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[TCrawf5825]

    ]My hats off to the kids  from both teams though for playing a good clean game.

[/ftp]TCrawf5825 - Do you really believe ONU played a clean game? I was growing tired and concerned of their pile picking tactics, especially early on in the game. I don't know if they were trying to intimidate us or what.......but on at least to or three occasions NCC had players coming off the field gimping or shaken up after getting picked off! I hadn't seen anything that blatant since the Bear/Packer games when Forrest Greg was coaching the Packers. I can still envision Matt Suhey getting knocked off of the tv screen AFTER a play.........I saw REPEATED similar play on saturday. One time I can overlook ans attribute it to being an aggressive mistake. Repeated pile picking, I can't.


   Cardinaldad  -- I felt the penalties on both sides were due to hustle.  What you call pilling on I call gang tackling.  I respect your opinion though.  NCC "gang tackles alot as well.  The only really dirty team that I recall NCC playing this year was Ill Weslyan

[footballfan413]

   
     Matt Wenger, YOU ARE REDICULOUS!! What a game you had yesterday! Thanks for the entertainment. I couldn't think of a better way to spend a Saturday afternoon!   

A big congrats to NCC on their win yesterday.  Looks like we have the marque match up that everyone has been waiting for.  Looking forward to some fun in Naperville.
         And a big shout out to Matt Wenger on his huge game yesterday.  I do love a stellar performance by a linebacker! 

[Augie6]

Congrats to NCC on a big win yesteday.  Might have to make the trip from Wheaton to Naperville to watch NCC take on UWW next Saturday.  Also, congrats to Wheaton on a very good season.  Sounds like it was a tough loss for the Thunder.  Would have been great to have two CCIW programs in the quarters.

[CardinalAlum]

  I have two masters degrees, so much for being an idiot.  Washed-up is probably a good name for you if your reduced to insults on a chat board. Here is your websters definition of sarcasm straight from websters

"a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain" nowhere does it mention intelligent ( is that good enough for you ) 

As far as the mistakes go yes they are avoidable but your critising (mispelled for you benefit) a coach who has taken the team farther than it is ever gone in it's history.  Maybe if your so smart you can be his successor

Interesting....I have always felt that Washdup would have been a great football coach!   

[Red Reign]

Congrats the Wheaton on a fine season and representing the CCIW with class as always (cringing).


Revenge will be sweet this Saturday. Cards look tough to beat against ONU. ONU is a GOOD football team, just look at their track record this year. For the exception of MUC they ran through the OAC and the Cards handled them quite well. I truly believe this year NCC team is a team of destiny to Salem. It's FINALLY time for a new team to rise.

Watch for NCC to shock UWW with a +14 win.

Also, watch for UMHB to win and give NCC another home playoff game.

Get your popcorn ready...

[TCrawf5825]

I believe an NCC upset is a good possibility but 14 PTS ? Your a brave man !!

[Titan Q]

Okay, so what do you all really think NCC's chances are against UWW next week?

I think it's fair to say that North Central will be the best defensive team Whitewater has faced this year.  Against Stout, Stevens Point, and La Crosse - the 3 best WIAC defensive teams after Whitewater (opponent PPG) - the Warhawks scored 30, 27, and 24 points respectively.  (Whitewater averaged 49.3 ppg in its 9 other games this year.)

I think there is legitimate reason to believe North Central can hold UWW to 21-24 points.  It certainly won't be easy, but it's possible. 

It sounds simple, but I think it all comes down to NCC's ability to put enough points on the board.  UWW's opponents average 11.6 ppg on the season.  NCC's offense averages 39.9 points per game.  Obviously something has to give there. 

Usee has said (quote below) that he questions whether or not the Cardinals have enough elite playmakers on offense.  I think this is what it's going to come down to.  Does North Central have enough offensive playmakers to help the Cards put 27+ on the board vs UW-Whitewater?  NCC certainly does not have a Levell Coppage to ride up and down the field, but will a number of different guys step up and have huge offensive games?

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North Central 30
IWU 7


These are simply two teams on different levels.  After watching this one (which was nice to be able to do, I might add) I am convinced that North Central is a legitimate national power, and I think the Cards may even be able to compete with the 2 big boys.  The Cards have a ton of playmakers on both sides of the ball.

IWU trailed just 7-0 at the half, but it was clear the Titans just were not going to be able to move the ball.  IWU's offense is much too one dimensional, while NCC's defense is great.  At halftime I figured for IWU to win, it would have to be a 14-7 game, with IWU's scores coming on special teams/defensive scores or a 50-yard run or something quirky.  That obviously did not happen.  IWU turned the ball over numerous times in the 3rd Q and you just can't do that vs an offense as good as North Central's.  It got ugly fast.

IWU's offense, despite being one dimensional, is really not bad in general D3 terms.  The Titans have a lot of talent on that side of the ball.  What North Central did to IWU today - just completely shutting their offense down - was really impressive.  The Titans did not get into the redzone as far as I can recall until that late score, when the game was a complete blowout.

I also have to tip my cap to IWU's defense.  I have not looked at the stats, and I don't know what story the numbers will tell, but IWU's defense was very, very good today.  The IWU D made this a game for a half...and most of those NCC scores in the 3rd Q were off of IWU offensive mistakes.  (The 1st half TD was after a long punt return created a very short field for the NCC offense.)

I also watched the Wheaton/IWU game earlier and was very impressed by the Thunder.  The NCC/Wheaton game should be a good one...but I think the Cardinals are the better team.

If NCC wins out, I have to believe they will be a #1 seed.  They could really make some big noise.

Q- good assessment and very fair. The only difference in opinion I have is the NCC offense. I don't see the playmakers on that side of the ball they have had in the past. If you want to compete with UWW and MUC you need a Cecil Shorts/Lavell Coppage type or 2. NCC has Tassio and Llavac (and they may become those guys) but right now, if NCC faces a defense as good as theirs (which will certianly happen in the playoffs) I think they may struggle to score. Its still early to make that assessment confidently and I may have a different opinion in a couple weeks but that's what it appears to me now. Their defense (giving up just 3.7 yds per play) is excellent and good enough to compete with the big boys. Offensively, they are still a work in progress. Special teams have been outstanding and show how much depth and talent they have.

Keep in mind the Cardinal defense shut down IWU yesterday with Willie Hayes in street clothes, Wenger missing much of the 2nd quarter and Garza was also dinged a bit during the game. They didnt' appear to miss a beat while I was watching.

[cardinaldad]

    ]My hats off to the kids  from both teams though for playing a good clean game.

[/ftp]TCrawf5825 - Do you really believe ONU played a clean game? I was growing tired and concerned of their pile picking tactics, especially early on in the game. I don't know if they were trying to intimidate us or what.......but on at least to or three occasions NCC had players coming off the field gimping or shaken up after getting picked off! I hadn't seen anything that blatant since the Bear/Packer games when Forrest Greg was coaching the Packers. I can still envision Matt Suhey getting knocked off of the tv screen AFTER a play.........I saw REPEATED similar play on saturday. One time I can overlook ans attribute it to being an aggressive mistake. Repeated pile picking, I can't.


   Cardinaldad  -- I felt the penalties on both sides were due to hustle.  What you call pilling on I call gang tackling.  I respect your opinion though.  NCC "gang tackles alot as well.  The only really dirty team that I recall NCC playing this year was Ill Weslyan

I'm all for good defense and gang tackling. I know what gang tacking is. And,  I know what pile picking is. I was not referring to gang tackling. I was referring to the late hits coming in at the end of the play on players standing around. I know to some extent, you have to have your head on a swivel when you are around the pile, but there were definite uncalled for late hits. Also, what about the unsportsmanlike penalties on ONU late in the game coming after they were embarrassed. I've seen dirtier teams, but I wouldn't proclaim that ONU played a clean game! No disrespect TCrawl, but not sure which game you were watching.
     On another note, I heard from a reliable source that the ONU coaching staff was not very forthcoming with the film exchange.
     It's good to beat a team who's fans are talking trash as they are entering your house. I overheard a couple of ONU fans talking about how at this time next week, they would be in Whitewater. Not sure about the team, but some fans were looking past us.

[cardinaldad]

Congrats to NCC on a big win yesteday.  Might have to make the trip from Wheaton to Naperville to watch NCC take on UWW next Saturday.  Also, congrats to Wheaton on a very good season.  Sounds like it was a tough loss for the Thunder.  Would have been great to have two CCIW programs in the quarters.

Augie6, it would be GREAT to have you and any others come and support NCC. With the students being off campus, we need all the help we can get on the home side. I'm sure UWW will travel well!

[TCrawf5825]

  I work with an ONU fan and he is a good guy !  Don't judge all by a few.  Don't agree with you on the pile picking and cheap shots.  I was watching the same game as you !!!!   Time to accept that this is a contact sport and people hustle until the whistle and can't stop on a dime.   Most of the ONU penalties were a kid hustleing and blovking in the back which as a  coach (I am) is tough to take but usually caused by a hustling kid trying to make a play.  Maybe as a Dad your little boy got hit harder than you would like but this is football not chess.  We'll have to agree to disagree

[bleedpurple]

I believe an NCC upset is a good possibility but 14 PTS ? Your a brave man !!

An NCC win would not be an upset.  They are the number one seed. As UW-W Coach Leipold said:

Faced with having to play at No. 1 seed North Central next Saturday? "I think it will be exciting for our football team because we won't be the favorite going into the game," Leipold told reporters. "We are not the favorite according to the seeding. Obviously we are not thought to be the better of the two teams. We are going to play an excellent football team and we will prepare very hard and see where it goes." 

[CardinalAlum]

I believe an NCC upset is a good possibility but 14 PTS ? Your a brave man !!

An NCC win would not be an upset.  They are the number one seed. As UW-W Coach Leipold said:

Faced with having to play at No. 1 seed North Central next Saturday? “I think it will be exciting for our football team because we won’t be the favorite going into the game,” Leipold told reporters. “We are not the favorite according to the seeding. Obviously we are not thought to be the better of the two teams. We are going to play an excellent football team and we will prepare very hard and see where it goes.” 

Yeah, ok.....we'll try to believe that's what Coach Leipold truly feels about his team and this game!  Please....

[FormerCard]

I believe an NCC upset is a good possibility but 14 PTS ? Your a brave man !!

An NCC win would not be an upset.  They are the number one seed. As UW-W Coach Leipold said:

Faced with having to play at No. 1 seed North Central next Saturday? “I think it will be exciting for our football team because we won’t be the favorite going into the game,” Leipold told reporters. “We are not the favorite according to the seeding. Obviously we are not thought to be the better of the two teams. We are going to play an excellent football team and we will prepare very hard and see where it goes.” 

Haha, even the coach is getting in on a little sarcasm with the seeding committee.     It is safe to say that he may have yelled at his assistant coaches for more than an hour when he learned the Warhawks were not awarded a #1 seed.

It will be a long week at the office, this game can't get here soon enough.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I believe an NCC upset is a good possibility but 14 PTS ? Your a brave man !!

An NCC win would not be an upset.  They are the number one seed. As UW-W Coach Leipold said:

Faced with having to play at No. 1 seed North Central next Saturday? "I think it will be exciting for our football team because we won't be the favorite going into the game," Leipold told reporters. "We are not the favorite according to the seeding. Obviously we are not thought to be the better of the two teams. We are going to play an excellent football team and we will prepare very hard and see where it goes." 

Nice try, bp, but the selection committee constitutes the only people on planet Earth who consider NCC the favorite.  A gift to the Warhawks from the NCAA.  (Although, if they need that extra motivation for a regional final, maybe they ARE in more trouble than I think they are! )

I'm gonna stick with my pickems prediction of an NCC win, but I would consider it an upset.  (A more mild upset than I suspect 98% of Warhawk supporters [and HScoach and probably Coach Leipold ] believe, but an upset nonetheless.)

[cardinaldad]

 I work with an ONU fan and he is a good guy !  Don't judge all by a few.  Don't agree with you on the pile picking and cheap shots.  I was watching the same game as you !!!!   Time to accept that this is a contact sport and people hustle until the whistle and can't stop on a dime.   Most of the ONU penalties were a kid hustleing and blovking in the back which as a  coach (I am) is tough to take but usually caused by a hustling kid trying to make a play.  Maybe as a Dad your little boy got hit harder than you would like but this is football not chess.  We'll have to agree to disagree

TC5825 - That's fine to agree to disagree.........and we do. But don't dis me or my son. Welcome to the coaching fraternaty. It is a special job molding young men and seeing them develop. I was a hs football coach for many years. I too would accept an aggressive play and a mistake by a player over a mental mistake. It is a contact sport and you preach aggression. And for your info.....my little boy didn't play in the game against ONU. Yesterday, I was a fan. I as well as a few fans around me saw a few cheap shots. No big deal...I wasn't going to post about them . I'm not calling ONU a dirty team. Just saying I don't think they played a "clean" game as you posted. That's my only point. Let's move on,  good luck with your career young man (it is special) and LET'S GO CARDS!