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[FalconsFootball]

It looks like Wheaton really made a statement this weeknd. Whats the news on the score?

[lakeshore]

Swider and his boys preceded to throw a td pass on our Vikes with ALL of the starting offense in early in the 4th quarter after the score was already 60-7.  Very classless act and I HOPE somebody repays the favor on him.  What goes around comes around for WC

[RedmenFB44]

Tailgater,

I would say that's a pretty strong reaction from you for something like this. do you know all the facts? was wheaton informed of this ceremony beforehand so they would know to make adjustments? remember, this team was in its final routine and about to go to war to protect their season. while the senior recognition is something all programs do, it never has interfered with either teams preparations for a game that I can remember. Did coach rucks ask coach swider to move his team? if he did (or he had asked him prior to the warmups I am quite sure swider would have complied) I don't think its at all fair to condemn the school and its players because of this. that seems a little steep. just my opinion.

Can we please stop using the word WAR when we are talking about a football game please. Football is not war. War is what our men and women are doing over seas. Giving their lives so we can live safe lives and play our games (like football). I understand you didn't try and use it in a negitive way but I'm tired of people comparing a football game to what is happening over there. That's all I wanted to say. I appreciate what usee brings to this board so back to the football talk.

[Mugsy]

Who will recieve the Pool A bid from this conference?

It has been covered in detail over the past 2 weeks on this post.  I'll try to give a brief summary and overview.

If Augie, North Central and Wheaton all win out next weekend, then the automatic qualifer goes to North Central on point differential in games between the 3 teams since all 3 have one loss in conference. 

If Augie loses, it would go to Wheaton do to Wheaton beating North Central in head to head competition (Wheaton beat NCC 31-19).

If North Central loses, then it would go to Augie due to head to head results (Augie beat Wheaton 17-14).

If Wheaton loses, the automatic qualify still goes to North Central (NCC beat Augie 27-0).

I get that right usee?

[Mugsy]

Swider and his boys preceded to throw a td pass on our Vikes with ALL of the starting offense in early in the 4th quarter after the score was already 60-7.  Very classless act and I HOPE somebody repays the favor on him.  What goes around comes around for WC

Lakeshore, get it right... Wheaton's starting team was long out of the game by the 4th quarter.  If you are going to be accusational and post about someone being classless (which in itself is classless), get the facts right.

[RedmenFB44]

Stats from the Carthage/Wheaton game:

First Downs:
Carthage - 5
Wheaton - 26

Total Rushing Yards (Leading Rusher):
Carthage - 104  (Danly 7-40)
Wheaton - 260  (Hershey 16-73 1TD)

Total Passing Yards Leading Passer):
Carthage - 58  (Danly 8-24 40yds 2INTs)
Wheaton - 252  (Chupp 11-18 170yds 3TDs)

Total Yards:
Carthage - 162
Wheaton - 512

Turnovers:
Carthage - 3
Wheaton - 1

TOP:
Carthage - 30:26
Wheaton - 29:34

Third Down Conversions:
Carthage - 0 of 12
Wheaton - 6 of 11

Pure domination by Wheaton.

[Mugsy]

Tailgater,

I would say that's a pretty strong reaction from you for something like this. do you know all the facts? was wheaton informed of this ceremony beforehand so they would know to make adjustments? remember, this team was in its final routine and about to go to war to protect their season. while the senior recognition is something all programs do, it never has interfered with either teams preparations for a game that I can remember. Did coach rucks ask coach swider to move his team? if he did (or he had asked him prior to the warmups I am quite sure swider would have complied) I don't think its at all fair to condemn the school and its players because of this. that seems a little steep. just my opinion.

Can we please stop using the word WAR when we are talking about a football game please. Football is not war. War is what our men and women are doing over seas. Giving their lives so we can live safe lives and play our games (like football). I understand you didn't try and use it in a negitive way but I'm tired of people comparing a football game to what is happening over there. That's all I wanted to say. I appreciate what usee brings to this board so back to the football talk.

usee, I happen to agree with this comment.

[usee]

Who will recieve the Pool A bid from this conference?

It has been covered in detail over the past 2 weeks on this post.  I'll try to give a brief summary and overview.

If Augie, North Central and Wheaton all win out next weekend, then the automatic qualifer goes to North Central on point differential in games between the 3 teams since all 3 have one loss in conference. 

If Augie loses, it would go to Wheaton do to Wheaton beating North Central in head to head competition (Wheaton beat NCC 31-19).

If North Central loses, then it would go to Augie due to head to head results (Augie beat Wheaton 17-14).

If Wheaton loses, the automatic qualify still goes to North Central (NCC beat Augie 27-0).

I get that right usee?

That's about as good as anyone has gotten it as far as i can tell. there are still a lot of variables.

[Mugsy]

Swider and his boys preceded to throw a td pass on our Vikes with ALL of the starting offense in early in the 4th quarter after the score was already 60-7.  Very classless act and I HOPE somebody repays the favor on him.  What goes around comes around for WC

Lakeshore, get it right... Wheaton's starting team was long out of the game by the 4th quarter.  If you are going to be accusational and post about someone being classless (which in itself is classless), get the facts right.

Lakeshore,

Let's see... 60-7 and then another touchdown with all of their starters in you say?  Oh, wait a minute...  60-7 and another TD pass with ALL of their starters.  I didn't give the same emphasis that Lakesnore did.

According to the scoring summary for the Wheaton/NPU game:
3rd 12:30 NPU - West, Kelvyn 2 yd run (Reyes, Jesse kick)
                                           6 plays, 38 yards, TOP 2:12, WHEATON 42 - NPU 14
   09:58 WHEATON - Hershey, Andrew 26 yd run (Ellingsen, Tim kick)
                                           5 plays, 69 yards, TOP 2:32, WHEATON 49 - NPU 14
   02:35 WHEATON - Fossum, Chris 1 yd pass from Chupp, Jeremy (Ellingsen, Tim kick)
                                          13 plays, 83 yards, TOP 5:23, WHEATON 56 - NPU 14
4th 14:48 WHEATON - Ellingsen, Tim 40 yd field goal
                                           5 plays, 10 yards, TOP 1:26, WHEATON 59 - NPU 14
   11:26 WHEATON - Pokorny, Alex 18 yd pass from Ullrich, Zach (Ellingsen, Tim kick)
                                           2 plays, 30 yards, TOP 0:42, WHEATON 66 - NPU 14

The last score with the starters in occurred at 2:35 left in the 3rd quarter and the score prior to that TD was 49-14.

I believe the touchdown pass that Lakeshore was referring to was at 11:26 left in the 4th quarter and was a Ullrich to Pokorny.  Ullrich is the 2nd string QB, who plays a couple of series in the first half of most games.  Clearly not the starter.  Pokorny is 2nd, if not 3rd string wideout.

Looking at the play-by-play summary:
Ullrich saw his first series in the 1st quarter with the score 21-7 at the time.  He went 0-2 and it was a 3 and out series.  His next series came in the 2nd quarter and he was 4-4 and the series ended with a TD pass, moving the game to 28-7.

He didn't play another snap until the 4th quarter and only passed the ball 3 more times for 18 yards.

Looking at the game stats:

Rushing              No Gain Loss  Net TD Lg  Avg
-------------------------------------------------
Hershey, Andrew      22  118    3  115  4 26  5.2
Thornton, Brad       14   96    0   96  0 19  6.9
Aucutt, Jamie         4   44    0   44  0 12 11.0
Prudhomme, Matt       8   37    0   37  1 15  4.6
Chupp, Jeremy         4   22    0   22  1  9  5.5
Norris, Sean          1   11    0   11  0 11 11.0
Sunday, Daniel        1    5    0    5  0  5  5.0
Totals...            54  333    3  330  6 26  6.1

Passing              Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD Long Sack
-------------------------------------------------
Chupp, Jeremy          20-12-0   182  2   35    0
Ullrich, Zach           9-6-0     87  2   22    0
Radcliffe, Ric          1-1-0      3  0    3    0
Totals...              30-19-0   272  4   35    0

When Wheaton was supposedly running up the score on NPU (according to Lakeshore) in the 4th quarter, Wheaton passed the ball 3 times in the entire 4th quarter.  Ullrich (not the starter) was 1 of 2 for 18 yards and a TD.  The 3rd string QB, Ric Radcliffe, was 1 of 1 for 3 yards.  Meanwhile here are the 4th quarter rushing stats for the non-starting Wheaton running backs with the non-starting offensive linemen in the game.

Aucutt: 4 rushes for 44 yards (11.0 average)
Prudhomme:  7 rushes for 34 yards (4.8 average)
Norris: 1 rush for 11 yards
Sunday: 1 rush for 5 yards

In 4th quarter, 13 rushes for 94 yards by 3rd & 4th string running backs and 3 passes for 21 yards by the 2nd & 3rd string QB.  

So all this implies Swider was running up the score and therefore is classless and has it coming to him?  It has nothing to do with North Park giving up an average of 49.0 points in CCIW games, while scoring only 8.8?  North Park is losing by an average of 41 points a game in the CCIW, yet Wheaton and Coach Swider are the classless bunch?

You are completely free to hold your own opinion on people, but it is near slanderous to call someone out on something and accuse them of something without the facts.  You should be more responsible.

Sounds like crying in your milk if you ask me...

[usee]

Swider and his boys preceded to throw a td pass on our Vikes with ALL of the starting offense in early in the 4th quarter after the score was already 60-7.  Very classless act and I HOPE somebody repays the favor on him.  What goes around comes around for WC

Lakeshore, get it right... Wheaton's starting team was long out of the game by the 4th quarter.  If you are going to be accusational and post about someone being classless (which in itself is classless), get the facts right.

Lakeshore,

Let's see... 60-7 and then another touchdown with all of their starters in you say?  Oh, wait a minute...  60-7 and another TD pass with ALL of their starters.  I didn't give the same emphasis that Lakesnore did.

According to the scoring summary for the Wheaton/NPU game:
3rd 12:30 NPU - West, Kelvyn 2 yd run (Reyes, Jesse kick)
                                           6 plays, 38 yards, TOP 2:12, WHEATON 42 - NPU 14
   09:58 WHEATON - Hershey, Andrew 26 yd run (Ellingsen, Tim kick)
                                           5 plays, 69 yards, TOP 2:32, WHEATON 49 - NPU 14
   02:35 WHEATON - Fossum, Chris 1 yd pass from Chupp, Jeremy (Ellingsen, Tim kick)
                                          13 plays, 83 yards, TOP 5:23, WHEATON 56 - NPU 14
4th 14:48 WHEATON - Ellingsen, Tim 40 yd field goal
                                           5 plays, 10 yards, TOP 1:26, WHEATON 59 - NPU 14
   11:26 WHEATON - Pokorny, Alex 18 yd pass from Ullrich, Zach (Ellingsen, Tim kick)
                                           2 plays, 30 yards, TOP 0:42, WHEATON 66 - NPU 14

The last score with the starters in occurred at 2:35 left in the 3rd quarter and the score prior to that TD was 49-14.

I believe the touchdown pass that Lakeshore was referring to was at 11:26 left in the 4th quarter and was a Ullrich to Pokorny.  Ullrich is the 2nd string QB, who plays a couple of series in the first half of most games.  Clearly not the starter.  Pokorny is 2nd, if not 3rd string wideout.

Looking at the play-by-play summary:
Ullrich saw his first series in the 1st quarter with the score 21-7 at the time.  He went 0-2 and it was a 3 and out series.  His next series came in the 2nd quarter and he was 4-4 and the series ended with a TD pass, moving the game to 28-7.

He didn't play another snap until the 4th quarter and only passed the ball 3 more times for 18 yards.

Looking at the game stats:

Rushing              No Gain Loss  Net TD Lg  Avg
-------------------------------------------------
Hershey, Andrew      22  118    3  115  4 26  5.2
Thornton, Brad       14   96    0   96  0 19  6.9
Aucutt, Jamie         4   44    0   44  0 12 11.0
Prudhomme, Matt       8   37    0   37  1 15  4.6
Chupp, Jeremy         4   22    0   22  1  9  5.5
Norris, Sean          1   11    0   11  0 11 11.0
Sunday, Daniel        1    5    0    5  0  5  5.0
Totals...            54  333    3  330  6 26  6.1

Passing              Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD Long Sack
-------------------------------------------------
Chupp, Jeremy          20-12-0   182  2   35    0
Ullrich, Zach           9-6-0     87  2   22    0
Radcliffe, Ric          1-1-0      3  0    3    0
Totals...              30-19-0   272  4   35    0

When Wheaton was supposedly running up the score on NPU (according to Lakeshore) in the 4th quarter, Wheaton passed the ball 3 times in the entire 4th quarter.  Ullrich (not the starter) was 1 of 2 for 18 yards and a TD.  The 3rd string QB, Ric Radcliffe, was 1 of 1 for 3 yards.  Meanwhile here are the 4th quarter rushing stats for the non-starting Wheaton running backs with the non-starting offensive linemen in the game.

Aucutt: 4 rushes for 44 yards (11.0 average)
Prudhomme:  7 rushes for 34 yards (4.8 average)
Norris: 1 rush for 11 yards
Sunday: 1 rush for 5 yards

In 4th quarter, 13 rushes for 94 yards by 3rd & 4th string running backs and 3 passes for 21 yards by the 2nd & 3rd string QB.  

So all this implies Swider was running up the score and therefore is classless and has it coming to him?  It has nothing to do with North Park giving up an average of 49.0 points in CCIW games, while scoring only 8.8?  North Park is losing by an average of 41 points a game in the CCIW, yet Wheaton and Coach Swider are the classless bunch?

Sounds like crying in your milk if you ask me...

Mugsy,

Have you ever been to a Turkish prison?

[Mugsy]

Mugsy,

Have you ever been to a Turkish prison?

No, I'm just a geek with too much time on my hands and a bit annoyed when people make claims with nothing to back it up.

[mr_b]

Wheaton leads North Park 73-26.  They start their final possession on the North Park 44 with 0:52 left.  They line up with a few wideouts and run a play for 5 yards.

My question is, why not take a knee at that point?

[RedmenFB44]

Wheaton leads North Park 73-26.  They start their final possession on the North Park 44 with 0:52 left.  They line up with a few wideouts and run a play for 5 yards.

My question is, why not take a knee at that point?

Backups need to get their work in too. I don't have a problem with a team running plays at the end of the game, that is well in hand, as long at they have backups in. In the Wheaton/North Park game, Wheaton had their 3rd and 4th string guys in there. Backups need playing time in real game situations because they might be called on if someone goes down or next season when seniors graduate. If a team has their staters in at the end of game that is well in hand, and they are still running plays, thats another story. That was not the case here. Wheaton had their backups in and they got some well needed work. No problem with that at all.

[usee]

You take a knee at the end of a close game to ensure victory. I agree w redman44. when your backups are in you let them run plays. they need the work and deserve a chance. that is NOT running up a score.

[FishHack76]

Just an FYI for everyone ... With 114 more yards, North Central's Kam Kniss can pass Keith Bishop for 15th on the NCAA Division III career passing list. Kniss has 9,466 yards heading into the Carthage game and Bishop had 9,579 in four seasons at Illinois Wesleyan/Wheaton.

Not to "split hairs" or lessen the accomplishment of Kniss in any way, but Keith Bishop passed for the 9,579 yards in only 3 seasons.  He played from 83-85.

The NCAA record book lists "1981, 83-85". I'm assuming Bishop spent a season at Wesleyan and transferred to play for his dad, when J.R. was coming over to Wheaton from Naperville Central HS.

While he may have been on a team in 81' (not Wheaton), I seriously doubt he played much.  My point is that 99% of his yards came in 3, 9 games seasons.  He averaged well over 300 yards per game for his career.

I wasn't disagreeing. I was just stating a fact. Seeing Bishop's numbers over the years and knowing the kind of offense Wheaton ran with him at quarterback, I imagine that's just three years as well.