the never say die attitude they demonstrated in the IWU game?  

Elmhurst v Millikin-  Make or break moreso for the jays.  Another loss puts them right back into 6-4 overall and 4-3 in conference territory (assuming a win against NP next week).  Some of the games may have been more competitive, but at the end of the day Elmhurst would be right back in the area they have been the past several years if they lose.  Millikin I'm sure is looking to prove they have what it takes to compete in the CCIW.  That could start with a win this week (and hopefully a win next week too  ).

NCC v IWU-  The Titans have a big chance to play spoilers.  Posters have said all year that IWU could pull a surprise ala against Wheaton last year.  The Cardinals cannot let that happen.  A loss eliminates them from the playoffs entirely.  Will Kniss be able to sustain his high level of play?  Will IWU be able to put a complete game together?  

[Mugsy]

Here are this weeks Make or Break games:

Wheaton v Carthage-  Carthage is good at home, but that is also where Elmhurst beat them.  If the Carthage O shows up to play things might get interesting.  Carthage I'm sure is looking for some respect after being glossed over most of the season.  Wheaton must win the next 2 to solidify their Pool C chances.  There is always the memory of last years loss to IWU.  Will the nerves get the best of the Thunder?  Will Carthage continue to show the never say die attitude they demonstrated in the IWU game?  
his high level of play?  Will IWU be able to put a complete game together?  

IMO, the key for Wheaton is this week in Kenosha.  They need to come out fast & sharp on the road, as opposed to what they did in Rock Island.   They need to be aggressive and take Carthage out of it as soon as possible - I know... much easier said than done against a tough (though injury depleated) Red Men squad.  I would feel really good about Wheaton's playoff chances if Wheaton defeats Carthage this weekend.

Facing IWU at McCully Field where Wheaton is really strong against a team that severely stung them last year, I think Wheaton will have some payback in mind and will have zero chance at coming out flat.  Wheaton will seriously take care of business against IWU.

[CardinalAlum]

Well lets really turn this conference AQ thing on its head and go back to a distant thought. If Carthage beats Wheaton & NCC the next two weeks and Augie stumbles in Decator, who does that leave as the AQ from the CCIW? If that should occur you can punt any thought of a pool C bid from a second CCIW team.

Now I'm not suggesting this will happen, but stranger things have occured in this game we all love. Carthage is completely racked with injuries at many key possitions so that makes the possibility even more difficult or unlikely. If they can get it done, it would certainly be an accomplishment well desirved.

Sounds like a question that Usee would have the answer for.

[Mugsy]

Well lets really turn this conference AQ thing on its head and go back to a distant thought. If Carthage beats Wheaton & NCC the next two weeks and Augie stumbles in Decator, who does that leave as the AQ from the CCIW? If that should occur you can punt any thought of a pool C bid from a second CCIW team.

If this happens, forget any pool C team from the CCIW.

[CardinalAlum]

Well lets really turn this conference AQ thing on its head and go back to a distant thought. If Carthage beats Wheaton & NCC the next two weeks and Augie stumbles in Decator, who does that leave as the AQ from the CCIW? If that should occur you can punt any thought of a pool C bid from a second CCIW team.

If this happens, forget any pool C team from the CCIW.

Can you say "Hello, Alliance"

[TitanBacker]

Here are this weeks Make or Break games:

Wheaton v Carthage-  Carthage is good at home, but that is also where Elmhurst beat them.  If the Carthage O shows up to play things might get interesting.  Carthage I'm sure is looking for some respect after being glossed over most of the season.  Wheaton must win the next 2 to solidify their Pool C chances.  There is always the memory of last years loss to IWU.  Will the nerves get the best of the Thunder?  Will Carthage continue to show the never say die attitude they demonstrated in the IWU game?  
his high level of play?  Will IWU be able to put a complete game together?  

IMO, the key for Wheaton is this week in Kenosha.  They need to come out fast & sharp on the road, as opposed to what they did in Rock Island.   They need to be aggressive and take Carthage out of it as soon as possible - I know... much easier said than done against a tough (though injury depleated) Red Men squad.  I would feel really good about Wheaton's playoff chances if Wheaton defeats Carthage this weekend.

Facing IWU at McCully Field where Wheaton is really strong against a team that severely stung them last year, I think Wheaton will have some payback in mind and will have zero chance at coming out flat.  Wheaton will seriously take care of business against IWU.

I agree.  If Wheaton can beat Carthage this weekend then IWU will seriously have trouble with Wheaton at McCully.  I always hated that train!!

[Mugsy]

I agree.  If Wheaton can beat Carthage this weekend then IWU will seriously have trouble with Wheaton at McCully.  I always hated that train!!

Gotta use every advantage you can find!  A stupid train goes by about every 15 minutes.  It's gotta drive the visiting fans nuts.

[Mugsy]

Well lets really turn this conference AQ thing on its head and go back to a distant thought. If Carthage beats Wheaton & NCC the next two weeks and Augie stumbles in Decator, who does that leave as the AQ from the CCIW? If that should occur you can punt any thought of a pool C bid from a second CCIW team.

If this happens, forget any pool C team from the CCIW.

If this happens, forget any pool C team from the CCIW.    

What a dope!  I thought the last line of Tailgaters post was actually a question, but it was a statement, which I then repeated.

<Pan camera to Leslie Nielson entering the cockpit from the movie Airplane>
"Just thought you should know, we're all counting on you."

<2 minutes later>
"Just thought you should know, we're all counting on you."

[Mugsy]

If this happens, forget any pool C team from the CCIW.

[CardinalAlum]

If this happens, forget any pool C team from the CCIW.

It looks like you picked a bad time to stop sniffing glue! 

I can't believe I gave you a pass on that one!   

[usee]

Well lets really turn this conference AQ thing on its head and go back to a distant thought. If Carthage beats Wheaton & NCC the next two weeks and Augie stumbles in Decator, who does that leave as the AQ from the CCIW? If that should occur you can punt any thought of a pool C bid from a second CCIW team.

Now I'm not suggesting this will happen, but stranger things have occured in this game we all love. Carthage is completely racked with injuries at many key possitions so that makes the possibility even more difficult or unlikely. If they can get it done, it would certainly be an accomplishment well desirved.

Its a bit of a puzzler but I am pretty sure this would happen:

-agreed no chance for pool C

criteria is applied to a 4 way tie for AQ.

1st criteria is head to head and only carthage and augie would be 2-1 vs the others (wheaton and ncc eliminated)
at this point I am not 100% certain but I think it goes back to 1st criteria which give augie the AQ and we all go into hiding as they head to alliance for round 1.

option B is that the criteria goes to #2 for carthage and augie which is record against next best team not involved in theh tie. that still favors augie since that is likley to be elmhurst.

so, in this scenario Augie limps in as the cciw rep and its 1 and done for CCIW.

[matblake]

And don't call me Shirley........

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well lets really turn this conference AQ thing on its head and go back to a distant thought. If Carthage beats Wheaton & NCC the next two weeks and Augie stumbles in Decator, who does that leave as the AQ from the CCIW? If that should occur you can punt any thought of a pool C bid from a second CCIW team.

Now I'm not suggesting this will happen, but stranger things have occured in this game we all love. Carthage is completely racked with injuries at many key possitions so that makes the possibility even more difficult or unlikely. If they can get it done, it would certainly be an accomplishment well desirved.

Sounds like a question that Usee would have the answer for.

He did give the answer a few days ago.  If I recall correctly (and assuming he was right!), first tie-break would be h-t-h among the 4 teams: Wheaton and NCC would both be 1-2, and would be eliminated.  At that point it would revert to h-t-h between Augie and Carthage, so Augie would be the AQ.

I don't know for sure that this is correct (we've never had a 4-way tie in the AQ era!), but it sounds right to me.