FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

Hey - Greg Sager - Thanks for top billing on your Quotefest!!

Well, since yours was the post to which I was replying, rather than one of that long laundry list of quotes I cited, you aren't really in the same category as the foaming-at-the-mouth brigade on the WIAC board. But ... um, you're welcome.

Twas a frustrating day in our neck of the woods.  Let's bury the hatchet for a couple weeks at least ....

There's a little Paul Bunyan in all of you cheeseheads, isn't there?

[footballfan413]

Hey - Greg Sager - Thanks for top billing on your Quotefest!!

Well, since yours was the post to which I was replying, rather than one of that long laundry list of quotes I cited, you aren't really in the same category as the foaming-at-the-mouth brigade on the WIAC board. But ... um, you're welcome.

Twas a frustrating day in our neck of the woods.  Let's bury the hatchet for a couple weeks at least ....

There's a little Paul Bunyan in all of you cheeseheads, isn't there?

Don't assume all us WIACer's are cheeseheads.  There are a few of us FIB's in the mix.   

[usee]

As far as the scheduling question I am certain most of the CCIW football coaches (perhaps not all) and some of the schools as a whole have a policy they will not schedule games against top public schools as they believe their is an inherent advantage in cost and admission. I am not saying I agree but simply explaining the rationale.

I would add that just because NCC played a VERY weak ooc schedule doesn't mean they aren't a good team. They beat the weak teams the way they should have and they dominated every team in a fairly strong CCIW. They may not have what it takes to beat UWW but I think it's the best CCIW team we have had in the playoffs in a long time.  Having said that they have not performed very well in the playoffs in the last 5 yrs.

The UWEC game vs NCC was not close. UWEC never threatened to score. I would not characterize it as a "struggle" for NCC to win. I will say they were still figuring out things offensively but defensively they have dominated every team they have faced. I don't think NCC will have any trouble with any teams in their bracket before UWW comes calling. I also don't think their offense is good enough to beat UWW, even if they are good enough on defense and special teams.

If NCC plays well and ends up vs UWW in the bracket finale I feel confident UWW will say they were the best team they faced to that point but the Warhawks will likely prevail. It's a matchup that really hope takes place.

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[nccfac]

As far as the schedulimgnquestion I am certain most of the CCIW football coaches (perhaps not all) and some of the schools asna whole have a policy they will not schedule games against top public schools as they believe their is an inherent advantage in cost and admission. I am not saying I agree but simply explaining the rationale.

I would add that just because NCC played a VERY weak ooh schedule doesn't mean they aren't a good team. They beat the weak teams the way they should have and they dominated every team in a fairly strong CCIW. They may not have what it takes to beat UWW but I think it's the best CCIW team we have had in the playoffs in a long time.  Having said that they have not performed very well in the playoffs in the last 5 yrs.

I would also add that their ten week term makes a second game against them very difficult. Finals week is the week of Thanksgiving, meaning there is no practice on Monday thru Wednesday and not on Thanksgiving. that leaves Friday as the only day to practice for a Saturday second round opponent. This is D3 and academics do come first, so not having a semester schedule is a problem for the football program.

[ncc_fan]

As far as the schedulimgnquestion I am certain most of the CCIW football coaches (perhaps not all) and some of the schools asna whole have a policy they will not schedule games against top public schools as they believe their is an inherent advantage in cost and admission. I am not saying I agree but simply explaining the rationale.

I would add that just because NCC played a VERY weak ooh schedule doesn't mean they aren't a good team. They beat the weak teams the way they should have and they dominated every team in a fairly strong CCIW. They may not have what it takes to beat UWW but I think it's the best CCIW team we have had in the playoffs in a long time.  Having said that they have not performed very well in the playoffs in the last 5 yrs.

I would also add that their ten week term makes a second game against them very difficult. Finals week is the week of Thanksgiving, meaning there is no practice on Monday thru Wednesday and not on Thanksgiving. that leaves Friday as the only day to practice for a Saturday second round opponent. This is D3 and academics do come first, so not having a semester schedule is a problem for the football program.

NCC does practice during finals week (a.k.a. Thanksgiving week).  It's just not possible to be ready for a playoff game with one day of practice.  In 2006, NCC's first foray into the 2nd round, the team did forego the Thursday practice, and was blown out by Capital the following Saturday.  Lesson learned.  Thanksgiving day practices were held in 2007 and 2008.

One might argue that NCC's failure to get through the 2nd round of the playoffs has been due in part to the distraction of final exams, but you can't attribute it to lack of practice sessions.

[nccfac]

I would add that just because NCC played a VERY weak ooh schedule doesn't mean they aren't a good team. They beat the weak teams the way they should have and they dominated every team in a fairly strong CCIW. They may not have what it takes to beat UWW but I think it's the best CCIW team we have had in the playoffs in a long time.  Having said that they have not performed very well in the playoffs in the last 5 yrs.
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I would also add that their ten week term makes a second game against them very difficult. Finals week is the week of Thanksgiving, meaning there is no practice on Monday thru Wednesday and not on Thanksgiving. that leaves Friday as the only day to practice for a Saturday second round opponent. This is D3 and academics do come first, so not having a semester schedule is a problem for the football program.
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NCC does practice during finals week (a.k.a. Thanksgiving week).  It's just not possible to be ready for a playoff game with one day of practice.  In 2006, NCC's first foray into the 2nd round, the team did forego the Thursday practice, and was blown out by Capital the following Saturday.  Lesson learned.  Thanksgiving day practices were held in 2007 and 2008.

One might argue that NCC's failure to get through the 2nd round of the playoffs has been due in part to the distraction of final exams, but you can't attribute it to lack of practice sessions.
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Even if they use Thanksgiving they cannot all practice for a full week, this makes it difficult to prepare for a very strong opponent. I still feel this makes them vulnerable in this week.

[usee]

I believe the CCIW coaches meeting to select all conference players is Tuesday. So here are my picks for the conference awards and 1st team honors:

DPOY: Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
OPOY: Evan Jones, QB, NCC
COY: John Thorne, NCC

OFFENSE:
Evan Jones, QB, Carthage
Dion Wilson, RB, Millikin
Scottie Williams, RB, Elmhurst
Jordan Tassio, RB, NCC
Kyle Fiedorowicz, TE, NCC
Steve Hlavac, WR, NCC
Rodney Payton, WR, Elmhurst
Chris Schultz, WR, Carthage
Zac McCullogh, WR, Augie
Tommy Burgraaf, OL, Wheaton
Ray Krishok, OL, IWU
Nick Biggee, OL, Wheaton
Kyle Antos, OL, NCC
Terrance Clark, OL, Carthage

Special Teams:
Tyler Langs, RS
Tyler Funk, K, Carthage
Dennis Zic, P, IWU

Defense:

Josh Mcleod, DB, NCC
Tyler Langs, DB, Wheaton
Derek Sulo, DB, NCC
Brian Hipchen, DB, Carthage
Nick Pantaleo, DB, NPU
Brian McMullen, DB, Wheaton
Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
Randy Wright, LB, Elmhurst
Ryan Gresko, LB, IWU
John Mago, LB, Augustana
Joe Schneiderbauer, LB, NCC
Max Brooks, DL, IWU
Valente Garza, DL, NCC
JD East, DL, Wheaton
Curt Perschnick, DL, Augie

[CCRM Fan]

NAPERVILLE, Ill. – Augustana's Robert Wood, along with North Central's Joey Michals and Shane Dierking were named the College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin (CCIW) Football Players of the Week Monday.

Wood, a senior running back from Loves Park, Ill., and Rockford Boylan High School, rushed for a career-high 181 yards on 30 carries during the Vikings' 20-17 win over Illinois Wesleyan in the season finale for both teams on Saturday. Wood recorded the highest rushing total by an Augustana running back since Mike Guzman gained 220 yards against Central of Iowa in the opening game of the 2005 season. The victory allowed the Vikings to finish the season 6-4 overall and 4-3 in the CCIW. It was the 31st winning season in the last 32 years for Augustana. Wood ended the year with 698 yards rushing on 154 attempts with seven touchdowns. He is a Pre-Medicine (Biology) major.

Michals, a sophomore linebacker from Frankfort, Ill., and Providence Catholic High School, tallied a career high 13 tackles, including four solo as the team's middle linebacker, during North Central's 61-7 victory over North Park on Saturday. The win clinched the Cardinals the outright CCIW title. Michals is an English-Literature major.

Dierking, a freshman return specialist from Wheaton, Ill., and Wheaton-Warrenville South High School, ran a punt back 78 yards for a touchdown just before halftime of the Cardinals' victory over North Park. The punt return was the second longest in school history. Dierking also returned the opening kickoff 50 yards to set up North Central's offense with a short field on its first possession. He is a Business major.

This is my first post and i was just wondering if anyone knows how the POW are chosen because looking through all the statistics i am confused as to some of the picks for POW. For example, this weeks defensive player of the week had 13 tackles (only 4 of them solo) and earned the DPOW honors, and i noticed that a few other players in the conference had statistically better performances?

[hyrooster]

I believe the CCIW coaches meeting to select all conference players is Tuesday. So here are my picks for the conference awards and 1st team honors:

DPOY: Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
OPOY: Evan Jones, QB, NCC
COY: John Thorne, NCC

OFFENSE:
Evan Jones, QB, Carthage
Dion Wilson, RB, Millikin
Scottie Williams, RB, Elmhurst
Jordan Tassio, RB, NCC
Kyle Fiedorowicz, TE, NCC
Steve Hlavac, WR, NCC
Rodney Payton, WR, Elmhurst
Chris Schultz, WR, Carthage
Zac McCullogh, WR, Augie
Tommy Burgraaf, OL, Wheaton
Ray Krishok, OL, IWU
Nick Biggee, OL, Wheaton
Jeremy Schaub, OL, NCC
Terrance Clark, OL, Carthage

Special Teams:
Tyler Langs, RS
Tyler Funk, K, Carthage
Dennis Zic, P, IWU

Defense:

Josh Mcleod, DB, NCC
Tyler Langs, DB, Wheaton
Derek Sulo, DB, NCC
Brian Hipchen, DB, Carthage
Nick Pantaleo, DB, NPU
Brian McMullen, DB, Wheaton
Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
Randy Wright, LB, Elmhurst
Ryan Gresko, LB, IWU
John Mago, LB, Augustana
Joe Schneiderbauer, LB, NCC
Max Brooks, DL, IWU
Valente Garza, DL, NCC
JD East, DL, Wheaton
Curt Perschnick, DL, Augie

Just think if we really had Jones on NCC we wouldn't be as concerned as we are now about the Offense in the playoffs. Good post USee.

[footballfan413]

I would also add that their ten week term makes a second game against them very difficult. Finals week is the week of Thanksgiving, meaning there is no practice on Monday thru Wednesday and not on Thanksgiving. that leaves Friday as the only day to practice for a Saturday second round opponent. This is D3 and academics do come first, so not having a semester schedule is a problem for the football program.

Whoever is still playing in the 2nd week has the Turkey Day distraction if not finals.  Looking on the bright side, a semester schedule means that the participants in the Stagg Bowl deal with this same problem.  Many years, the players have had to hurry up and take some finals before they leave and some have them as soon as they get back.  Make it that far and your boys won't have that distraction in Salem.

[lakeshore]

I believe the CCIW coaches meeting to select all conference players is Tuesday. So here are my picks for the conference awards and 1st team honors:

DPOY: Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
OPOY: Evan Jones, QB, NCC
COY: John Thorne, NCC

OFFENSE:
Evan Jones, QB, Carthage
Dion Wilson, RB, Millikin
Scottie Williams, RB, Elmhurst
Jordan Tassio, RB, NCC
Kyle Fiedorowicz, TE, NCC
Steve Hlavac, WR, NCC
Rodney Payton, WR, Elmhurst
Chris Schultz, WR, Carthage
Zac McCullogh, WR, Augie
Tommy Burgraaf, OL, Wheaton
Ray Krishok, OL, IWU
Nick Biggee, OL, Wheaton
Jeremy Schaub, OL, NCC
Terrance Clark, OL, Carthage

Special Teams:
Tyler Langs, RS
Tyler Funk, K, Carthage
Dennis Zic, P, IWU

Defense:

Josh Mcleod, DB, NCC
Tyler Langs, DB, Wheaton
Derek Sulo, DB, NCC
Brian Hipchen, DB, Carthage
Nick Pantaleo, DB, NPU
Brian McMullen, DB, Wheaton
Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
Randy Wright, LB, Elmhurst
Ryan Gresko, LB, IWU
John Mago, LB, Augustana
Joe Schneiderbauer, LB, NCC
Max Brooks, DL, IWU
Valente Garza, DL, NCC
JD East, DL, Wheaton
Curt Perschnick, DL, Augie

Just think if we really had Jones on NCC we wouldn't be as concerned as we are now about the Offense in the playoffs. Good post USee.

pretty accurate Usee.  A tough year for OPOY because Jones throws for only 199 and 3 ints in season finale plus 11 total ints in CCIW play.  I have a hard time giving it to him but not sure who else would get it.  If Hlavac gets on the first team after missing almost 3 full conference games then WC QB Roberts is in the running for a 1st team bid as well.  3 4th quarter game winning comebacks and CCIW leader in passing efficiency.

I believe IWU WR Driver (8 conf tds) and AC WR Ball get the nod over AC WR McCullough by a land slide.

Also think NCC DE Clendenning and EC DB Lane get 1st team consideration based on conf stats.  Good discussion though.  Many many great and worthy players in the CCIW.

[FormerCard]

I believe the CCIW coaches meeting to select all conference players is Tuesday. So here are my picks for the conference awards and 1st team honors:

DPOY: Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
OPOY: Evan Jones, QB, NCC
COY: John Thorne, NCC

OFFENSE:
Evan Jones, QB, Carthage
Dion Wilson, RB, Millikin
Scottie Williams, RB, Elmhurst
Jordan Tassio, RB, NCC
Kyle Fiedorowicz, TE, NCC
Steve Hlavac, WR, NCC
Rodney Payton, WR, Elmhurst
Chris Schultz, WR, Carthage
Zac McCullogh, WR, Augie
Tommy Burgraaf, OL, Wheaton
Ray Krishok, OL, IWU
Nick Biggee, OL, Wheaton
Jeremy Schaub, OL, NCC
Terrance Clark, OL, Carthage

Special Teams:
Tyler Langs, RS
Tyler Funk, K, Carthage
Dennis Zic, P, IWU

Defense:

Josh Mcleod, DB, NCC
Tyler Langs, DB, Wheaton
Derek Sulo, DB, NCC
Brian Hipchen, DB, Carthage
Nick Pantaleo, DB, NPU
Brian McMullen, DB, Wheaton
Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
Randy Wright, LB, Elmhurst
Ryan Gresko, LB, IWU
John Mago, LB, Augustana
Joe Schneiderbauer, LB, NCC
Max Brooks, DL, IWU
Valente Garza, DL, NCC
JD East, DL, Wheaton
Curt Perschnick, DL, Augie

I dont know enough about the other teams in the conference to comment on the entire list, but I would think that Kyle Antos (NCC offensive lineman), will get the nod on the 1st team as well.

[hyrooster]

I believe the CCIW coaches meeting to select all conference players is Tuesday. So here are my picks for the conference awards and 1st team honors:

DPOY: Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
OPOY: Evan Jones, QB, NCC
COY: John Thorne, NCC

OFFENSE:
Evan Jones, QB, Carthage
Dion Wilson, RB, Millikin
Scottie Williams, RB, Elmhurst
Jordan Tassio, RB, NCC
Kyle Fiedorowicz, TE, NCC
Steve Hlavac, WR, NCC
Rodney Payton, WR, Elmhurst
Chris Schultz, WR, Carthage
Zac McCullogh, WR, Augie
Tommy Burgraaf, OL, Wheaton
Ray Krishok, OL, IWU
Nick Biggee, OL, Wheaton
Jeremy Schaub, OL, NCC
Terrance Clark, OL, Carthage

Special Teams:
Tyler Langs, RS
Tyler Funk, K, Carthage
Dennis Zic, P, IWU

Defense:

Josh Mcleod, DB, NCC
Tyler Langs, DB, Wheaton
Derek Sulo, DB, NCC
Brian Hipchen, DB, Carthage
Nick Pantaleo, DB, NPU
Brian McMullen, DB, Wheaton
Matt Wenger, LB, NCC
Randy Wright, LB, Elmhurst
Ryan Gresko, LB, IWU
John Mago, LB, Augustana
Joe Schneiderbauer, LB, NCC
Max Brooks, DL, IWU
Valente Garza, DL, NCC
JD East, DL, Wheaton
Curt Perschnick, DL, Augie

I dont know enough about the other teams in the conference to comment on the entire list, but I would think that Kyle Antos (NCC offensive lineman), will get the nod on the 1st team as well.

That was going to be my next post also.

[usee]

oops. Absolutely Kyle Antos is a first team All Conf lineman. That was my mistake. I meant to have him instead of Schaub. He is a guranteed 1st teamer.

On Joey Driver, I think he may end up on the first team and he is certainly worthy. He established himself as the CCIW big play guy and a player every team has to worry about. I gave the nod to McCullough over Driver because Augie beat IWU in their last game and I think that's close to how it will work in the balloting. In terms of Ball vs McCullough, it really depends on which one Coach Barnes pushes in the meeting. Whomever he nominates is a 1st teamer but I think McCoullough is the best receiver on their team and one of the better receivers in the conference. Ball has more catches because he is a possesion guy but McCullough averaged a league high 23.1 ypc (and #2 is not even close) vs Ball 10.1 ypc. I put Hlavac on there because I think he is that good. He is the best reciever in the conference and if he was healthy is the type of player who could be a player of the year candidate.

I really like Jamal Lane and he may also end up on the first team. DB was the hardest position for me to choose because there are a lot of good ones. In the end I chose Hipchen over Lane based on the Carthage win over Elmhurst.

If you look at the standings in football, it mirrors the number of All Conf selections maybe even more so than other sports. Not necessarily fair, but a reality. If 2 players are close, most coaches will vote for the team that beat the other team. Also, coaches have to be strategic about who they nominate as they can split votes with other players and not get either (i.e. Ball and McCullough).