FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[FormerCard]

To elaborate on the Jones v Fanthorpe debate here are the numbers:

PASSING AVG      Team Cl   G  Att   Cmp Int  Pct.  Yds  TD Avg/G
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1. Jones, Evan.... CART JR 10 464 309  14  66.6 3554 32 355.4
3. Fanthorpe, A    NCC  SR 10 208 142   7  68.3 2096 28 209.6

TOTAL OFFENSE    Team Cl G  Rush Pass Plays Total Yds/G
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1. Jones, Evan.... CART JR 10  101 3554   524  3655 365.5
2. Fanthorpe, A    NCC  SR 10  330 2096   274  2426 242.6

PASS EFFICIENCY Tm   Cl  G   Att Cmp Int  Pct.   Yds   TD  Eff.
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1. Fanthorpe, A  NCC  SR 10 208 142   7   68.3 2096 28 190.6
2. Jones, Evan...CART  JR 10 464 309  14  66.6 3554 32 147.7

I would argue that Evan Jones was as important or more to Carthage as Fanthorpe was to NCC. Without Fanthorpe NCC still got the game vs IWU to OT. Without Jones, Carthage certainly probably finishes with a losing record. (By the way, Jones had 7 more INT than Fanthorpe but he also threw the ball 256 more times  )

To say it another way, Evan Jones accounted for 79% of his teams' offensive production over the course of the whole season (3,655 yds/4,639 yds). Aaron Fanthorpe accounted for 50% of NCC's offense (2,426 yds/4,879) which is very good but Jone's numbers are ridiculous. To put it into perspective, Mt Union's Greg Micheli accounted for 53% of their offense through 15 games last year on their way to the National Championship. He was the Gagliardi award winner.

Accounting for nearly 80% of a teams offense is pretty unheard of...I guess this debate could go on for hours..thankfully the All-Conference teams will be out in the next two hours so we dont have long to wait! 

[Pat Coleman]

Anyone care to calculate yards per attempt and such there?

[usee]

Jones averaged about 7.8 yds per attempt and Fantorpe about 10.1 yds per attempt. I guess I would attribute that to the offensive style as much as anything. Who knows.

[cardinaldad]

A bit late, but I wanted to comment and compliment how hard Elmhurst played Saturday. I don't feel that the score was indicative of how they played. They played hard and fought the entire game. I am surprised at their final conference record.

[cardinaldad]

    Congrats to co-champions NCC and IWU.
NCC players, you had a great season. Hold your heads high and get 'em next year. I am one who believes that you should be in the tournament!
     IWU, good luck!! Do our conference proud!

[cardinaldad]

My point is a tournament with 32 teams isn't enough with over 230 DIII schools. Time to expand the field just a little bit. However, that change probably won't happen any time soon and in just four years I won't care anymore.

newcardfan - I kind of feel sorry for you if you are getting nothing out of this wonderful experience. I was excited about my sons' high school football team and to some extent, still am. I still go to a few of the ole high school games. They're fun! And I will continue to go to some NCC games. It's natural if you are a football fan and "buy into" the programs and support your son.  I feel that it is important for your son to know that you are as interested and involved as you can be. This displays your pride in the sacrifice and dedication he has made to the program.  If he is a true d3 football player, I'm sure NCC football will run through his veins for the rest of his life. After he is finished playing, wouldn't it be GREAT to experience a few games sitting in the stands with him?

[Dennis_Prikkel]

North Park needs to clean house - NOW.

Have you seen the 2009 CCIW football statistics.  Here they are:

http://www.cciw.org/fall_football/2009_Stats/CCIWOnly/CONFLDRS.HTM

most compelling stats to me:
in seven games NPU was inside the opponents 20-yard line just 11 times
NPU allowed over 500 yards per game
NPU had only 14 sacks in 7 games, but allowed 135 sacks.

North Park had nearly 100 players out for football this year, how many will still be in school the second semester?

Time to back up the truck.

dgp

[New Tradition]

After he is finished playing, wouldn't it be GREAT to experience a few games sitting in the stands with him?

If he's like the rest of us alumni, he'll be down in the North endzone!

[wally_wabash]

NPU had only 14 sacks in 7 games, but allowed 135 sacks.

20 sacks/game??  Is that even possible?

[usee]

They allowed 23 sacls for 135 yds

[Titan Q]

North Park needs to clean house - NOW.

Have you seen the 2009 CCIW football statistics.  Here they are:

http://www.cciw.org/fall_football/2009_Stats/CCIWOnly/CONFLDRS.HTM

most compelling stats to me:
in seven games NPU was inside the opponents 20-yard line just 11 times
NPU allowed over 500 yards per game
NPU had only 14 sacks in 7 games, but allowed 135 sacks.

North Park had nearly 100 players out for football this year, how many will still be in school the second semester?

Time to back up the truck.

dgp

Is there any talk at North Park about discontinuing the football program?  It just seems like there is no light at the end of the tunnel.  Is it worth it to keep fielding teams that are this uncompetitive?

[oldnuthin]

With the amount of time they have fielded a team, would a transfer to a less competitive conference help? the UMAC perhaps? They only put up 114 yards of offense on Millikin and I saw a post this week that it was -6 against IWU. I understand that Wood was an above average passer and they changed to the double wing after their win at Carroll? I tip my hat to their seniors though for staying with it for four years.

[NCF]

My point is a tournament with 32 teams isn't enough with over 230 DIII schools. Time to expand the field just a little bit. However, that change probably won't happen any time soon and in just four years I won't care anymore.

newcardfan - I kind of feel sorry for you if you are getting nothing out of this wonderful experience. I was excited about my sons' high school football team and to some extent, still am. I still go to a few of the ole high school games. They're fun! And I will continue to go to some NCC games. It's natural if you are a football fan and "buy into" the programs and support your son.  I feel that it is important for your son to know that you are as interested and involved as you can be. This displays your pride in the sacrifice and dedication he has made to the program.  If he is a true d3 football player, I'm sure NCC football will run through his veins for the rest of his life. After he is finished playing, wouldn't it be GREAT to experience a few games sitting in the stands with him?

Actually-NO.  It would be great to experience a lot of other things with him besides all of the sporting events we've been to over the years. If he decides to coach football and track like he is planning on doing right now, then I would go watch some of the games he coaches and hope he would talk things over with me like his older sister does now that she is a varsity coach.It is so much fun watching her develop her style while asking me for advice and finally understanding what made me become a coach and all the emotions and attachments a coach makes with his/her players.Besides all that, his younger sister will be in high school when he graduates and it will be time to support her at her events like we did with the other four kids.
Just a quick question for those in the know. Was reading a discussion on another message board about how much better NAIA is than NCAA Div III. Any thoughts,comments?

[oldnuthin]

My point is a tournament with 32 teams isn't enough with over 230 DIII schools. Time to expand the field just a little bit. However, that change probably won't happen any time soon and in just four years I won't care anymore.

newcardfan - I kind of feel sorry for you if you are getting nothing out of this wonderful experience. I was excited about my sons' high school football team and to some extent, still am. I still go to a few of the ole high school games. They're fun! And I will continue to go to some NCC games. It's natural if you are a football fan and "buy into" the programs and support your son.  I feel that it is important for your son to know that you are as interested and involved as you can be. This displays your pride in the sacrifice and dedication he has made to the program.  If he is a true d3 football player, I'm sure NCC football will run through his veins for the rest of his life. After he is finished playing, wouldn't it be GREAT to experience a few games sitting in the stands with him?

Actually-NO.  It would be great to experience a lot of other things with him besides all of the sporting events we've been to over the years. If he decides to coach football and track like he is planning on doing right now, then I would go watch some of the games he coaches and hope he would talk things over with me like his older sister does now that she is a varsity coach.It is so much fun watching her develop her style while asking me for advice and finally understanding what made me become a coach and all the emotions and attachments a coach makes with his/her players.Besides all that, his younger sister will be in high school when he graduates and it will be time to support her at her events like we did with the other four kids.
Just a quick question for those in the know. Was reading a discussion on another message board about how much better NAIA is than NCAA Div III. Any thoughts,comments?

this is from Keith's weekly column around the nation. Unfortunately it does not bare out the other boards supposition.

ince it's hard enough to keep track of the 238 teams and 28 conferences we follow, ATN keeps a watchful eye on Division III's record in out-of-classification competition.

In a snapshot of how conference-dependent Division III has become, only Wesley, still stuck in the four-team ACFC, is playing a non-division opponent in Week 10.

vs. Division I, FCS (0-0 in Week 9; 2-6 in 2009)
None

vs. Division II (0-1 in Week 9; 6-11 in 2009)
Lake Erie (independent) at No. 3 Wesley

vs. NAIA (0-2 in Week 9; 24-13 in 2009)
None

[Wags]

2009 COLLEGE CONFERENCE OF ILLINOIS &

CCIW



ART KELLER OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR – Aaron Fanthorpe – North Central

DON LARSON DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR – Nick Nikolich – Illinois Wesleyan

BOB READE COACH OF THE YEAR – Norm Eash – Illinois Wesleyan