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[CardinalAlum]

One last comment for the Wheaton Coaching staff and players. Saturday was the last home game for 21 Red Men seniors. Carthage has a tradional pre-game recognition ceremony to recognize the seniors for their commitment to the Carthage football program. Their teamates form a tunnel leading to mid-field. The seniors run through the tunnel while being introduced and meet their parents at mid-field on the Carthage emblem. On the Emblem, a keep-sake photo is taken of the player & parents which is charished by all for a life-time. Wheaton was running their  pre-game offensive sets at mid field and was politely asked to move up several yards off the mid-field emblem so photos could be taken. Wheaton refused to move and some of the players gave disgusting glares to the ladies (photographers) who had asked if the would move. I thought Wheaton was supposed to be a team that held itself up as having class and good character. I have certainly lost respect for them as they apparently don't practice what they preach. The seniors and parents have put a lot of time and effort into Carthage Football over the last 4 years. Thanks for ruinning our moment.

That is surprising.  Swider is as classy a guy as you will find in an opposing coach.

[cardinaldad]

Let's go Cards!!!! Let's go Augie!!!! Whoever would have thought that we would be pulling for an Augie win!!!!!! Unfortunately, after seeing IWU yesterday, I don't think Wheaton has anything to worry about.

[usee]

One last comment for the Wheaton Coaching staff and players. Saturday was the last home game for 21 Red Men seniors. Carthage has a tradional pre-game recognition ceremony to recognize the seniors for their commitment to the Carthage football program. Their teamates form a tunnel leading to mid-field. The seniors run through the tunnel while being introduced and meet their parents at mid-field on the Carthage emblem. On the Emblem, a keep-sake photo is taken of the player & parents which is charished by all for a life-time. Wheaton was running their  pre-game offensive sets at mid field and was politely asked to move up several yards off the mid-field emblem so photos could be taken. Wheaton refused to move and some of the players gave disgusting glares to the ladies (photographers) who had asked if the would move. I thought Wheaton was supposed to be a team that held itself up as having class and good character. I have certainly lost respect for them as they apparently don't practice what they preach. The seniors and parents have put a lot of time and effort into Carthage Football over the last 4 years. Thanks for ruinning our moment.

Tailgater,

I would say that's a pretty strong reaction from you for something like this. do you know all the facts? was wheaton informed of this ceremony beforehand so they would know to make adjustments? remember, this team was in its final routine and about to go to war to protect their season. while the senior recognition is something all programs do, it never has interfered with either teams preparations for a game that I can remember. Did coach rucks ask coach swider to move his team? if he did (or he had asked him prior to the warmups I am quite sure swider would have complied) I don't think its at all fair to condemn the school and its players because of this. that seems a little steep. just my opinion.

[cardinaldad]

JB, you've been kind of quiet lately. What happened to the Bluejays?

[usee]

Coach Rucks on the Wheaton game:

"It wasn't a good day, and I don't know if there's anything good to say about it.  It was a total wreck.  Early on, I thought we had a chance, but penalties really turned out to be drive-stoppers for us.  Defensively, we were out of position and missed tackles.  Wheaton's running backs are tough and hard to bring down—they're a very formidable team.  We're not a better team than Wheaton right now, but we were capable of making  a much-better showing than this.  At this point, there's two ways this team can go.  Either we ride it out against North Central, or we fight back.  It's my job to make sure we don't feel sorry for ourselves and just ride things out."

You gotta admit he says the right things that makes you want to play harder for him.

coach rucks is one of the classiest guys in the league. anyone would want to play for him.

[usee]

Donavon moore and franko shenault are definately impact players. I didn't realize they had been hurt since pre season. My point was that seems like most of the injuries happened early and carthage has had the benefit of continuity since early in the season. problem being, obviously, they are missing several of their best players so the guys playing every week aren't their top talent. that, of course, would show vs augie, wheaton and north central. 

i get it now.

[cardinaldad]

One last comment for the Wheaton Coaching staff and players. Saturday was the last home game for 21 Red Men seniors. Carthage has a tradional pre-game recognition ceremony to recognize the seniors for their commitment to the Carthage football program. Their teamates form a tunnel leading to mid-field. The seniors run through the tunnel while being introduced and meet their parents at mid-field on the Carthage emblem. On the Emblem, a keep-sake photo is taken of the player & parents which is charished by all for a life-time. Wheaton was running their  pre-game offensive sets at mid field and was politely asked to move up several yards off the mid-field emblem so photos could be taken. Wheaton refused to move and some of the players gave disgusting glares to the ladies (photographers) who had asked if the would move. I thought Wheaton was supposed to be a team that held itself up as having class and good character. I have certainly lost respect for them as they apparently don't practice what they preach. The seniors and parents have put a lot of time and effort into Carthage Football over the last 4 years. Thanks for ruinning our moment.

Tailgater,

I would say that's a pretty strong reaction from you for something like this. do you know all the facts? was wheaton informed of this ceremony beforehand so they would know to make adjustments? remember, this team was in its final routine and about to go to war to protect their season. while the senior recognition is something all programs do, it never has interfered with either teams preparations for a game that I can remember. Did coach rucks ask coach swider to move his team? if he did (or he had asked him prior to the warmups I am quite sure swider would have complied) I don't think its at all fair to condemn the school and its players because of this. that seems a little steep. just my opinion.

Tailgater,
    I'm in agreement with you (if that actually happened). For a ceremony that all schools have to honor their seniors, any visiting team should display the sportsmanship and move a few yards to allow the ceremony to occur whether it was prearranged, or not. I'm hoping that Coach Swider was not aware of this incident. From what I hear about him, I would think that if he would have been aware of what happened, it would have been corrected.

[usee]

One last comment for the Wheaton Coaching staff and players. Saturday was the last home game for 21 Red Men seniors. Carthage has a tradional pre-game recognition ceremony to recognize the seniors for their commitment to the Carthage football program. Their teamates form a tunnel leading to mid-field. The seniors run through the tunnel while being introduced and meet their parents at mid-field on the Carthage emblem. On the Emblem, a keep-sake photo is taken of the player & parents which is charished by all for a life-time. Wheaton was running their  pre-game offensive sets at mid field and was politely asked to move up several yards off the mid-field emblem so photos could be taken. Wheaton refused to move and some of the players gave disgusting glares to the ladies (photographers) who had asked if the would move. I thought Wheaton was supposed to be a team that held itself up as having class and good character. I have certainly lost respect for them as they apparently don't practice what they preach. The seniors and parents have put a lot of time and effort into Carthage Football over the last 4 years. Thanks for ruinning our moment.

Tailgater,

I would say that's a pretty strong reaction from you for something like this. do you know all the facts? was wheaton informed of this ceremony beforehand so they would know to make adjustments? remember, this team was in its final routine and about to go to war to protect their season. while the senior recognition is something all programs do, it never has interfered with either teams preparations for a game that I can remember. Did coach rucks ask coach swider to move his team? if he did (or he had asked him prior to the warmups I am quite sure swider would have complied) I don't think its at all fair to condemn the school and its players because of this. that seems a little steep. just my opinion.

Tailgater,
    I'm in agreement with you (if that actually happened). For a ceremony that all schools have to honor their seniors, any visiting team should display the sportsmanship and move a few yards to allow the ceremony to occur whether it was prearranged, or not. I'm hoping that Coach Swider was not aware of this incident. From what I hear about him, I would think that if he would have been aware of what happened, it would have been corrected.

If it wasn't planned in advance you can blame the carthage administration and coaches as much as anybody. and if coach rucks asked any of the wheaton coaches to move i am quite sure they would have done so. every school in the country honors its seniors before the final home game and everyone certainly understands that. that is not the issue. I simply cannot believe it went down the way tailgaiter said if coaches were involved. If a parent of carthage asked players of wheaton to move i can understand. we need more fact before we speculate.

[FishHack76]

Just an FYI for everyone ... With 114 more yards, North Central's Kam Kniss can pass Keith Bishop for 15th on the NCAA Division III career passing list. Kniss has 9,466 yards heading into the Carthage game and Bishop had 9,579 in four seasons at Illinois Wesleyan/Wheaton.

Not to "split hairs" or lessen the accomplishment of Kniss in any way, but Keith Bishop passed for the 9,579 yards in only 3 seasons.  He played from 83-85.

The NCAA record book lists "1981, 83-85". I'm assuming Bishop spent a season at Wesleyan and transferred to play for his dad, when J.R. was coming over to Wheaton from Naperville Central HS.

[Tailgater]

Tailgater,

I would say that's a pretty strong reaction from you for something like this. do you know all the facts? was wheaton informed of this ceremony beforehand so they would know to make adjustments? remember, this team was in its final routine and about to go to war to protect their season. while the senior recognition is something all programs do, it never has interfered with either teams preparations for a game that I can remember. Did coach rucks ask coach swider to move his team? if he did (or he had asked him prior to the warmups I am quite sure swider would have complied) I don't think its at all fair to condemn the school and its players because of this. that seems a little steep. just my opinion.

Coach Rucks had talked with Coach Swider about it as Coach Rucks commented that Coach Swider told him Wheaton does their recognition at half time of the last home game, which seems odd to me. I was on the field and saw what I stated. It is not defendable by you. My loss of respect is for the Team and how it presents itself, never did I imply the school as a whole. Even if notification wasn't done, is Wheaton so  incapable of seeing and hearing what's happening that they wouldn't step aside when asked by photographers? Thanks for the karma hit for an honest statement in disappointment.

[usee]

Tailgater,

If you are looking around at and thinking aboput anything but preparing for a game you end up getting beat 52-3. So, no, I don't think wheaton players gave two hoots about the pregame festivities. Most teams schedule this stuiff after warmups and before kickoff.

As for karma, I am guilty of a lot of things but negative karma is not one of them. I put out a lot of football info on here and receive my share of negative karma. For my part I have become the Karma chameleon and dish out only positive karma as anyone who wupports d3 football deserves as much. It wasn't me who gave u any karma, positive or negative.

[Tailgater]

Tailgater,

If you are looking around at and thinking aboput anything but preparing for a game you end up getting beat 52-3. So, no, I don't think wheaton players gave two hoots about the pregame festivities. Most teams schedule this stuiff after warmups and before kickoff.

As for karma, I am guilty of a lot of things but negative karma is not one of them. I put out a lot of football info on here and receive my share of negative karma. For my part I have become the Karma chameleon and dish out only positive karma as anyone who wupports d3 football deserves as much. It wasn't me who gave u any karma, positive or negative.

end of subject, let's move on

[Mugsy]

Another sack for Studebaker... 14.5 for the season.

And unfortunately he got it early on in the game by bull-rushing threw my boy (LT, Glassman) who got his foot work a little messed up. That really ticked him off and inspired him to step up his game. Call it biased, but Glassman kept Studabaker in check the rest of game and played real well. Studabacker was in on only one other tackle which was possible by a crossing stunt at the line and Glassman's blocking assignment had him picking up the D- tackle. Studabaker is a real good athlete and appears bulked up from last season. As a parent I was real proud of the job my son did against an apparent All-American.

Mugsy, you called it correctly, Studabaker lined up on the defensive right end and stayed there all but one play that I can recall. Strange as it may be, my son was real happy about that, because he was looking forward to the challenge of facing the best D-end in the conference.

It seems as if your son played quite well as Studebaker was relatively quiet after that.  Your son has the right perspective from the sounds of it.  You should want the challenge of facing the toughest players.  The best players relish the challenge and look to it as a way to push themselves.

[Mugsy]

Just an FYI for everyone ... With 114 more yards, North Central's Kam Kniss can pass Keith Bishop for 15th on the NCAA Division III career passing list. Kniss has 9,466 yards heading into the Carthage game and Bishop had 9,579 in four seasons at Illinois Wesleyan/Wheaton.

Not to "split hairs" or lessen the accomplishment of Kniss in any way, but Keith Bishop passed for the 9,579 yards in only 3 seasons.  He played from 83-85.

The NCAA record book lists "1981, 83-85". I'm assuming Bishop spent a season at Wesleyan and transferred to play for his dad, when J.R. was coming over to Wheaton from Naperville Central HS.

While he may have been on a team in 81' (not Wheaton), I seriously doubt he played much.  My point is that 99% of his yards came in 3, 9 games seasons.  He averaged well over 300 yards per game for his career.

[Bill McCabe]

Who will recieve the Pool A bid from this conference?