FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[NCC_alum62]

And yet Mt. Union seems to win year after year...

[football2007]

Being new to college football, what determines if you are D3, I would think size of school would count but i guess that doesn't make sense.  My son had an offer from a D2 school that only had 1000 kids.  why would they be D2.  Maybe someone can explain this for me.
Thanks in advance

[Mr. Ypsi]

Being new to college football, what determines if you are D3, I would think size of school would count but i guess that doesn't make sense.  My son had an offer from a D2 school that only had 1000 kids.  why would they be D2.  Maybe someone can explain this for me.
Thanks in advance

football2007,

Collegiate divisions are not like high school divisions - they have nothing (or at least little) to do with size (or public vs. private).  It has to do with preference and philosophy.  Davidson is a small (2600?) private school, but has chosen to go d1; many d3 schools have enrollments in 5 figures and many are public, but they have chosen to go d3.

To greatly oversimplify, in d3 players are truly student-athletes; in d1 they verge on paid entertainers for the school.  (And I'm not quite sure what that makes them at d2 - I view that as a not-quite-viable attempt to compromise between d1 and d3.)

[79jaybird]

MatBlake-- Good catch, I made a mistake.. that should be MIAA (Michigan Conference)
Elmhurst played Alma for 4 years and now in year 2 of a 4 year contract with Olivet.
to my knowledge, they have never played any Minnesota School.

[football2007]

So can a school that has 2000 students compete against a school with 10,000 students or is it truly about how well a coach recruits.

[Mr. Ypsi]

So can a school that has 2000 students compete against a school with 10,000 students or is it truly about how well a coach recruits.

Does Mount Union (enrollment under 3000) answer your question?!

At least for sports a particular school takes seriously, athletes are NOT selected by open try-outs from the dorms, and the quality of recruits has nothing to do with the overall size of the student body.  With high schools, where athletes ARE selected by open try-outs from the student body (and where most of them can't openly recruit), divisions by size make sense (though there is on-going debate about public vs. private, since private high schools can, and many do, recruit).

[Mugsy]

I did a "double take" looking at the recent scores from CCIW action.  For a second I thought Elmhurst and Wheaton played a spring football game on Saturday (other than it was surprising who won...  ).

Carol Stream, Ill. (4/21) – Wheaton (7-18-1/2-12) and Elmhurst (12-13/8-6) competed in a lengthy, offensive slugfest on Saturday in a doubleheader at Wheaton's Legion Field. In the opener, Elmhurst was a 14-10 (Boxscore) victor in eight innings of a scheduled seven-inning game. Elmhurst was a 26-19 victor (Boxscore) in the record-setting nightcap. Today's twinbill saw the two teams combine for 69 runs, with 84 hits in 6 hours and 50 minutes of baseball under clear skies at Legion Field.

69 runs... What?  They play slow, underhand pitch?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Friday looked like football, too: Elmhurst 17, Wheaton 7.

I think they got their calendars out of alignment!

[Son of Tailgater]

Friday looked like football, too: Elmhurst 17, Wheaton 7.

I think they got their calendars out of alignment!

I went to the Carthage baseball game today vs. Lakeland and the first game was 13-3 followed by a 5 inning second game of 23-3. Football is around the corner.

Also, I was wondering if anybody had a list of the recruiting classes for D3, I wasn't able to get them off Edgytim.com without paying money.

[football2007]

Edgy Tim does not have very many CCIW recruits listed.  As far as I know besides phil pedi from Driscoll going to elmhurst, Driscoll has 2 players DE and WR going to Carthage, 1 Player possibly going to North Park, Edgy shows 2 WWS players going to carthage, 2 andrew players going to NC and 1 bolingbrook player going to NC. OC from st. frances delasalle going to IWU

[WLCALUM83]

I did a "double take" looking at the recent scores from CCIW action.  For a second I thought Elmhurst and Wheaton played a spring football game on Saturday (other than it was surprising who won...  ).

Carol Stream, Ill. (4/21) – Wheaton (7-18-1/2-12) and Elmhurst (12-13/8-6) competed in a lengthy, offensive slugfest on Saturday in a doubleheader at Wheaton's Legion Field. In the opener, Elmhurst was a 14-10 (Boxscore) victor in eight innings of a scheduled seven-inning game. Elmhurst was a 26-19 victor (Boxscore) in the record-setting nightcap. Today's twinbill saw the two teams combine for 69 runs, with 84 hits in 6 hours and 50 minutes of baseball under clear skies at Legion Field.

69 runs... What?  They play slow, underhand pitch?

Friday looked like football, too: Elmhurst 17, Wheaton 7.

I think they got their calendars out of alignment!

I went to the Carthage baseball game today vs. Lakeland and the first game was 13-3 followed by a 5 inning second game of 23-3. Football is around the corner.

This poster heard of a similar NAthCon final--Rockford 23, Marian 16. (And Marian doesn't even field a football team)

Maybe with all the baseball postponements, the teams got a case of cabin fever and once they could finally get some games in they decided to make up for all the lost time virtually all at once!! (ba dumm bumm!). 

[NCC_alum62]

Being new to college football, what determines if you are D3, I would think size of school would count but i guess that doesn't make sense.  My son had an offer from a D2 school that only had 1000 kids.  why would they be D2.  Maybe someone can explain this for me.
Thanks in advance

football2007,

Collegiate divisions are not like high school divisions - they have nothing (or at least little) to do with size (or public vs. private).  It has to do with preference and philosophy.  Davidson is a small (2600?) private school, but has chosen to go d1; many d3 schools have enrollments in 5 figures and many are public, but they have chosen to go d3.

To greatly oversimplify, in d3 players are truly student-athletes; in d1 they verge on paid entertainers for the school.  (And I'm not quite sure what that makes them at d2 - I view that as a not-quite-viable attempt to compromise between d1 and d3.)

Also D-I, D-IA, D-II are allowed to give scholarships and D-III does not, and the difference in the top three that give scholarships is how many they can give and how much, D-II has some partial scholarships,

[NCC_alum62]

So can a school that has 2000 students compete against a school with 10,000 students or is it truly about how well a coach recruits.

I think we find with all levels of competition its not the number of bodies, it is how good they are and how well they are coached.  All D-I schools are not the same size (some are smaller than the WIAC schools) Some of the private D-I schools are a bit under or around 10,000.  Some are up in the 35,000+ range and are state schools.  Its about recruiting, coaching, and winning.  Mount Union is a great example, but also there isn't a sinlge public school in many D-III conferences. Looking at the champions UW-LaCross has been the only State School crowned (1995, 1992) in the last 20 years that wasn't a private school.

No doubt it may help in some way to have a cheaper school, with more bodies, they've certainly done well and are considered a very tough conference, but they haven't been dominating the play-offs and as good as UWW has been they've been soundly beaten by Mount Union in both of the championship games they played. (the year before the score was closer than the game really was)

[footballfan413]

So can a school that has 2000 students compete against a school with 10,000 students or is it truly about how well a coach recruits.

I think we find with all levels of competition its not the number of bodies, it is how good they are and how well they are coached.  All D-I schools are not the same size (some are smaller than the WIAC schools) Some of the private D-I schools are a bit under or around 10,000.  Some are up in the 35,000+ range and are state schools.  Its about recruiting, coaching, and winning.  Mount Union is a great example, but also there isn't a sinlge public school in many D-III conferences. Looking at the champions UW-LaCross has been the only State School crowned (1995, 1992) in the last 20 years that wasn't a private school.

No doubt it may help in some way to have a cheaper school, with more bodies, they've certainly done well and are considered a very tough conference, but they haven't been dominating the play-offs and as good as UWW has been they've been soundly beaten by Mount Union in both of the championship games they played. (the year before the score was closer than the game really was)

I agree with all of this and all very good points.  I would just add that, IMO, MUC's sound beating of UWW the last two years in the Championship game had more to do with the quality of their coaching staff and program and the familiarity with playing at that level that their success has brought them than the private vs. public discussion.   

[NCC_alum62]

oh I believe that as well.  I was simply trying to point out that private schools are not necessarliy at a disadvantage to public just because of a disparity in student population