FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[oldnuthin]

Nice to seea IWU poster, other than Ypsi. I don't feel so alone being the only big blue poster now.

[Mugsy]

my original response was to help people look between the lines at the stats and see that there was NOT a 80% to 36% difference between Fanthorpe and Stanek.

This is not a post suggesting that Fanthorpe is not clearly more experienced, accomplished, and historically successful. but to simply suggest that Stanek did not lose the game for NCC and that Fanthorpe somehow could not have lost it.  

Someone who did not see the game doesn't know that if Fanthorpe had avoided 3 sacks by throwing the ball away, he would have been 8-13 and not lost 22 yards, and if Stanek had taken 3 sacks, not killed the clock twice, not thrown the Hail Mary, he would have been he would have been 8-16.

Is he better than Fanthorpe, obviosly NOT, but he played very well and heady.

Fair assessment and thanks for the input base on what you witnessed.

I will still hold to my opinion (and the opinion of several others) that NCC would have had a much better chance with Fanthorpe than not, regardless of how "heady" a freshman QB played.  Fanthrope has been in crunch time numerous times in critical CCIW games, Sanek has not.  Would NCC have won the game with Fanthorpe at the helm?  We'll never know, but I believe NCC's chances would have been far better in a nail-biter game that went into overtime without his services as it was.  

At this point it doesn't really matter beyond some welcome dialog between CCIW posters.  Honestly before all this discussion it was quite bland around here.  Thanks for all the fervent dialogue, as opposed to a monologue that seemed more common (I dislike arguing with myself because I always lose).

[Pat Coleman]

New regional rankings out:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/11/04/ncaa-regional-rankings-take-2/

[NCF]

Anyone that was at the game would know that IWU controlled the game in the first half. Just because Fanthorpe rallied his team against Wheaton in the second half doesn't mean it's an automatic that he will do it against IWU.

While I hate to admit it, it was absolutely true. You had to see it to believe it. While Stanek is no Fanthorpe,  he had confidence and composure during the second half.Stanek is no stranger to pressure situations and he gave NCC new life when many people thought it was over. Some of the fans were yelling for NCC to run the wildcat offense and not put Stanek in. Heck, most of them didn't even know his name.  Had his last pass been caught and not dropped (it was right on the money) NCC would have at least had a chance to try a field goal with two seconds left in regulation.

[Mugsy]

New regional rankings out:
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/11/04/ncaa-regional-rankings-take-2/

NORTH REGION
1. Mount Union 7-0 8-0
2. Wittenberg 6-0 8-0
3. Mount St. Joseph 8-0 8-0
4. Case Western Reserve 7-0 8-0
5. Illinois Wesleyan 7-1 7-1
6. Wabash 6-1 7-1
7. Wheaton (Ill.) 7-1 7-1
8. Trine 7-1 7-1
9. Otterbein 7-1 7-1
10. Allegheny 7-1 7-1

NCC falls off the map based on their 2nd loss.  IWU jumps Wheaton and Wabash.

This Saturday will answer some real questions in the CCIW, but IWU's one loss was to Millikin while Wheaton's was to NCC.  At this point I'd think Wheaton should be ahead of IWU, but like I said... Saturday will sort that out either way.

Without looking at the stength of schedule, I'm guessing #2, 3 and 4 would have much weaker schedules than IWU and Wheaton, but the 1 loss in region drops them down.  I'd like Wheaton, NCC or IWU's chances against any of the ranked teams, other than #1. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mugsy, you are correct - IWU, Wheaton, and NCC all have SOS numbers WAY higher than any of the undefeated teams (including MUC).

[Son of Tailgater]

Anyone that was at the game would know that IWU controlled the game in the first half. Just because Fanthorpe rallied his team against Wheaton in the second half doesn't mean it's an automatic that he will do it against IWU.

While I hate to admit it, it was absolutely true. You had to see it to believe it. While Stanek is no Fanthorpe,  he had confidence and composure during the second half.Stanek is no stranger to pressure situations and he gave NCC new life when many people thought it was over. Some of the fans were yelling for NCC to run the wildcat offense and not put Stanek in. Heck, most of them didn't even know his name.  Had his last pass been caught and not dropped (it was right on the money) NCC would have at least had a chance to try a field goal with two seconds left in regulation.

newcardfan,

I personally think that their is some biased opinions that you have with the younger players at NCC based on the fact that you have a son in a younger class. I don't blame you for it but am pointing it out and I have seen and heard this before from other parents, posters, grandparents...ect.

What is Stanek's previous experience with pressure situations as you eluted to in your post ("that he is no stranger to pressure situations?") I am not asking this as a jab at you but am really curious to know what other situations that he has been in that would compare to the one from this past week. If you wanted to look at it bluntly as I would see it, Stanek came into the game and NCC lost. Had Fanthorpe been in the game, I believe that they would have had a better opportunity to win.

IMHO NCC could have still lost had Fanthorpe played the entire game. IWU without a doubt has a great defense and played well enough to win so there is nothing to take away from them.  

[HScoach]

Mugsy, you are correct - IWU, Wheaton, and NCC all have SOS numbers WAY higher than any of the undefeated teams (including MUC).

That is where the OAC's 9 game conference season schedule hurts them.  They only have 1 chance of out conference to gain some points. 

There is no debate that the strength of the IWU, Wheaton and NCC's schedule is light years ahead of Wittenberg, Case and MSJ.  I'd easily pick a 7-3 CCIW or OAC team against a 10-0 version of those three teams.  Anytime.  Anywhere. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Final:

IWU 20
Elmhurst 7


The Titans move to 3-1 (all 3 wins coming on the road) with three to play...

vs North Central
vs Wheaton
@ North Park


Would like to have that Millikin game back.

That's for sure - though it likely won't matter.

If we win out (a mighty big IF), we get the AQ anyway.

(But without that stumble, 2 wins would probably mean a Pool C; now it's almost certainly AQ or stay home.)

Well, the Millikin loss DOES loom big - lose Saturday and the post-season is gone.  (If we had beaten Millikin, we'd currently be #2 in the North, and would be a near-lock for a C even if the Thunder wins.)

Simple, guys - win or else on Saturday!

[Matilda]

Newcardfan- I won't give up that title so easily. To quote one of my favorite movie lines "you called down the Thunder well now you got it".

NCC was playing without their 4 senior Captains and the 4 best players at their respective positions in the cciw las saturday. While I think what they have done with their backups is admirable the 4 backups to those plays aren't the best players in the conference at their positions. Lest you forget the wheaton/ncc game was 7-7 at half and Fanthorpe went on to earn player of the week honors with his 2nd half performance (which also secured the game). I think its pretty simple....if Fanthorpe plays in the second half last saturday NCC wins that game easily. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delirious.

Usee...wow, glad to see you back! K+ for the appearance! 

i notice your karma is 63 hmmmm it should be higher have you been standing around like a cigar store native american down there at your school

[New Tradition]

i notice your karma is 63 hmmmm it should be higher have you been standing around like a cigar store native american down there at your school

I should DOCK your karma for your political correctness.  

It was up to 64 but someone smote me (huge fan or the past tense of smite...been waiting to use that one). 

C'est la vie.

[NCF]

Anyone that was at the game would know that IWU controlled the game in the first half. Just because Fanthorpe rallied his team against Wheaton in the second half doesn't mean it's an automatic that he will do it against IWU.

While I hate to admit it, it was absolutely true. You had to see it to believe it. While Stanek is no Fanthorpe,  he had confidence and composure during the second half.Stanek is no stranger to pressure situations and he gave NCC new life when many people thought it was over. Some of the fans were yelling for NCC to run the wildcat offense and not put Stanek in. Heck, most of them didn't even know his name.  Had his last pass been caught and not dropped (it was right on the money) NCC would have at least had a chance to try a field goal with two seconds left in regulation.

newcardfan,

I personally think that their is some biased opinions that you have with the younger players at NCC based on the fact that you have a son in a younger class. I don't blame you for it but am pointing it out and I have seen and heard this before from other parents, posters, grandparents...ect.

What is Stanek's previous experience with pressure situations as you eluted to in your post ("that he is no stranger to pressure situations?") I am not asking this as a jab at you but am really curious to know what other situations that he has been in that would compare to the one from this past week. If you wanted to look at it bluntly as I would see it, Stanek came into the game and NCC lost. Had Fanthorpe been in the game, I believe that they would have had a better opportunity to win.

IMHO NCC could have still lost had Fanthorpe played the entire game. IWU without a doubt has a great defense and played well enough to win so there is nothing to take away from them.  

I've watched Stanek (and some of the younger players) play throughout their high school careers. When you play in a program like LWE most of your games are played under pressure. I never said Stanek was better than Fanthorpe, but he did revive NCC in the 2nd half. I also don't think the younger players are better than the older ones.Not only do they have to learn the system, but they need to become much stronger. I know how much time my son put in over the summer to get ready for this season(he actually became friends with a Carthage senior who was his trainer) and after the first few days of camp knew he had to make some changes in certain areas in order to be ready for next season.  The IWU game is history and the focus should be on winning the next two games(hopefully without any more injuries).

[iwu4ever]

any update on Fanthorpe for this w-end? And what was his injury, rumors and reports had: concussion, hip, deep thigh, heel spurs??? And is it season ending or week to week?

[Mugsy]

Mugsy, you are correct - IWU, Wheaton, and NCC all have SOS numbers WAY higher than any of the undefeated teams (including MUC).

That is where the OAC's 9 game conference season schedule hurts them.  They only have 1 chance of out conference to gain some points. 

There is no debate that the strength of the IWU, Wheaton and NCC's schedule is light years ahead of Wittenberg, Case and MSJ.  I'd easily pick a 7-3 CCIW or OAC team against a 10-0 version of those three teams.  Anytime.  Anywhere. 

Yup... Probably 2-3 teams in the CCIW & OAC better than some undefeated teams in other conferences.  That is the way it goes...

[Son of Tailgater]

Anyone that was at the game would know that IWU controlled the game in the first half. Just because Fanthorpe rallied his team against Wheaton in the second half doesn't mean it's an automatic that he will do it against IWU.

While I hate to admit it, it was absolutely true. You had to see it to believe it. While Stanek is no Fanthorpe,  he had confidence and composure during the second half.Stanek is no stranger to pressure situations and he gave NCC new life when many people thought it was over. Some of the fans were yelling for NCC to run the wildcat offense and not put Stanek in. Heck, most of them didn't even know his name.  Had his last pass been caught and not dropped (it was right on the money) NCC would have at least had a chance to try a field goal with two seconds left in regulation.

newcardfan,

I personally think that their is some biased opinions that you have with the younger players at NCC based on the fact that you have a son in a younger class. I don't blame you for it but am pointing it out and I have seen and heard this before from other parents, posters, grandparents...ect.

What is Stanek's previous experience with pressure situations as you eluted to in your post ("that he is no stranger to pressure situations?") I am not asking this as a jab at you but am really curious to know what other situations that he has been in that would compare to the one from this past week. If you wanted to look at it bluntly as I would see it, Stanek came into the game and NCC lost. Had Fanthorpe been in the game, I believe that they would have had a better opportunity to win.

IMHO NCC could have still lost had Fanthorpe played the entire game. IWU without a doubt has a great defense and played well enough to win so there is nothing to take away from them.  

I've watched Stanek (and some of the younger players) play throughout their high school careers. When you play in a program like LWE most of your games are played under pressure. I never said Stanek was better than Fanthorpe, but he did revive NCC in the 2nd half. I also don't think the younger players are better than the older ones.Not only do they have to learn the system, but they need to become much stronger. I know how much time my son put in over the summer to get ready for this season(he actually became friends with a Carthage senior who was his trainer) and after the first few days of camp knew he had to make some changes in certain areas in order to be ready for next season.  The IWU game is history and the focus should be on winning the next two games(hopefully without any more injuries).

Thank you for the insight on Stanek. It would be interesting to see how he responds the the pressure of starting this week against Augie.....if Fanthrope is not good to go (which I assume he will be).

Playing at Lincoln Way East and playing as a Freshman at a highly ranked D3 school is quite a different comparison when it comes to pressure. I am still not sure how he revived NCC with a 36% completion ranking and an OT loss.