FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Mr. Ypsi]

And this isn't a matter of "D3 is turning into ...", either. The NCAA has been using pre-established criteria in selecting and seeding its D3 tournaments for many years now.

Except UWW and Mount Union have never had the best SOS. Yet they've always been a No. 1 seed. Therein lies the tub.

Is that the tub Grover Norquist want to shrink the government so much he can drown it in, or the one with three men?

Sorry.  You're such a good editor that even on your busiest days I don't get a chance for a cheap shot very often!

It DOES seem weird that in the same year they violate their criteria to jump UMU to #1 in the North, they FAIL to 'violate' criteria to give the defending champion, #1 ranked Warhawks a #1.  Odd.

[HScoach]

If you think Whitewater being a #2 seed will have anything to do with their preparation and desire hasn't been paying attention the last few years. 

[Mugsy]

Congratulations to Wheaton for making the playoffs.  Coe seems to be a clone of the IL. Wesleyan offense.
A lot of bubble screens with good blocking on the db.  Other types of shorter passes including late throws to the rb.  Single back runs up the middle using various delay and counter tactics.  Good luck to Coe on scouting the Wheaton offense.  Right now nobody but the Coaches knows what their going to run after the past two weeks.

Guess only one CCIW team made the playoffs!   

Have you seen the Thundercat offense Wheaton used for half the game against Milikin?

Yeah.  It was very similar to the one that NCC used to destory Wheaton in the 1st half on Nov. 6th.

[footballfan413]

And this isn't a matter of "D3 is turning into ...", either. The NCAA has been using pre-established criteria in selecting and seeding its D3 tournaments for many years now.

Except UWW and Mount Union have never had the best SOS. Yet they've always been a No. 1 seed. Therein lies the tub.

Is that the tub Grover Norquist want to shrink the government so much he can drown it in, or the one with three men?

Sorry.  You're such a good editor that even on your busiest days I don't get a chance for a cheap shot very often!

It DOES seem weird that in the same year they violate their criteria to jump UMU to #1 in the North, they FAIL to 'violate' criteria to give the defending champion, #1 ranked Warhawks a #1.  Odd.

That's all we have been saying, don't defend their, "strict use of Criteria," when they pick and choose when to use it.   Common opponent scores from games against UW-RF and UW-EC, this season, does favor UWW over UST and NCC, BTW.
 But, we all gotta win a few games before I can watch the Hawks play in my backyard.  Hope it happens.  

[dansand]

All this wailing and gnashing of teeth makes me chuckle a bit. This is really nothing new:

  *Augie in 1984. Undefeated defending national champion--sent to Dayton in the first round.

  *1986. Undefeated (although w/ a tie) 3-time defending national champion--sent to Hope in round one and Mt. Union in round two.

  *1987. Undefeated 4-time defending national champion (60 straight games w/o a loss)--sent to Dayton in round two.

I know that was a  long time ago and with a different playoff setup, but it's really nothing new. Just play the games.

And comparisons to the BCS system? Really? C'mon. The championship is actually going to be settled on the field. The way it should be.

[Mr. Ypsi]

And this isn't a matter of "D3 is turning into ...", either. The NCAA has been using pre-established criteria in selecting and seeding its D3 tournaments for many years now.

Except UWW and Mount Union have never had the best SOS. Yet they've always been a No. 1 seed. Therein lies the tub.

Is that the tub Grover Norquist want to shrink the government so much he can drown it in, or the one with three men?

Sorry.  You're such a good editor that even on your busiest days I don't get a chance for a cheap shot very often!

It DOES seem weird that in the same year they violate their criteria to jump UMU to #1 in the North, they FAIL to 'violate' criteria to give the defending champion, #1 ranked Warhawks a #1.  Odd.

That's all we have been saying, don't defend their, "strict use of Criteria," when they pick and choose when to use it.   Common opponent scores from games against UW-RF and UW-EC, this season, does favor UWW over UST and NCC, BTW.
 But, we all gotta win a few games before I can watch the Hawks play in my backyard.  Hope it happens.  

Well, that's not ALL that UWW supporters have been saying , but noted.

And dansand weighs in with a bit of sanity from the past.

[dansand]

And dansand weighs in with a bit of sanity from the past.

The past was the only time I had any sanity.

[bleedpurple]

Certainly mean no disrespect to NC or the CCIW in terms of the level of upset here in WIAC country today.  Congrats on a great season.  Would it be controversial to suggest that  maybe Mt Union should be a #2 instead of UWW?  I mean, if we're throwing out the past, let's go whole hog.

Since the second regional rankings for the North had #1 Wheaton, #2 NCC, #3 UMU, and NCC proceeded to dismantle Wheaton (28-6), followed by UMU jumping to #1, I daresay there are many who would agree!

I suspect essentially everyone here is shocked that UMU and UWW are not both #1 seeds.

BUT, by the published criteria (which don't include what you did last year), what argument can you really make that THIS year UWW deserves a #1 any MORE than 10-0 St. Thomas or 10-0 NCC?

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North Central's non-conference Schedule:

Cornell (0-10)
Olivet (0-10)
UW-Eau Claire (4-6)

If that isn't a strong enough "Strength of Schedule" to leapfrog the defending National Champions, I don't know what would be.  

Maybe the committee took previous years' accomplishments into consideration more than we thought.  After all, it was way back in 2007 that UW-W beat North Central by 31 points.  Since then, all these purple tinted glass wearing Warhawks backers seem to forget that NCC won a playoff game.  Yep, they beat Thomas More. And by 21 POINTS, too! Yep. Three touchdowns baby.  

The good news, is that the committee's opinion will be virtually meaningless when the teams take the field.  The most meaningful thing that comes to my mind at this point is October 2, 2004.

October 2, 2004: The date of the last Division 3 road game that UW-W lost in any city other than Salem, VA.

[02 Warhawk]

Certainly mean no disrespect to NC or the CCIW in terms of the level of upset here in WIAC country today.  Congrats on a great season.  Would it be controversial to suggest that  maybe Mt Union should be a #2 instead of UWW?  I mean, if we're throwing out the past, let's go whole hog.

Since the second regional rankings for the North had #1 Wheaton, #2 NCC, #3 UMU, and NCC proceeded to dismantle Wheaton (28-6), followed by UMU jumping to #1, I daresay there are many who would agree!

I suspect essentially everyone here is shocked that UMU and UWW are not both #1 seeds.

BUT, by the published criteria (which don't include what you did last year), what argument can you really make that THIS year UWW deserves a #1 any MORE than 10-0 St. Thomas or 10-0 NCC?

[/b]

North Central's non-conference Schedule:

Cornell (0-10)
Olivet (0-10)
UW-Eau Claire (4-6)

If that isn't a strong enough "Strength of Schedule" to leapfrog the defending National Champions, I don't know what would be.  

Maybe the committee took previous years' accomplishments into consideration more than we thought.  After all, it was way back in 2007 that UW-W beat North Central by 31 points.  Since then, all these purple tinted glass wearing Warhawks backers seem to forget that NCC won a playoff game.  Yep, they beat Thomas More. And by 21 POINTS, too! Yep. Three touchdowns baby.  

The good news, is that the committee's opinion will be virtually meaningless when the teams take the field.  The most meaningful thing that comes to my mind at this point is October 2, 2004.

October 2, 2004: The date of the last Division 3 road game that UW-W lost in any city other than Salem, VA.

Unfortunately playing 2 winless teams is better than playing two NAIA teams

[Mr. Ypsi]

Also, unfortunately, SoS is not calculated only by non-conference games.  Overall, NCC .523; UWW .487.

You must have gotten let down by your 'weak' conference!

[And playing winless d3 teams is not better than playing NAIA teams.  NAIA games just don't count; winless d3 teams drag down your score.  That's why NCC had the lowest(?) SoS in the CCIW.]

[Red Reign]

Congratulations to the cards!!

Seeds really mean nothing. If you want to be considered the best, you have to beat the best.

Let's get it this year!

[MasterJedi]

Also, unfortunately, SoS is not calculated only by non-conference games.  Overall, NCC .523; UWW .487.

You must have gotten let down by your 'weak' conference!

[And playing winless d3 teams is not better than playing NAIA teams.  NAIA games just don't count; winless d3 teams drag down your score.  That's why NCC had the lowest(?) SoS in the CCIW.]

Well if UWW's NAIA wins could be counted it would help. Dakota State didn't win a game but Campbellsville was 7-4. That would have help boost the SOS for sure. Too bad the NCAA doesn't count ALL games for SOS.

[bleedpurple]

Also, unfortunately, SoS is not calculated only by non-conference games.  Overall, NCC .523; UWW .487.

You must have gotten let down by your 'weak' conference!

[And playing winless d3 teams is not better than playing NAIA teams.  NAIA games just don't count; winless d3 teams drag down your score.  That's why NCC had the lowest(?) SoS in the CCIW.]

Well if UWW's NAIA wins could be counted it would help. Dakota State didn't win a game but Campbellsville was 7-4. That would have help boost the SOS for sure. Too bad the NCAA doesn't count ALL games for SOS.

None of it matters. The Committee and Mr. Y are both on record as stating that North Central is better than UW-W. If I am reading Mr. Y correctly, "clearly better" may be the way he would phrase it.  We will find out soon enough. 

[FormerCard]

Certainly mean no disrespect to NC or the CCIW in terms of the level of upset here in WIAC country today.  Congrats on a great season.  Would it be controversial to suggest that  maybe Mt Union should be a #2 instead of UWW?  I mean, if we're throwing out the past, let's go whole hog.

Since the second regional rankings for the North had #1 Wheaton, #2 NCC, #3 UMU, and NCC proceeded to dismantle Wheaton (28-6), followed by UMU jumping to #1, I daresay there are many who would agree!

I suspect essentially everyone here is shocked that UMU and UWW are not both #1 seeds.

BUT, by the published criteria (which don't include what you did last year), what argument can you really make that THIS year UWW deserves a #1 any MORE than 10-0 St. Thomas or 10-0 NCC?

[/b]

North Central's non-conference Schedule:

Cornell (0-10)
Olivet (0-10)
UW-Eau Claire (4-6)

If that isn't a strong enough "Strength of Schedule" to leapfrog the defending National Champions, I don't know what would be.  

Maybe the committee took previous years' accomplishments into consideration more than we thought.  After all, it was way back in 2007 that UW-W beat North Central by 31 points.  Since then, all these purple tinted glass wearing Warhawks backers seem to forget that NCC won a playoff game.  Yep, they beat Thomas More. And by 21 POINTS, too! Yep. Three touchdowns baby.  

The good news, is that the committee's opinion will be virtually meaningless when the teams take the field.  The most meaningful thing that comes to my mind at this point is October 2, 2004.

October 2, 2004: The date of the last Division 3 road game that UW-W lost in any city other than Salem, VA.

News Flash:

UWW hasnt lost on the road in 6 years and may never lose on the road again!   No need for the other team to show up!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Also, unfortunately, SoS is not calculated only by non-conference games.  Overall, NCC .523; UWW .487.

You must have gotten let down by your 'weak' conference!

[And playing winless d3 teams is not better than playing NAIA teams.  NAIA games just don't count; winless d3 teams drag down your score.  That's why NCC had the lowest(?) SoS in the CCIW.]

Well if UWW's NAIA wins could be counted it would help. Dakota State didn't win a game but Campbellsville was 7-4. That would have help boost the SOS for sure. Too bad the NCAA doesn't count ALL games for SOS.

None of it matters. The Committee and Mr. Y are both on record as stating that North Central is better than UW-W. If I am reading Mr. Y correctly, "clearly better" may be the way he would phrase it.  We will find out soon enough. 

I don't recall ever saying NCC was 'clearly better' (or even 'better') than UWW.  I pointed out that, despite a horrid non-con slate, they had a higher SoS.  Kindly do not put words in my mouth - it is unsanitary.

IF UWW and NCC meet, I will predict UWW the winner (though being in Naperville might even the odds a bit).