FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mugsy]

As much as it pains me to agree with Alum...

I knew there was a reason I like Titanwatcher.   

[Mugsy]

I played at NCC from 86 to 89.

Old fart!

[CardinalAlum]

I played at NCC from 86 to 89.

Old fart!

Hmmm, my graduating year was '90.  What was yours again??  And that was on a 7 year plan for you!  
Mugsy graduated Wheaton in '89, enrolled in 1981!!

[CardinalAlum]

I had heard that NCC tried to hire Boo to coach their wrestling team. Have some relative that graduated from NCC. current circumstances dictate that I follow I IWU. Coached youth football with a former QB , who now coaches at Montini. still have 2 kids there so i guess that makes me a full Montini fan.

Bu has it too good with his wrestling program there.  No reason for him to leave, especially if he is the guy who will succeed Andriano as FB coach.  Besides, as I tell him, he spends too much time running around the state having to pick up his wrestlers for meets!   

[Mugsy]

I played at NCC from 86 to 89.

Old fart!

Hmmm, my graduating year was '90.  What was yours again??  And that was on a 7 year plan for you!  
Mugsy graduated Wheaton in '89, enrolled in 1981!!

Yup... I'm an old fart, but it still fun to call out the fact that you are too!   Incidently I finished Wheaton in 3 1/2 years (86'-89').   My graduate degree from NCC took 7  years (96'-03') due to working full time and taking one course a term at night.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Guys, guys, guys...

When folks who graduated two decades after I did refer to themselves as 'old farts', it just ain't right!

[I shudder to think what that makes me - though I'll probably soon find out! ]

[Mugsy]

Guys, guys, guys...

When folks who graduated two decades after I did refer to themselves as 'old farts', it just ain't right!

[I shudder to think what that makes me - though I'll probably soon find out! ]

I believe the next transition beyond old fart is "wise".  [I've been raised to respect my elders] 

[79jaybird]

Chris Kudyba will be a Senior this year (2007) and I can almost guarantee he will be the starting QB vs. Benedictine.
NCC Alum62- we will just have agree to disagree at this point, but again- it's very early and anything can happen.  Injuries, other factors, grades, etc.  can all influence the outcome of the season.  For example, we didn't expect Kudyba to be out all of last year with that freak injury.  I just know that having a solid QB is the catalyst on offense.

[NCC_alum62]

I understand your point, but all I was saying was that a good QB doesn't make a great team, I feel the level of the team makes the QB great interms of wins and losses.  as long as they have someone that can manage the game and make good throws  his confidence will gain as the season progresses.

I had a worry going into last year that the D would be so understrengthed after loosing Lenny (arguably the QB of the D), but they reloaded on D and played much better than I think we predicted, the majority of that D is going to be comming back next year and with it the majority of the offense as well.  If we had more holes on D and on the O-line I might agree with you this would be a middle of the pack year for NCC, but because they bring back so much returning talent in the places that support a young QB (Strong D and Running Game with an experienced O-Line) I feel like it isn't going to hurt as much as everyone thinks it will.  I feel like the cardinals have a better chance of re-loading rather than rebuilding because the supporting cast is allready in place and experienced.

The opposite might be said for Chris Kudyba, he is a great QB, but he won't have great success if the supporting talent isn't in place around him. O-Line, Runing Game, Defense all make a Great QB a winning QB.  Jay Cutler considered one of the best QB's out of the draft played on a bad team and was still able to win some games, but he didn't have a dominant D to get him the ball or a dominant O-line to keep it.

I SAY MIGHT...I make no predictions on how well Elmhurst does becasue I don't know personally the talent they have returning...all I can see is the roster and who started last year and who is comming back.

Coach Thorne is going to reload at QB with the kid that make the least ammount of mistakes and can manage the game and make good throws...the supporting cast is going to help put them in the position to win and I feel like the success of the program is only going to continue going into next year.  I don't want us to forget that they have kids that have been in the system learning the offense and preparing to take over for Kam.  He was a great game changing QB, he will be missed by the cardinal faithful, but I also feel that they've started the winning tradition and that it will continue so long as Thorne is at NCC.

That got long...sorry

[NCC_alum62]

And fellas you are only as old as you act... 

[79jaybird]

Age is just a state of mind and  number placed next to your name.  I.E. my Grandpa is 79 years old and up until 2 years ago, we had him waterskiing at our place in Wisconsin!
NCCAlum62- I see your points now and agree that NC's last 2 years have built a solid base to build on. Similarly (though not as solid of a base)  Elmhurst and Carthage have built theirs.
Elmhurst has a pretty decent O-Line returning, they DO need to sharpen up the running game, however their receivers (Veldhuis, Cisler) are talented.
I think NC's offensive concern is the QB, Elmhurst's is the RB, and Carthage's is the OL.  With Glassman and a couple other OL's graduated, the Redmen have some holes at the OL.

[FatalImpact]

Elmhurst needs to start a quality QB as well, what are the prospects of Kudba and Freund, and who will start this year, personally I think freund is the better QB but, I'm not the coach

[79jaybird]

The QB situation (last I heard which was pretty recent) is this:
the "incumbent" is Kudyba and he is most likely going to be starting (if not all) most of the games.
The incoming Freshman QB is Pedi from Driscoll.  He might be a star in the making, but until he performs in d-3, it's all heresay.  We all know HS is much different than College.
Freund was very versatile for the Jays playing many different roles.  He is more physical and sturdy, than Kudyba  but I do think Chris is going to be your #1 starter.  The way I see it shaping up (of the returners)
QB-Kudyba
RBs-Wilharm, Rivers, Matt Smith,
WR's- Veldhuis, Cisler, Holmer,
TE- Dichiara
OL-Hale, Smith, Kindle, Mattingly, Thomas,
Just looking at this sketch,  I think the greatest concern is the rushing attack.  Wilharm and Smith had some good moments in 2006, but there were also some moments when they were non-existent.  Rivers showed some promise, but he had "fumbleitis" at times also. 
Course it is April, and who knows what we will see in August.

[NCC_alum62]

Age is just a state of mind and  number placed next to your name.  I.E. my Grandpa is 79 years old and up until 2 years ago, we had him waterskiing at our place in Wisconsin!
NCCAlum62- I see your points now and agree that NC's last 2 years have built a solid base to build on. Similarly (though not as solid of a base)  Elmhurst and Carthage have built theirs.
Elmhurst has a pretty decent O-Line returning, they DO need to sharpen up the running game, however their receivers (Veldhuis, Cisler) are talented.
I think NC's offensive concern is the QB, Elmhurst's is the RB, and Carthage's is the OL.  With Glassman and a couple other OL's graduated, the Redmen have some holes at the OL.

Carthages O-line looses all starters for the past two years...at least according to Son of Tailgater this group started every game the past two seasons and have all graduated.  I went ahead and took his word for it...

Jaybird- you're right about the running game for sure, the WR's are talented and the QB can be a stud if he can return full strength, but it seems they have options if he struggles for whatever reason.

[NCC_alum62]

Elmhurst needs to start a quality QB as well, what are the prospects of Kudba and Freund, and who will start this year, personally I think freund is the better QB but, I'm not the coach

According to the stats on the Elmhurst page Mike LaFleur had the best statistical season last year for Elmhurst although both QB's aside from Kudyba (Freund and LaFleur) threw more pics than TDs.

Kudyba passed for 1838 yards, 14 TD's and 15 INT's in '05, Freund had 363 yards 3 TD's 0 INT's in that same year. Lafleur passed for 27 yards and 1 TD on 2 attempts (both completed)

It would seem all three have had thier hot and cold moments of the past two years (other than the fact Kudyba was out in '06)  LaFluer will be a Junior this year, Kudyba and Freund are Seniors.  (They're still listed as Jr.'s but Jaybird mentioned Kudyba was actually a senior so I must assume the roster hasn't been updated for 07 yet).

Good problem to have for the Bluejays...3 guys you've been able to rely on who know the offense, should make for a very competitive fall camp.