FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[CardinalAlum]

I was wondering. what kind of affect does having a transfer come in and supplant a longtime guy have on the psyche of the team? Morale and otherwise? obviously the alleged case is special due to family ties. but has anyone seen where this tpe of situation helped or hurt a team?

Good question!  I would think the Wheaties would have a better idea as that exact situation took place this year.

what was the situation last year?

Wheaton had a starting QB(Chupp) returning and had a D-1 transfer from NIU(Ullrich) come in.  They both played, but from an outsiders perspective, I don't think it was best for the program.  Usee, Mugsy, April, Matblake?  Your thoughts?



Cardinal alum, I was having one of those off-season mischievous moments where I was going to declare a Terms of Service violation with your repetitive posts to get off page 666.

I was then going to (mis)-use my powers to delete those 4 posts and throw the board back to page 666.

I thought better and am just putting the message here for a good off-season laugh. 

Signed,
Ralph Turner

[usee]

I was wondering. what kind of affect does having a transfer come in and supplant a longtime guy have on the psyche of the team? Morale and otherwise? obviously the alleged case is special due to family ties. but has anyone seen where this tpe of situation helped or hurt a team?

Good question!  I would think the Wheaties would have a better idea as that exact situation took place this year.

what was the situation last year?

Wheaton had a starting QB(Chupp) returning and had a D-1 transfer from NIU(Ullrich) come in.  They both played, but from an outsiders perspective, I don't think it was best for the program.  Usee, Mugsy, April, Matblake?  Your thoughts?

I don't have an opinion if it was best for the program. we did beat NCC and win the conference using it so it wasn' that bad. keep in mind we had a returning starter/senior and a younger transfer. I think the experience Zach got last year will pay off huge this year.

I would caution NCC fans who may think Kyle Kniss is the second coming of Kam. I wouldn't count on it. it has been going on 3 years since he had meaning ful time in a football game. While i am sure he is quite talented and will do just fine, i wouldn't expect him to be a huge lift right off the bat.

[Mugsy]

I was wondering. what kind of affect does having a transfer come in and supplant a longtime guy have on the psyche of the team? Morale and otherwise? obviously the alleged case is special due to family ties. but has anyone seen where this tpe of situation helped or hurt a team?

Good question!  I would think the Wheaties would have a better idea as that exact situation took place this year.

what was the situation last year?

Wheaton had a starting QB(Chupp) returning and had a D-1 transfer from NIU(Ullrich) come in.  They both played, but from an outsiders perspective, I don't think it was best for the program.  Usee, Mugsy, April, Matblake?  Your thoughts?

Just a personal preference because I didn't see practices and every game, but I would have preferred picking one QB and sticking with him.  Based on what I saw, I thought Ullrich was a better QB.

Now the problem with that is you have a 2 year starter (multiple All-Conference selection) returning, who was a leader on the offense.  Unless your DI transfer is so significantly better than your returning starter, it is difficult to give the nod to the "new" guy.  If Ullrich came in and was clearly, without question the better QB, then it is easier for the team to accept the change.  Ullrich had to learn a new scheme, learn how to play with his new teammates and probably didn't distance himself from Chupp.  So Chupp got the nod due to 2 years of starting experience in the system... it was his job to lose.

In hindsight (and despite my preference), I think Swider and Hardy handled the situation very, very well.  They juggled a difficult situation and for the most part got a lot of productivity out of their QB's.  If you combine their stats, it wasn't a bad season.  Especially when you factor in that they were Co-CCIW champs.  In addition Ullrich got enough "real game" snaps to put him in really good position for the 2007 season.  He now has enough familiarity with the offense, the returning players and the team in general to assume full responsibility for leading of offense.  Personally I expect a huge year from Ullrich in 07'.

The only way that situation works out as well as it did in 06' for Wheaton is if you have 2 individuals, who though very competitive, can set aside personal agendas and put the team first.  Despite the competition, Chupp & Ullrich needed to work together.  Every indication I have is that is exactly what happened.

Anyone can question whether or not Wheaton would have been better to pick one QB and stick with him, but it would only be conjecture at this point.

[AndOne]

I was wondering. what kind of affect does having a transfer come in and supplant a longtime guy have on the psyche of the team? Morale and otherwise? obviously the alleged case is special due to family ties. but has anyone seen where this tpe of situation helped or hurt a team?

Good question!  I would think the Wheaties would have a better idea as that exact situation took place this year.

what was the situation last year?

Wheaton had a starting QB(Chupp) returning and had a D-1 transfer from NIU(Ullrich) come in.  They both played, but from an outsiders perspective, I don't think it was best for the program.  Usee, Mugsy, April, Matblake?  Your thoughts?

I don't have an opinion if it was best for the program. we did beat NCC and win the conference using it so it wasn' that bad. keep in mind we had a returning starter/senior and a younger transfer. I think the experience Zach got last year will pay off huge this year.

I would caution NCC fans who may think Kyle Kniss is the second coming of Kam. I wouldn't count on it. it has been going on 3 years since he had meaning ful time in a football game. While i am sure he is quite talented and will do just fine, i wouldn't expect him to be a huge lift right off the bat.

Usee-----------------

Excuse me, but I don't believe you are correct in stating Wheaton "won the conference"        
Wishful thinking doesn't make it so.

CCIW Football

North Central, Wheaton and Augustana each won a share of the conference title by finishing the regular season with identical 6-1 conference records respectively. North Central earned the CCIW's automatic qualifier by having the highest point-differential against Wheaton and Augustana.

[usee]

I was wondering. what kind of affect does having a transfer come in and supplant a longtime guy have on the psyche of the team? Morale and otherwise? obviously the alleged case is special due to family ties. but has anyone seen where this tpe of situation helped or hurt a team?

Good question!  I would think the Wheaties would have a better idea as that exact situation took place this year.

what was the situation last year?

Wheaton had a starting QB(Chupp) returning and had a D-1 transfer from NIU(Ullrich) come in.  They both played, but from an outsiders perspective, I don't think it was best for the program.  Usee, Mugsy, April, Matblake?  Your thoughts?

I don't have an opinion if it was best for the program. we did beat NCC and win the conference using it so it wasn' that bad. keep in mind we had a returning starter/senior and a younger transfer. I think the experience Zach got last year will pay off huge this year.

I would caution NCC fans who may think Kyle Kniss is the second coming of Kam. I wouldn't count on it. it has been going on 3 years since he had meaning ful time in a football game. While i am sure he is quite talented and will do just fine, i wouldn't expect him to be a huge lift right off the bat.

Usee-----------------

Excuse me, but I don't believe you are correct in stating Wheaton "won the conference"        
Wishful thinking doesn't make it so.

CCIW Football

North Central, Wheaton and Augustana each won a share of the conference title by finishing the regular season with identical 6-1 conference records respectively. North Central earned the CCIW's automatic qualifier by having the highest point-differential against Wheaton and Augustana.

AndOne, eveyone who knows me knows I occasionally like to subtly rib the naperville school regulars. And you obviously don't know me as a football poster very well if you assume I don't know the tiebreaker rules. So getting a response like this from you gives me a small victory. Thank you for letting my small mind feel big for a few minutes. 

I think everyone on here who watches CCIW football would agree the 2 best teams last year were Wheaton and NCC. I don't think anyone would argue Augie was a better (or equal) team than either of those two. Appropriately,  those were the two that represented the CCIW in the playoffs.  they were definately Co champs on paper but we all know what happened over 2 halves in wheaton last fall between these two. 

[CardinalAlum]

AndOne, eveyone who knows me knows I occasionally like to subtly rib the naperville school regulars. 

Subtly?? 

[Titanwatcher]

Where were all these posts when we needed to get off evil page 666?

[Brass Bell]

Just wanted to go on the record while I certainly had inside information and 'lit the fire' Re.....BIG.........BIG........BIG......News coming soon! Shark56 is the one who broke the story...........Not the Brass Bell!

[CardinalAlum]

Just wanted to go on the record while I certainly had inside information and 'lit the fire' Re.....BIG.........BIG........BIG......News coming soon! Shark56 is the one who broke the story...........Not the Brass Bell!

I'll back you on that one.  Although you did get the thing rolling! 

[NCC_alum62]

Just wanted to go on the record while I certainly had inside information and 'lit the fire' Re.....BIG.........BIG........BIG......News coming soon! Shark56 is the one who broke the story...........Not the Brass Bell!

I'll back you on that one.  Although you did get the thing rolling! 

I actually mentioned this sometime back (back in the winter), but many of the other NCC posters said this wasn't going to happen.  I didn't have the "inside info" but I had heard the rumor mill at NCC was that Kam's brother might transfer.

I think this would be a good thing. Especially if Kam and Kyle work together during the offseason on the offense.  I'm not trying to crown anyone, but just because he hasn't seen significant playing time at EIU doesn't mean he hasn't been participating in a D-IAA lifting/conditioning program and possibly running a scout team during the week.  Its seems as though the previous Kniss had a pretty good work ethic... I would imagine it just might run in the family.

[irish21]

Wow...Tom Beck! That brings back memories!! He was my coach at St. Procopius, Illinois Benedictine, Benedictine, whatever you want to call it in 1970. He came from West Leyden HS and brought the Eagles their first winning season since 1952! He won 37 games in his five years in Lisle! Turned that program around and was the Eagles most successful coach of all time! Did the same for the Blue Jays.

He did go to Notre Dame as the running backs coach under Lou Holtz in 1991. I think he went to Illinois for a year after ND. The last time I saw him was in the fall of 2003 when he went back to Benedictine as the OC under Tom Mitchell.

I think he struggled as an assistant because he was always a very successful head coach before heading to South Bend. Patrick and I had a picture taken with him on the field before the ND spring game in 1991.

He was doing the ND post game show on Saturday's and wrote for Blue & Gold Illustrated. Not sure if he's still doing either of those jobs.

He was an offensive genius!!!

[Mugsy]

Wow...Tom Beck! That brings back memories!! He was my coach at St. Procopius, Illinois Benedictine, Benedictine, whatever you want to call it in 1970. He came from West Leyden HS and brought the Eagles their first winning season since 1952! He won 37 games in his five years in Lisle! Turned that program around and was the Eagles most successful coach of all time! Did the same for the Blue Jays.

He did go to Notre Dame as the running backs coach under Lou Holtz in 1991. I think he went to Illinois for a year after ND. The last time I saw him was in the fall of 2003 when he went back to Benedictine as the OC under Tom Mitchell.

I think he struggled as an assistant because he was always a very successful head coach before heading to South Bend. Patrick and I had a picture taken with him on the field before the ND spring game in 1991.

He was doing the ND post game show on Saturday's and wrote for Blue & Gold Illustrated. Not sure if he's still doing either of those jobs.

He was an offensive genius!!!

He also did the same for Grand Valley State after leaving Elmhurst, which has since gone on to win 2 straight DII football championships under Chuck Martin, a former safety at Millikin in the late 80's.

[raiderguy]

Mr. Ypsi,

Thanks for the Raider tribute.  

In regards to transfers causing a problem....

Pierre Garcon is a transfer. He did not seem to upset the Raider apple cart. He even came from another D3 program.

If you have two good quarterbacks....use them both. See '06 Stagg Bowl.

If the coach has the team's best interest in mind and the team believes in him then a transfer should not be an issue. Yes the displaced player may have issues but if he was a starter before then he can still be an asset. "No I in team as they say."

Lk has used numerous two QB's in his system and it has paid off in my opinion. Your QB may not always have the hot hand every game so as long as the team isn't divided and gives the same effort for the common goal it makes life for an opponent's defense more challenging.

I realize LK has somewhat of a unique situation but it appears Coach Swider has the same belief and trust from his players and did use a dual QB last year. Wheaton made it to the second round again only to come to Alliance and die. Nothing new there but I don't think it had anything to do with the use of two QB's. I guess I would ask, did he use both of them the entire season? Did they basically get equal time?

[Comet 14]

The transfer talk does not suprise me. I would be shocked if he doesn't transfer someplace. As soon as I saw that Eastern offered the All-state qb from Moroa- Forsythe ( I think his name is Hockiday) a scholorship and with the lack of Kyles playing time. My son played against both qb's his junior year and Kyle was better at the time but not by much. That was his senior year and Hockiday's sophomore, so I don't see Kyles playing time getting much better at Eastern.

[matblake]

Whew, it has been fast and furious in here.  As far as the transfer thing goes, I think it depends on the situation.  I only saw Wheaton live once last year, and a couple of times online.  Ulrich appeared to come in with a good attitude from what I saw.  Chupp was a previous all conference player.  I think that was a good situation overall.  I'm sure that it wasn't the most comfortable thing at all times, but lets face it, in almost every position your teammate also wants to play and you are competing for those limited minutes.  Sports and life work that way sometimes.

I think that transfers are often made to look like self-serving, whiney kids that are dissatified because of playing time, stats, or other self-motivated reasons.  Especially at the D3 level, there are lots of reasons that people transfer.  While I don't ever think it is a good idea to run a program that "transfer mines" for the sole purpose of immediately improving, transfers can be beneficial for a number of reasons, both on and off the field.