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[washdupcard]

So, because a parent says that the coaches are unhappy, it must be true?  Give me a break.  You had one coach leave to pursue bigger oppotunities and a change at DC.  THat is hardly a "shakeup".   Did you see the Capital receivers running free all over the field?  There's part of the reason for a DC change along with an opportunity to bring in a brilliant young coach into the program.  Weinke is sticking around so obviously he must not be that unhappy there.  He might not like getting demoted, but he will be coaching.   As far as upperclassmen leaving, once again it comes back to winning cures many supposed problems.  For those that did quit last year, it was their loss.  The team obvioulsy didn't need them.  I read posts very closely and put much thought into what I post.  I have been around this program for over twenty years now and I obviously am very passionate about it and the school.  Cardinaldad's "i told you so" post was a lame attempt at covering up his needless post in October.  Check NCC_alum62's last post.  He states that it is EMBARRASING when parents begin to openly question the coaching staff.  He obviously gets it. 

Did someone forget to eat their Wheaties today?  I haven't heard you talk like that since you were yelling at the O-Line.

[usee]

"wheaties"?? you called??

Mugsy and us Wheaties are here.

[diehardfan]

He states that it is EMBARRASING when parents begin to openly question the coaching staff.  He obviously gets it. 

Did someone forget to eat their Wheaties today?  I haven't heard you talk like that since you were yelling at the O-Line.

He did. If he had eaten his Wheaties, he would have spelled "embarrassing" correctly.

[CardinalAlum]

He states that it is EMBARRASING when parents begin to openly question the coaching staff.  He obviously gets it. 

Did someone forget to eat their Wheaties today?  I haven't heard you talk like that since you were yelling at the O-Line.

He did. If he had eaten his Wheaties, he would have spelled "embarrassing" correctly.

Ouch, you got me. 

[NCC_alum62]

He states that it is EMBARRASING when parents begin to openly question the coaching staff.  He obviously gets it. 

Did someone forget to eat their Wheaties today?  I haven't heard you talk like that since you were yelling at the O-
Line.

He did. If he had eaten his Wheaties, he would have spelled "embarrassing" correctly.

Ouch, you got me. 

HAHA my fault.  I couldn't find the spell check on this thing   I know it was embarrassing for me when my dad yelled out something one time Thorne's first year. We were kicking an onside kick down about 30 or so pts to wheaton, and my dad said very loudly "this ain't high school coach"

I was furious with him and I told him so he never did it again.

I love my parents and the NCC parents for thier support, they really only want the best for thier sons, but I told my dad and I will tell ever Cardinal parent the same thing.  Coach Thorne takes the blame for a loss, gives credit to the kids and the positional coaches for a win. And if we don't win 99 times out of 100 it is because we as players didn't work as hard as we should have or performed the technique the coahces taught us as well as we could, Or made a mental mistake. 

Sometimes a coach calls the wrong play or defense, but the scheme is desgined to block the defender at the point of attack and cover the WR on the snap of the ball. If we as players mess it up, IMHO you can't blame a coach for that. Thats when its time as a player to look in the mirror and ask yourself if you could learn the playbook better, practice harder, or listen closer to what the coaches are telling you.

I will be the first to admit I was not a perfect or great player. I love the game and I respected what those coaches believed in and taught us. But I know I could have done more to be better and thats all coaches want is the kids best effort every snap, every rep, until the whistle blows.

[Red Reign]

My knowledge of the players is heavily shaded toward the late '90's....therefore my list might weigh a little in that direction.

Cardinal List,

QB-
Kniss, Walsh, Yeager

RB-
Holden, Studnicka, Sulo

Wr-
Tyke Spencer, Brad Spencer, Gudaskaus, Studemann, Gibson, Earnest

OL-
Witte, Kasper, Schultz, Kemper, Curry

DL-
Blitek, Hare, Hart, Gordon, I don't remember many d linemen

LB-
Radke, Silvestri, Bazant, Hammers, Kmiec, Petersen

DB's-
Robinson, Lee, Bellazini, Smith,

K/P
Jordan

I'm sure I missed some.

Washdup- Thats a good list, here is what I came up with, I used the 2007 NCC record book that I found on there website. I looked for athletes that appear in numerous times in statistically categories. For the OL I looked at all-conference OL over the years, considering NC has only been good the past decade I obviously picked more recent O-Linemen.

QB- Kam Kniss ('07), Luther Selbo ('67), Jermeny Walsh ('01)

RB- Steve Holden ('06), Mike Jakovich ('79), John Turpin ('60)

WR- Tyke Spencer ('06), Brad Spencer ('03), Jeremy  Gudauskas ('99), Chuck Earnest ('06), Eric Studemann ('07)

OL- Kreg Kemper ('00), Dusty Wicks ('01), David Schultz ('02), Don Kasper ('08)

DL- Ben Hare ('06), Brian Blitek ('99), Kurt Zak ('02), Anthony Imbordino ('08)

LB- Lenny Radtke ('06), Gary Kmiec ('01), Tim Hammers ('02)

DB- Norman Robinson ('99), Mario Smith ('06), Tim Bellazini ('07)

K/P- Mike Augustine ('05), Ryan Jordan ('00)



*As for the talk about parnets getting involved, I think its natural for parnets to get mad at the coaching staff when the team is loosing. Parents just want the best for their sons and when they are not sucessful, they ponit the blame on someone and it's not going to be their sons. I think (for the most part) the posters that complain about coaching staffs are really just proud fathers that want the best.

[diehardfan]

He states that it is EMBARRASING when parents begin to openly question the coaching staff.  He obviously gets it. 

Did someone forget to eat their Wheaties today?  I haven't heard you talk like that since you were yelling at the O-Line.

He did. If he had eaten his Wheaties, he would have spelled "embarrassing" correctly.

Ouch, you got me. 

I always do. 

[washdupcard]

My knowledge of the players is heavily shaded toward the late '90's....therefore my list might weigh a little in that direction.

Cardinal List,

QB-
Kniss, Walsh, Yeager

RB-
Holden, Studnicka, Sulo

Wr-
Tyke Spencer, Brad Spencer, Gudaskaus, Studemann, Gibson, Earnest

OL-
Witte, Kasper, Schultz, Kemper, Curry

DL-
Blitek, Hare, Hart, Gordon, I don't remember many d linemen

LB-
Radke, Silvestri, Bazant, Hammers, Kmiec, Petersen

DB's-
Robinson, Lee, Bellazini, Smith,

K/P
Jordan

I'm sure I missed some.

Washdup- Thats a good list, here is what I came up with, I used the 2007 NCC record book that I found on there website. I looked for athletes that appear in numerous times in statistically categories. For the OL I looked at all-conference OL over the years, considering NC has only been good the past decade I obviously picked more recent O-Linemen.

QB- Kam Kniss ('07), Luther Selbo ('67), Jermeny Walsh ('01)

RB- Steve Holden ('06), Mike Jakovich ('79), John Turpin ('60)

WR- Tyke Spencer ('06), Brad Spencer ('03), Jeremy  Gudauskas ('99), Chuck Earnest ('06), Eric Studemann ('07)

OL- Kreg Kemper ('00), Dusty Wicks ('01), David Schultz ('02), Don Kasper ('08)

DL- Ben Hare ('06), Brian Blitek ('99), Kurt Zak ('02), Anthony Imbordino ('08)

LB- Lenny Radtke ('06), Gary Kmiec ('01), Tim Hammers ('02)

DB- Norman Robinson ('99), Mario Smith ('06), Tim Bellazini ('07)

K/P- Mike Augustine ('05), Ryan Jordan ('00)



*As for the talk about parnets getting involved, I think its natural for parnets to get mad at the coaching staff when the team is loosing. Parents just want the best for their sons and when they are not sucessful, they ponit the blame on someone and it's not going to be their sons. I think (for the most part) the posters that complain about coaching staffs are really just proud fathers that want the best.

I have two comments.

1.  I think the idea was greatest players in the last 20 yrs...since most of us haven't seen players from the 60's, etc.

2.  I think using stats as a bench mark is one way to judge how good a player was...but you have to go beyond stats and all conference selections.  IMO sight is the best tool to judge a player.  There are a lot of great players that were not picked as All conference selections or do not have their names in the record book.

[NCC_alum62]

I have two comments.

1.  I think the idea was greatest players in the last 20 yrs...since most of us haven't seen players from the 60's, etc.

2.  I think using stats as a bench mark is one way to judge how good a player was...but you have to go beyond stats and all conference selections.  IMO sight is the best tool to judge a player.  There are a lot of great players that were not picked as All conference selections or do not have their names in the record book.

It's hard for some of us that have only been around a few years to base our decision off visual becasue we were not around.  I know I tried to use as many examples that I remember playing against, but all the same for those in the mid-late 90's that I wanted to compare I had to go off of stats and all conference nods

[usee]

I have two comments.

1.  I think the idea was greatest players in the last 20 yrs...since most of us haven't seen players from the 60's, etc.

2.  I think using stats as a bench mark is one way to judge how good a player was...but you have to go beyond stats and all conference selections.  IMO sight is the best tool to judge a player.  There are a lot of great players that were not picked as All conference selections or do not have their names in the record book.

It's hard for some of us that have only been around a few years to base our decision off visual becasue we were not around.  I know I tried to use as many examples that I remember playing against, but all the same for those in the mid-late 90's that I wanted to compare I had to go off of stats and all conference nods

There certainly is a flaw in this but this is a chat board not a science lab. 8)

Having said that I tried to remember as many of the best players as I could since 1995 (I could go back to 1981ish if i had to but even going back before 1999 was tough. I thiink I got most of the best ones but I know there were some great OLineman I missed between 1995-2000. the skill players are easy to remember and there is plenty of stats to remind me of the Zac Williams, brian shemansky, jeremy gaudauskas, Jeremy Amos, Eric Larsen, Tim williams, bob meyers, darnell Rios'  of the world. The lineman are a lot tougher. I remember some really good Millikin and wesleyan Olineman in late 90's that I can't remember any names. Its inexact at best but a fun excercise. there have been some great players in this conference over the years. I remember a center at Augie, Jon Bothe, who was a beast and was voted Offensive MVP.

[Red Reign]

I have two comments.

1.  I think the idea was greatest players in the last 20 yrs...since most of us haven't seen players from the 60's, etc.

2.  I think using stats as a bench mark is one way to judge how good a player was...but you have to go beyond stats and all conference selections.  IMO sight is the best tool to judge a player.  There are a lot of great players that were not picked as All conference selections or do not have their names in the record book.... I don't know it's all in good fun

I agree, however how do most poll judge the greatest players/teams? There is not many (if not any) players in the NFL/NBA/MLB hall of fame that were not selected to an all-star team or hold a few records in there time. I agree that there are tons of great players that have not been named to an all-conf team or have there names in record books, but are they the greatest? Also, did you notice that most of the players on your list were also on my record/all-conf list, most of your players you choose were in the record books, as well all-conf... but its all in good fun

[NCC_alum62]

I think all washedupcard was trying to say is try and throw in reasons other than stats for some of your selections.  I don't always know who would make a great addition to the DB list because when I played against a D I rarely if ever blocked a DB, but I can tell you from personal experience some of the better DL's and LB's I played against.

Could next season get here any slower?

[Red Reign]

I think all washedupcard was trying to say is try and throw in reasons other than stats for some of your selections.  I don't always know who would make a great addition to the DB list because when I played against a D I rarely if ever blocked a DB, but I can tell you from personal experience some of the better DL's and LB's I played against.

Could next season get here any slower?

I see what your saying. The problem for that is that I graduated just a few years ago and could only tell you players that I've seen and played against since '00 which would leave a list the consisted of players from the past 7 years. I thought maybe I'd do a little research and throw another team out there...

[redman04]

I bet I have the best squat in school history maybe even conference.  I did reps with 9 and change.  Ask Big Coach and Johnny.

Weren't you also the bacon eating champion??  I remember you were  +9 pieces a plate!!!!  Remember Hitting the Waffle Houses on the way to Panama City Beach!!!!

[redman04]

[quote author=CardinalAlum link=topic=4077.msg678054#msg678054

Interesting with Hartman # 2.  He was a great player! I don't remember Sedeska as much.  Was I right about Garnes?  Didn't he only play 2 years?

[/quote]

Yes Garnes did only play two years.  And anybody who played with Sedeska would pick him #1.
Stats to back that pick... Four year starter and Captain.  All Conference 3 years and lead team in tackles all four years.  He was the heart and soul of a program that was trying to rebuild and he helped as much as rucks did!