FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[formerd3db]

Although slightly belated, my sincere congratulations to you jaybird and the mrs. on the birth of your new little one.  Glad to hear that everyone is doing well.  Enjoy to the most this milestone in your journey and all God's blessings to all of you.  Talk to you later.

[DIIIinVA]

Thought some on here might be interested: Wheaton alum Neal Neathery ('93) has been hired by Larry Coker as D Coordinator for the new football program Coker is building at UT San Antonio.


http://www.kens5.com/community/blogs/featured-blogs/DAVID-FLORES-Drake-coachs-hiring-at-UTSA-comes-as-no-surprise-87838837.html


http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13100&ATCLID=204909456

[Mugsy]

Thought some on here might be interested: Wheaton alum Neal Neathery ('93) has been hired by Larry Coker as D Coordinator for the new football program Coker is building at UT San Antonio.


http://www.kens5.com/community/blogs/featured-blogs/DAVID-FLORES-Drake-coachs-hiring-at-UTSA-comes-as-no-surprise-87838837.html


http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13100&ATCLID=204909456

Wow!  Congrats to Neil.

[oldnuthin]

Nice article on a wheaton football alum http://www.suntimes.com/sports/jensen/2119470,CST-SPT-sean24.article

[usee]

Augustana's nonconference football schedule is up on the school web site.

At Greenville
Central (IOWA)
At Adrian

This should be a good test for the Vikes before the CCIW season begins!!!

The first issue with this is that this is the baskeball board, not the football board. The second issue (and more serious) is the simple fact that Greenville does not constitute a "test" of any kind, let alone good preparation for the CCIW football slate. Central is a great team and program and Augie will have their hands full playing them. Adrian has been a middle of the pack MIAA team for a while (they were better last year, competing with Capital and Trine in close games) and their program seems to be getting better. I would like to see CCIW teams schedule less teams like Greenville and more teams like Central in football.

I'd say Greenville prepared Augustana pretty well for the CCIW slate including their best win of the season against Carthage that just happened to end with the same score as the Greenville game: 42-20.  Only Wheaton and North Central managed to put up more than 20 against the Vikings last year.  Find something else to complain about.

You bring up a good point. Versus Greenville Augie's offense scored Touchdown's on 4 of their 1st 6 possessions. Against Carthage, they scored TD's on 5 of their first 8 possessions. The similarities end there, however. Greenville had 226 yds of offense including a TD run of 65 yds and a TD pass of 69 yds (on a busted coverage). Take away those two plays and Greenville had less than 100 yds for the rest of the game (their 3rd TD was on a 92 yr punt return). So analyzing just the score doesn't result in any reasonable assessment of their readiness for CCIW play. Greenville was not competitive against Augie by almost any measure. I am not complaining just stating the facts.

The fact that you have to take away plays to make your point, illustrates my point.  I'm sure Augie learned many lessons from the Greenville scores which helped limit those plays in CCIW play.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a little closer game this year.

No, you missed my point. My point was Greenville was not competitive with Augie at any point during their game and it is not a good game to prepare a team for the CCIW schedule. The statistics from the Greenville game support that view. One guy busting a coverage or missing a tackle doesnt' prepare a team the way a 12 play 80 TD drive against you prepares a team. Augie dominated the game, start to finish and with opponents like the WIAC schools and other IIAC teams available I would think there is better competition to schedule. Obviously, there are other factors at work in the scheduling process than simply the best competition. We have seen this repeatedly from all the CCIW schools.

moving this discussion over from the CCIW basketball board.

[usee]

Augustana's nonconference football schedule is up on the school web site.

At Greenville
Central (IOWA)
At Adrian

This should be a good test for the Vikes before the CCIW season begins!!!

The first issue with this is that this is the baskeball board, not the football board. The second issue (and more serious) is the simple fact that Greenville does not constitute a "test" of any kind, let alone good preparation for the CCIW football slate. Central is a great team and program and Augie will have their hands full playing them. Adrian has been a middle of the pack MIAA team for a while (they were better last year, competing with Capital and Trine in close games) and their program seems to be getting better. I would like to see CCIW teams schedule less teams like Greenville and more teams like Central in football.

Adrian has finished 2nd the last two years and 5 of the last 8.  By no means are they a D3 power but they're a little better than just middle of the MIAA pack.

That's true but you also have to admit the parity in he MIAA means there isn't a big difference between the 2nd and 5th place team most of those years. But certainly Adrian has had a resurgence of late and has been more competitive. I also have been very impressed with Trine and I think their level of play and success in the playoffs will raise the bar in the MIAA for all the teams.

Also moved from basketball board.

[oldnuthin]

Augustana's nonconference football schedule is up on the school web site.

At Greenville
Central (IOWA)
At Adrian

This should be a good test for the Vikes before the CCIW season begins!!!

The first issue with this is that this is the baskeball board, not the football board. The second issue (and more serious) is the simple fact that Greenville does not constitute a "test" of any kind, let alone good preparation for the CCIW football slate. Central is a great team and program and Augie will have their hands full playing them. Adrian has been a middle of the pack MIAA team for a while (they were better last year, competing with Capital and Trine in close games) and their program seems to be getting better. I would like to see CCIW teams schedule less teams like Greenville and more teams like Central in football.

Adrian has finished 2nd the last two years and 5 of the last 8.  By no means are they a D3 power but they're a little better than just middle of the MIAA pack.

That's true but you also have to admit the parity in he MIAA means there isn't a big difference between the 2nd and 5th place team most of those years. But certainly Adrian has had a resurgence of late and has been more competitive. I also have been very impressed with Trine and I think their level of play and success in the playoffs will raise the bar in the MIAA for all the teams.

Also moved from basketball board.

Having seen Greenville scrimmage Millikin,their triple offense was alot of fun to watch, but their defense certainly was not up to what i saw in the cciw this year. If Augie was just going to play north Park, it would be a good tune up for them.

[79jaybird]

Greenville to Augie was like Elmhurst scheduling CURF  (before the Cougars were better)  It's a game that yes- gives you an easy W,  but doesn't truly exemplify what you see in the 7 weeks of the CCIW season.

Elmhurst has @Loras  Chicago  @Olivet  not completely sure on the order.  I know the Jays only have 4 home games again this year.

[New Tradition]

The Cardinals posted their 2010 schedule:

9/4/2010  @ Cornell College  
9/18/2010  @ Olivet College  
9/25/2010  University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire  
10/2/2010  Carthage College  
10/9/2010  @ Augustana College  
10/16/2010  Millikin University  
10/23/2010  Illinois Wesleyan University  
10/30/2010  @ Elmhurst College  
11/6/2010  @Wheaton College  
11/13/2010  North Park University

I like Eau Claire, wish we would have kept Ohio Northern on the schedule, though...would have made it a pretty tough non-conference schedule.  Although I'm intrigued by the Cornell matchup simply because when I was deciding where to go to college, I had it narrowed down to Cornell and NCC.  (In hindsight I obviously made the right choice, although at the time Cornell was coming off a 7-3 season while NCC was only able to muster a 3-7 effort.)  They also start a week earlier and have a bye the second week.  This is the first time that this has been done since I have been following the program.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The Cardinals posted their 2010 schedule:

9/4/2010  @ Cornell College  
9/18/2010  @ Olivet College  
9/25/2010  University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire  
10/2/2010  Carthage College  
10/9/2010  @ Augustana College  
10/16/2010  Millikin University  
10/23/2010  Illinois Wesleyan University  
10/30/2010  @ Elmhurst College  
11/6/2010  @Wheaton College  
11/13/2010  North Park University

I like Eau Claire, wish we would have kept Ohio Northern on the schedule, though...would have made it a pretty tough non-conference schedule.  Although I'm intrigued by the Cornell matchup simply because when I was deciding where to go to college, I had it narrowed down to Cornell and NCC.  (In hindsight I obviously made the right choice, although at the time Cornell was coming off a 7-3 season while NCC was only able to muster a 3-7 effort.)  They also start a week earlier and have a bye the second week.  This is the first time that this has been done since I have been following the program.

I'd say if the Cards don't start 3-0, it is gonna be a long season in the CCIW.

A narrow loss to UWEC might be forgivable.

Cornell has rarely won a game this millennium.  Olivet is a low/average team in the weak MIAA.  UWEC has been a mid-range team in the strong WIAC - hardly a world-beater, but adequate.  If NCC starts any worse than 2-1, they're in deep doo-doo.

[New Tradition]

I'd say if the Cards don't start 3-0, it is gonna be a long season in the CCIW.

A narrow loss to UWEC might be forgivable.

Cornell has rarely won a game this millennium.  Olivet is a low/average team in the weak MIAA.  UWEC has been a mid-range team in the strong WIAC - hardly a world-beater, but adequate.  If NCC starts any worse than 2-1, they're in deep doo-doo.

Agreed.  I would have liked to have seen Ohio Northern, UW Eau Claire, and Olivet (or whoever in that third spot).

[ncc_fan]

I'd say if the Cards don't start 3-0, it is gonna be a long season in the CCIW.

A narrow loss to UWEC might be forgivable.

Cornell has rarely won a game this millennium.  Olivet is a low/average team in the weak MIAA.  UWEC has been a mid-range team in the strong WIAC - hardly a world-beater, but adequate.  If NCC starts any worse than 2-1, they're in deep doo-doo.

Agreed.  I would have liked to have seen Ohio Northern, UW Eau Claire, and Olivet (or whoever in that third spot).

...or that NCC, rather than Augie, had filled Central's open non-conference slot.  Augie vs. Central is a nice matchup, but I would love to see NCC vs. Central for a couple of years.

[usee]

Here are the non-conferece games for each of the CCIW teams for 2010:

Augie:
@ Greenville
v Central
@ Adrian

Carthage:
v Franklin
@ Lakeland
@ Concordia, Wisc.

Elmhurst:
@ Loras
@ Olivet
v Univ of Chicago

IWU:
@ Hope
v Alma
@ Aurora

Millikin:
@ Illinois College
v Hope
v Greenville

North Central:
@ Cornell
@ Olivet
v UW Eau Claire

North Park:
v Aurora
v Benedictine
v Macmurray

Wheaton:
@ Albion
v UW Platteville
@ Olivet

Only Millikin and NPU have more than 1 home game in the non-conference slate. Not a lot of Marquee matchups. The best game appears to be Augie v Central. Next best games I would say are NCC v UWEC, Carthage v Franklin and Wheaton v UWPlatteville. I would expect several teams to be 3-0 and would be surprised if anyone was worse than 2-1 in these games.

[Gregory Sager]

Although I'm intrigued by the Cornell matchup simply because when I was deciding where to go to college, I had it narrowed down to Cornell and NCC.  (In hindsight I obviously made the right choice, although at the time Cornell was coming off a 7-3 season while NCC was only able to muster a 3-7 effort.)

You "obviously made the right choice"? I don't see the obviousness in it. Of course, if your team's success on the gridiron is your sole criterion for validating your choice of college -- or even your primary criterion for validating it -- then, yes, you made the right choice. North Central was better in football than Cornell during your student era, so, if that's your Holy Grail when it comes to choosing a school, you chose wisely. But that's not a universal truism for every former college student -- even for a football alumnus -- so it's therefore not "obvious."

I'm not trying to be snarky here or to bust your chops out of boredom or malice or some misplaced sense of superiority. (Especially not the latter; one of the colleges to which I applied when I was seventeen drew my interest solely because the girls pictured in the school brochure were hot. And, no, the college in question was not a CCIW school. ) I'm simply saying that there are countless reasons for choosing a college, whether you're a student-athlete or just a student at large. Potential for team success in one's sport is only one of those reasons. Furthermore, when you come to the end of your college career, or even years afterward, you might reach the conclusion that your initial reason for choosing the school was not a particularly sound one, even if the experience turned out to be positive and you're now a supportive alumnus or alumna of the school.

If wins and losses on the football field are what validate for you in retrospect your choice of North Central over Cornell, that's fine, of course. It's your life. But it's not obvious, because not everybody starts with your set of preconceptions nor sees it all the same way you do in hindsight ... not even, I would dare to guess, your fellow Cardinals football alumni.

[Red Reign]

Although I'm intrigued by the Cornell matchup simply because when I was deciding where to go to college, I had it narrowed down to Cornell and NCC.  (In hindsight I obviously made the right choice, although at the time Cornell was coming off a 7-3 season while NCC was only able to muster a 3-7 effort.)

You "obviously made the right choice"? I don't see the obviousness in it. Of course, if your team's success on the gridiron is your sole criterion for validating your choice of college -- or even your primary criterion for validating it -- then, yes, you made the right choice. North Central was better in football than Cornell during your student era, so, if that's your Holy Grail when it comes to choosing a school, you chose wisely. But that's not a universal truism for every former college student -- even for a football alumnus -- so it's therefore not "obvious."

I'm not trying to be snarky here or to bust your chops out of boredom or malice or some misplaced sense of superiority. (Especially not the latter; one of the colleges to which I applied when I was seventeen drew my interest solely because the girls pictured in the school brochure were hot. And, no, the college in question was not a CCIW school. ) I'm simply saying that there are countless reasons for choosing a college, whether you're a student-athlete or just a student at large. Potential for team success in one's sport is only one of those reasons. Furthermore, when you come to the end of your college career, or even years afterward, you might reach the conclusion that your initial reason for choosing the school was not a particularly sound one, even if the experience turned out to be positive and you're now a supportive alumnus or alumna of the school.

If wins and losses on the football field are what validate for you in retrospect your choice of North Central over Cornell, that's fine, of course. It's your life. But it's not obvious, because not everybody starts with your set of preconceptions nor sees it all the same way you do in hindsight ... not even, I would dare to guess, your fellow Cardinals football alumni.

lol... easy coming from a North Park alumni... what's the streak? 10 years now? North Central builds champions on and off the field (along with many other teams in the CCIW). There is a huge connection between winning football games and being successful in life. It might sound smug, however, it is fair to say that anyone that is used to winning year after year, striving to be the best every opportunity possible, becomes a custom to that competitiveness.  That will carry on to anything after graduation and into life.

IMO, school like NCC, AC, WC are obvious choices for any D3 athlete.