FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mugsy]

NCC v St Norbert and then winner of ONU v Witt. NCC #1 seed over UWW but in same bracket. That game will be in Naperville though

Wheaton #2 seed in st Thomas bracket and faces coe then winner of wart burg v bethel

Just what everyone needs is a motivated, ticked off UWW team.  Yikes!

[Mr. Flynn]

I don't think many NCC fans wanted Whitewater in their bracket but you can't beat having a chance to host them instead.  Would be good to not have to hear their cannon if they got any points.

[thunder38]

both cciw teams got exactly what they were hoping...for the Thunder they avoid Mount Union and Whitewater in their bracket...for North Central they get the number one

however, the Thunder have a very middle heavy bracket as this may be the deepest bracket 1-7 (Benedictine doesn't really count in this one) and North Central has four undefeateds....just for the sake of optimism: Battle for the Bell, National Championship style?

[Titan Q]

Seems like a great bracket for the CCIW teams.

* UW-Whitewater will have to come to North Central in Round 3 (assuming both are alive)...and if the Cards survive, they can get to Salem without having to deal with Mount Union (they'd go to Wesley).


* Pool C Wheaton doesn't have to see UW-Whitewater or Mount Union before the quarterfinals.  The Thunder, with wins in Rounds 1 & 2, would get St. Thomas in Round 3.


This is as good of a draw as the CCIW has had in a long, long time.  

[Titan Q]

If UWW finishes the season undefeated, in what is considered the toughest conference in the country by many, and remain undefeated throughout the play-offs, they will not see a bus until the middle of December, IMHO. That goes for the Raiders as well.

If NCC wins in rounds 1 and 2, Whitewater will be on a bus for the December 4 game @ NCC.

If St. Thomas is still alive after 3 rounds, Mount Union will be on a bus for a December 11 game @ St. Thomas.

[thunder38]

If UWW finishes the season undefeated, in what is considered the toughest conference in the country by many, and remain undefeated throughout the play-offs, they will not see a bus until the middle of December, IMHO. That goes for the Raiders as well.

If NCC wins in rounds 1 and 2, Whitewater will be on a bus for the December 4 game @ NCC.

If St. Thomas is still alive after 3 rounds, Mount Union will be on a bus for a December 11 game @ St. Thomas.

that would be Mount Union's first road playoff game since 1996 if memory serves correct.

[usee]

Mt union to st Thomas is a plane me thinks

[Mr. Ypsi]

If UWW finishes the season undefeated, in what is considered the toughest conference in the country by many, and remain undefeated throughout the play-offs, they will not see a bus until the middle of December, IMHO. That goes for the Raiders as well.

If NCC wins in rounds 1 and 2, Whitewater will be on a bus for the December 4 game @ NCC.

If St. Thomas is still alive after 3 rounds, Mount Union will be on a bus for a December 11 game @ St. Thomas.

Haven't checked the NCAA mileage calculator, but I would assume that UMU would be flying to St. Paul - so technically Goal Line Stand was half right!

Would I be correct is remembering/assuming that this is the first time ever that the conference has two top 2 seeds?

[Titan Q]

Yah.....NCC deserves a #1 over UWW.....what a JOKE!  That is a travesty.........

Based on this season (which is all that is factored in), and the criteria used, why is that a "travesty"?

[Mr. Flynn]

Yah.....NCC deserves a #1 over UWW.....what a JOKE!  That is a travesty.........

Based on this season (which is all that is factored in), and the criteria used, why is that a "travesty"?

NCAA is supposed to be unbiased so each new season should be a clean slate regardless of what teams did in the past.  As far as I know the NCAA hasn't made Mount Union and Whitewater the official game sites for the Division 3 semifinals.

[Titan Q]

As I posted on the WIAC board...

Official criteria laid out in the 2010 Championships Handbook...

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2010/10_3_football.pdf

•   Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.

•   Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
-   Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP), weighted 2/3.
-   Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP), weighted 1/3.
See Appendix J for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.

•   In-region head-to-head competition.

•   In-region results versus common regional opponents.

•   In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.


Here are the final SoS figures of the top teams:

Wesley .608
St. Thomas .548
N. Central. .523
Mount Union .512
UMHB .502
UW-Whitewater .487


The committee does not factor in past seasons (and the fact that UW-Whitewater is the defending national champion).  They also don't consider the reality that Whitewater can't find good in-region D3 teams to play them.

I think everyone knows the Warhawks are either the best or second best team the country, but based on the system used there are other teams that are very strong on paper too.

And remember, Whitewater has been the #2 seed in the West (behind St. Thomas) in every regional ranking released, correct? 

From a "common sense" standpoint, or from a "pure football" standpoint, I think we all know Whitewater is one of the top 2 teams in the country...and certainly one of the top 4.  But the Division III selection criteria sometimes does not produce results that make common sense.

One thing I think it's very important to keep in mind though is that what happened last year, or the last 5 years, is not a factor.  And I agree with that...no team should enter the season with an advantage based on the year before. 

Based on 2010 results, and on the system that is clearly laid out upfront, North Central had a great case to be a #1 seed.  Again, not saying I think NCC is better than Whitewater, but using the criteria NCC comes out very strong.

[Titan Q]

WIAC board post...

WOW. How does the champion of a conference of schools that are too scared to schedule us pull rank over us!?!?! Triple monkey stomp in Naperville IFNorth Central even makes it that far. Enjoy the complimentary NCAA road accomodations. I guess the Warhawks get two free vacations before they get to Salem. The crossaint sandwich spread at the Hilton in 05 was AMAZING. Thank you NCAA......


BTW, the CCIW sucks. I don't even care about being facetious anymore. I think it's funny that we have to "upset" the underdog to make it to Salem.

The UWW fans are seriously fired up.

[Gregory Sager]

The post Bob just quoted may not even be the worst of them.

There's a whole pile of disrespect being dumped on NCC in the WIAC room (with collateral dis falling on the CCIW as a whole, as the above quote indicates).

[skunks_sidekick]

Yah.....NCC deserves a #1 over UWW.....what a JOKE!  That is a travesty.........

Based on this season (which is all that is factored in), and the criteria used, why is that a "travesty"?

You are seriously delusional if you think that NCC should be a #1 seed over UWW.  DELUSIONAL.......SOS?  Seriously?  No one will PLAY UWW........SOS is a total joke.  

Wesley the overall #1 seed.......seriously??  That is an even bigger joke.  

Quit burying your head in numbers, and have some practical football sense.  

[02 Warhawk]

As I posted on the WIAC board...

Official criteria laid out in the 2010 Championships Handbook...

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/football/2010/10_3_football.pdf

•   Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.

•   Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
-   Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OWP), weighted 2/3.
-   Opponents' Opponents' Average Winning Percentage (OOWP), weighted 1/3.
See Appendix J for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.

•   In-region head-to-head competition.

•   In-region results versus common regional opponents.

•   In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.


Here are the final SoS figures of the top teams:

Wesley .608
St. Thomas .548
N. Central. .523
Mount Union .512
UMHB .502
UW-Whitewater .487


The committee does not factor in past seasons (and the fact that UW-Whitewater is the defending national champion).  They also don't consider the reality that Whitewater can't find good in-region D3 teams to play them.

I think everyone knows the Warhawks are either the best or second best team the country, but based on the system used there are other teams that are very strong on paper too.

And remember, Whitewater has been the #2 seed in the West (behind St. Thomas) in every regional ranking released, correct? 

From a "common sense" standpoint, or from a "pure football" standpoint, I think we all know Whitewater is one of the top 2 teams in the country...and certainly one of the top 4.  But the Division III selection criteria sometimes does not produce results that make common sense.

One thing I think it's very important to keep in mind though is that what happened last year, or the last 5 years, is not a factor.  And I agree with that...no team should enter the season with an advantage based on the year before. 

Based on 2010 results, and on the system that is clearly laid out upfront, North Central had a great case to be a #1 seed.  Again, not saying I think NCC is better than Whitewater, but using the criteria NCC comes out very strong.

I'll play along...apart from what happen last year (i agee with you about that). Do you think NCC is a better team than UWW?