FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[washdupcard]

  I have two masters degrees, so much for being an idiot.  Washed-up is probably a good name for you if your reduced to insults on a chat board. Here is your websters definition of sarcasm straight from websters

"a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain" nowhere does it mention intelligent ( is that good enough for you ) 

As far as the mistakes go yes they are avoidable but your critising (mispelled for you benefit) a coach who has taken the team farther than it is ever gone in it's history.  Maybe if your so smart you can be his successor

Since I don't just read the cliff notes...

Sarcasm

1.
: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2
a : a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b : the use or language of sarcasm

Wit

1.
a : mind, memory   b : reasoning power : intelligence
2
a : sense 2a —usually used in plural <alone and warming his five wits, the white owl in the belfry sits — Alfred Tennyson> b (1) : mental soundness : sanity —usually used in plural (2) : mental capability and resourcefulness : ingenuity
3
a : astuteness of perception or judgment : acumen b : the ability to relate seemingly disparate things so as to illuminate or amuse c (1) : a talent for banter or persiflage (2) : a witty utterance or exchange d : clever or apt humor
4
a : a person of superior intellect : thinker b : an imaginatively perceptive and articulate individual especially skilled in banter or persiflage
— at one's wit's end or at one's wits' end
: at a loss for a means of solving a problem

I don't like to do this sort of thing on a Division III chat board, but please at least have some level of familiarity with not only the spelling but the definitions and roots of the words that your two "masters degrees" has clearly prepared you to use.

I'm not even going to touch the clear lack of logic used in your posts.  I'll assume the "masters degrees" didn't require logical reasoning.

I will apologize for using the word "idiot," that might have been inappropriate.

I will also make sure I never question any coaching decision of a coach (who has taken the team farther than its ever gone in its history), because it will automatically imply that I both desire to be, and thus would be a better coach.  Oh..darn...I lied, I did criticize the logic.

[washdupcard]

 I have two masters degrees, so much for being an idiot.  Washed-up is probably a good name for you if your reduced to insults on a chat board. Here is your websters definition of sarcasm straight from websters

"a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain" nowhere does it mention intelligent ( is that good enough for you )  

As far as the mistakes go yes they are avoidable but your critising (mispelled for you benefit) a coach who has taken the team farther than it is ever gone in it's history.  Maybe if your so smart you can be his successor

Interesting....I have always felt that Washdup would have been a great football coach!  

That ship sailed long ago.  

Now I get my kicks defending the innocent and downtrodden, like USee.  

[FormerCard]

To begin the year, Whitewater was the #1 team in the country with 22 votes for 1st place and Mount Union had 3 1st place votes. 

Week 1
1 UW-Whitewater (22) 1-0 622 1
2 Mount Union (3) 0-0 602 2

Week 6
1 UW-Whitewater (22) 5-0 622 1
3 Mount Union (3) 5-0 603 2

These votes remained the same all the way through week 7 (games ending October 16th)   
That was the week that Mount Union beat Heidelberg (5-5 overall) 45-7 and Whitewater defeated UW-Eau Claire (4-6 overall) 45-0.  At that point, UWW received 23 first place votes and Mount Union only received 2.

Week 7
1 UW-Whitewater (23) 6-0 623 1
2 Mount Union (2) 6-0 602 2

I am not sure exactly who is voting on this, but it makes you wonder whether the voter who changed their vote is a CCIW follower who saw what UWW did to UW Eau Claire (after NCC beat them 20-6) and considered it a great accomplishment in the way they handled UW Eau Claire.

Does anyone have any information on who the 25 people voting on the rankings are?

[washdupcard]

I believe an NCC upset is a good possibility but 14 PTS ? Your a brave man !!

An NCC win would not be an upset.  They are the number one seed. As UW-W Coach Leipold said:

Faced with having to play at No. 1 seed North Central next Saturday? "I think it will be exciting for our football team because we won't be the favorite going into the game," Leipold told reporters. "We are not the favorite according to the seeding. Obviously we are not thought to be the better of the two teams. We are going to play an excellent football team and we will prepare very hard and see where it goes." 

Yeah, ok.....we'll try to believe that's what Coach Leipold truly feels about his team and this game!  Please....

Well, there is the short version of the pregame speech that will be given in the visiting locker room on Saturday.  Not every day that Coach Leipold can say to his team they are not respected and play the underdog card.

[emma17]

No doubt Coach Thorne is looking for UWW weaknesses.  I am curious if he will look to open up passing based upon the results of UWW's last two games.  Lots of yardage and points against the defending champions via the air.  

If you look at the opponents that gave UWW the toughest games (either in points scored or closeness of game) in the last two years, they have been good passing teams- Linfield, Mt. Union, Oshkosh, LaCrosse, Franklin and Trine.  Will NCC stick to their run heavy offense?

[Mr. Ypsi]

To begin the year, Whitewater was the #1 team in the country with 22 votes for 1st place and Mount Union had 3 1st place votes. 

Week 1
1 UW-Whitewater (22) 1-0 622 1
2 Mount Union (3) 0-0 602 2

Week 6
1 UW-Whitewater (22) 5-0 622 1
3 Mount Union (3) 5-0 603 2

These votes remained the same all the way through week 7 (games ending October 16th)   
That was the week that Mount Union beat Heidelberg (5-5 overall) 45-7 and Whitewater defeated UW-Eau Claire (4-6 overall) 45-0.  At that point, UWW received 23 first place votes and Mount Union only received 2.

Week 7
1 UW-Whitewater (23) 6-0 623 1
2 Mount Union (2) 6-0 602 2

I am not sure exactly who is voting on this, but it makes you wonder whether the voter who changed their vote is a CCIW follower who saw what UWW did to UW Eau Claire (after NCC beat them 20-6) and considered it a great accomplishment in the way they handled UW Eau Claire.

Does anyone have any information on who the 25 people voting on the rankings are?

If I'm not misremembering, I believe it was Pat Coleman himself who switched that week.  I believe he said it was not so much the games that week, per se, as accumulating doubts between the two programs.

[FormerCard]

To quote my favorite announcer....

John Madden:  "Well folks, the team that scores the most points will win this game"  

[BoBo]

To begin the year, Whitewater was the #1 team in the country with 22 votes for 1st place and Mount Union had 3 1st place votes.  

Week 1
1 UW-Whitewater (22) 1-0 622 1
2 Mount Union (3) 0-0 602 2

Week 6
1 UW-Whitewater (22) 5-0 622 1
3 Mount Union (3) 5-0 603 2

These votes remained the same all the way through week 7 (games ending October 16th)  
That was the week that Mount Union beat Heidelberg (5-5 overall) 45-7 and Whitewater defeated UW-Eau Claire (4-6 overall) 45-0.  At that point, UWW received 23 first place votes and Mount Union only received 2.

Week 7
1 UW-Whitewater (23) 6-0 623 1
2 Mount Union (2) 6-0 602 2

I am not sure exactly who is voting on this, but it makes you wonder whether the voter who changed their vote is a CCIW follower who saw what UWW did to UW Eau Claire (after NCC beat them 20-6) and considered it a great accomplishment in the way they handled UW Eau Claire.

Does anyone have any information on who the 25 people voting on the rankings are?

You're not misremembering this time, Ypsi.    This was already documented on PP as being Pat Coleman, who witnessed UWW beat UWEC in person. Here's the exchange:

Curious minds want to know, Pat...are you the voter who changed the first place vote from UMU to UWW?

Yes, actually. Now that I've seen both play I felt comfortable making the shift.

[hazzben]

  I work with an ONU fan and he is a good guy !  Don't judge all by a few.  Don't agree with you on the pile picking and cheap shots.  I was watching the same game as you !!!!   Time to accept that this is a contact sport and people hustle until the whistle and can't stop on a dime.   Most of the ONU penalties were a kid hustleing and blovking in the back which as a  coach (I am) is tough to take but usually caused by a hustling kid trying to make a play.  Maybe as a Dad your little boy got hit harder than you would like but this is football not chess.  We'll have to agree to disagree

Gotta love a poster who has more negative karma than posts!  Any chance you're related to a certain Touchdown Tommy (aka usTDT) from the MIAC board?   

[FormerCard]

To begin the year, Whitewater was the #1 team in the country with 22 votes for 1st place and Mount Union had 3 1st place votes. 

Week 1
1 UW-Whitewater (22) 1-0 622 1
2 Mount Union (3) 0-0 602 2

Week 6
1 UW-Whitewater (22) 5-0 622 1
3 Mount Union (3) 5-0 603 2

These votes remained the same all the way through week 7 (games ending October 16th)   
That was the week that Mount Union beat Heidelberg (5-5 overall) 45-7 and Whitewater defeated UW-Eau Claire (4-6 overall) 45-0.  At that point, UWW received 23 first place votes and Mount Union only received 2.

Week 7
1 UW-Whitewater (23) 6-0 623 1
2 Mount Union (2) 6-0 602 2

I am not sure exactly who is voting on this, but it makes you wonder whether the voter who changed their vote is a CCIW follower who saw what UWW did to UW Eau Claire (after NCC beat them 20-6) and considered it a great accomplishment in the way they handled UW Eau Claire.

Does anyone have any information on who the 25 people voting on the rankings are?

You're not misremembering this time, Ypsi.    This was already documented on PP as being Pat Coleman, who witnessed UWW beat UWEC in person. Here's the exchange:

Curious minds want to know, Pat...are you the voter who changed the first place vote from UMU to UWW?

Yes, actually. Now that I've seen both play I felt comfortable making the shift.

Makes sense to me...thanks for the info.   I must have missed that week on the boards

[TCrawf5825]

  Washed up ---  I can only conclude after reading your posts that you think common opponents are a good indicator of future events (yea right).  Other than that you have a lot of time to look up definitions and give insults.  I would not address posts either if I were you. Definitions and insults are easier than talking football.  I am going to be the bigger man and walk after this rather than banter back and forth with a little man like you.  I have a life to get back to

[usee]

Washdup- I'm so proud of you! I have a tear in my eye.

[usee]

Okay, so what do you all really think NCC's chances are against UWW next week?

I think it's fair to say that North Central will be the best defensive team Whitewater has faced this year.  Against Stout, Stevens Point, and La Crosse - the 3 best WIAC defensive teams after Whitewater (opponent PPG) - the Warhawks scored 30, 27, and 24 points respectively.  (Whitewater averaged 49.3 ppg in its 9 other games this year.)

I think there is legitimate reason to believe North Central can hold UWW to 21-24 points.  It certainly won't be easy, but it's possible. 

It sounds simple, but I think it all comes down to NCC's ability to put enough points on the board.  UWW's opponents average 11.6 ppg on the season.  NCC's offense averages 39.9 points per game.  Obviously something has to give there. 

Usee has said (quote below) that he questions whether or not the Cardinals have enough elite playmakers on offense.  I think this is what it's going to come down to.  Does North Central have enough offensive playmakers to help the Cards put 27+ on the board vs UW-Whitewater?  NCC certainly does not have a Levell Coppage to ride up and down the field, but will a number of different guys step up and have huge offensive games?

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North Central 30
IWU 7


These are simply two teams on different levels.  After watching this one (which was nice to be able to do, I might add) I am convinced that North Central is a legitimate national power, and I think the Cards may even be able to compete with the 2 big boys.  The Cards have a ton of playmakers on both sides of the ball.

IWU trailed just 7-0 at the half, but it was clear the Titans just were not going to be able to move the ball.  IWU's offense is much too one dimensional, while NCC's defense is great.  At halftime I figured for IWU to win, it would have to be a 14-7 game, with IWU's scores coming on special teams/defensive scores or a 50-yard run or something quirky.  That obviously did not happen.  IWU turned the ball over numerous times in the 3rd Q and you just can't do that vs an offense as good as North Central's.  It got ugly fast.

IWU's offense, despite being one dimensional, is really not bad in general D3 terms.  The Titans have a lot of talent on that side of the ball.  What North Central did to IWU today - just completely shutting their offense down - was really impressive.  The Titans did not get into the redzone as far as I can recall until that late score, when the game was a complete blowout.

I also have to tip my cap to IWU's defense.  I have not looked at the stats, and I don't know what story the numbers will tell, but IWU's defense was very, very good today.  The IWU D made this a game for a half...and most of those NCC scores in the 3rd Q were off of IWU offensive mistakes.  (The 1st half TD was after a long punt return created a very short field for the NCC offense.)

I also watched the Wheaton/IWU game earlier and was very impressed by the Thunder.  The NCC/Wheaton game should be a good one...but I think the Cardinals are the better team.

If NCC wins out, I have to believe they will be a #1 seed.  They could really make some big noise.

Q- good assessment and very fair. The only difference in opinion I have is the NCC offense. I don't see the playmakers on that side of the ball they have had in the past. If you want to compete with UWW and MUC you need a Cecil Shorts/Lavell Coppage type or 2. NCC has Tassio and Llavac (and they may become those guys) but right now, if NCC faces a defense as good as theirs (which will certianly happen in the playoffs) I think they may struggle to score. Its still early to make that assessment confidently and I may have a different opinion in a couple weeks but that's what it appears to me now. Their defense (giving up just 3.7 yds per play) is excellent and good enough to compete with the big boys. Offensively, they are still a work in progress. Special teams have been outstanding and show how much depth and talent they have.

Keep in mind the Cardinal defense shut down IWU yesterday with Willie Hayes in street clothes, Wenger missing much of the 2nd quarter and Garza was also dinged a bit during the game. They didnt' appear to miss a beat while I was watching.

Q,  this is right on in my view. I think NCC has some very good playmakers on offense but I am just not sure they are the difference makers to beat a UWW(like garçon, kmic, Micheli, shorts). Maybe they do. I am sure their defense can compete but I agree UWW will likely score 21-24.

[bleedpurple]

I believe an NCC upset is a good possibility but 14 PTS ? Your a brave man !!

An NCC win would not be an upset.  They are the number one seed. As UW-W Coach Leipold said:

Faced with having to play at No. 1 seed North Central next Saturday? "I think it will be exciting for our football team because we won't be the favorite going into the game," Leipold told reporters. "We are not the favorite according to the seeding. Obviously we are not thought to be the better of the two teams. We are going to play an excellent football team and we will prepare very hard and see where it goes." 

Nice try, bp, but the selection committee constitutes the only people on planet Earth who consider NCC the favorite.  A gift to the Warhawks from the NCAA.  (Although, if they need that extra motivation for a regional final, maybe they ARE in more trouble than I think they are! )

I'm gonna stick with my pickems prediction of an NCC win, but I would consider it an upset.  (A more mild upset than I suspect 98% of Warhawk supporters [and HScoach and probably Coach Leipold ] believe, but an upset nonetheless.)

Apparently Red Reign is on the Selection Committee then? Wow I didn't know that!  

And "Y", on a game that doesn't have a "vegas style" line, I'm not sure you get to pick one team to win the game and then declare the other team the favorite. That is setting yourself to get an awful lot of credit isn't it?  

[Mr. Ypsi]

Again, bp, nice try!   But I'm sure almost everyone (including LL) knows who the favorite is.