FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Alliance72]

As a Mount fan,  it's a nightmare that he has one more year. 

Well, as a NCC alum, hopefully we can keep that nightmare from reaching Mt. Union in the 2011 playoffs. I'd much rather you see flashes of red in your nightmares next season. 

Even if you beat us, the color change would be welcome.

[Mr. Ypsi]

As a Mount fan,  it's a nightmare that he has one more year. 

Well, as a NCC alum, hopefully we can keep that nightmare from reaching Mt. Union in the 2011 playoffs. I'd much rather you see flashes of red in your nightmares next season. 

Even if you beat us, the color change would be welcome.

Note, however, that might well be before the Stagg.  For UMU and UWW to have met 6 straight times in the Stagg, it means they had to be seeded in different halves of the bracket.  The odds of that happening 6 times in a row by chance are well under 2%, so (despite UWW's cries of anguish over a #2 seed ) it would appear the selection committee deliberately puts the two purple powers on opposite sides of the bracket.

That means NCC would either meet UMU before the Stagg, or have to beat UWW before the Stagg - either way, they would (probably) have to face BOTH to be in the Stagg (YIKES!).

Oh, well, "gotta beat the best to be the best".  (Since all 3 of NCC's AAs were seniors, I fear their chance may have gone by the by for now.)

[02 Warhawk]

Although UWW's O line is very good, Coppage makes them look even better.  He breaks tackles, he has outstanding vision and changes direction to maximize whatever hole's there and he turns losses into positive plays or no gains by avoiding tacklers in the backfield.   Finally, he has breakaway speed to put additional pressure on the defense.  Not to take anything away from the rest of the team which is very good,   Coppage is the one UWW player that Mount has had had no answer for the last two years.  As a Mount fan,  it's a nightmare that he has one more year.  

Now you know how us UWW fans felt....I swear Kmic played for UMU for like 8 years. How else do you explain his 8,000+ career yards  

[Mugsy]

Although UWW's O line is very good, Coppage makes them look even better.  He breaks tackles, he has outstanding vision and changes direction to maximize whatever hole's there and he turns losses into positive plays or no gains by avoiding tacklers in the backfield.   Finally, he has breakaway speed to put additional pressure on the defense.  Not to take anything away from the rest of the team which is very good,   Coppage is the one UWW player that Mount has had had no answer for the last two years.  As a Mount fan,  it's a nightmare that he has one more year.  

Now you know how us UWW fans felt....I swear Kmic played for UMU for like 8 years. How else do you explain his 8,000+ career yards  

About 1,000 of Kmic's yards coming in the playoffs against Wheaton...  

[Mugsy]

Although UWW's O line is very good, Coppage makes them look even better.  He breaks tackles, he has outstanding vision and changes direction to maximize whatever hole's there and he turns losses into positive plays or no gains by avoiding tacklers in the backfield.   Finally, he has breakaway speed to put additional pressure on the defense.  Not to take anything away from the rest of the team which is very good,   Coppage is the one UWW player that Mount has had had no answer for the last two years.  As a Mount fan,  it's a nightmare that he has one more year.  

Now you know how us UWW fans felt....I swear Kmic played for UMU for like 8 years. How else do you explain his 8,000+ career yards  

About 1,000 of Kmic's yards coming in the playoffs against Wheaton...  

Ok... kind of an exaggeration, but not by much.  Kmic's numbers against Wheaton in the playoffs:

2006: 29 carries for 293 yards, 10.1 ypc
2008: 29 carries for 310 yards, 10.7 ypc

Um... 603 yards at over 10 yards per carry in 2 games.  The only thing keeping me from retching on my keyboard is the minor solice that Mount Union and Kmic did that to virtually everyone in the playoffs.  I swear Kmic had nearly half his career yards in the playoffs.

[Warhawk 96]

Lol.. of course it's to stir things up, it's a discussion board.

Okay, so let me explain a little here to make more sense. C. Worth, J. Beaver, L. Coppage were all great RB's for UWW right in a row. Some may say that UWW just get outstanding RB's, this maybe the case. However, anyone that knows anything in the coaching world knows Steve Dinkel at UWW. He is an outstanding OL coach that has wrote several books, as well as a DVD series. When I said product of a system I meant you can plug any good RB at UWW and their productivity will be as same as Coppage (IMO). UWW is known for the biggest, meanest O-Linemen in D-3 (do I dare say NAIA, D2?). You look back to UWW NCC I you could have driven a truck through some of those holes. I am not taking anything from those RB's at UWW, all I'm saying their Oline has be awesome that past 8+ years.

In retrospect, yeah I spoke out of my limits to say Coppage might not have started at NCC.... but it does make one wonder...

As for recruitment: NCC vs UWW: also keep in mind NCC academic standards are far more strenuous then UWW. This will limit some high profile D3 recruits. I personally spoke to an athlete at UWW that got into the school with a 16 ACT. I just don't see NCC letting a student in with that kind of score, and never heard of such things.

Nonetheless, those that have been on the CCIW board knows I like to stir up things... I find it fun to look at different views, even if they're wrong. It's the fruit of life 

Happy Holidays

Libellous posts are more than just a "difference in views". Something sounds familiar about this guy other than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs6TDLuKgQ

[Stagg Again!!]

Since all 3 of NCC's AAs were seniors, I fear their chance may have gone by the by for now.

I believe that one of their AAs has a year of remaining eligiblity and is strongly considering returning for a 5th year.  Nothing is certain until it is certain however (my take off on Yogi's, "It ain't over...).  Beyond that, I wouldn't be so quick to slam the window, given the players that the Cardinals will have on their roster in the fall (including tose currently on campus and those that my transfer in during January or September).

[Mr. Ypsi]

Since all 3 of NCC's AAs were seniors, I fear their chance may have gone by the by for now.

I believe that one of their AAs has a year of remaining eligiblity and is strongly considering returning for a 5th year.  Nothing is certain until it is certain however (my take off on Yogi's, "It ain't over...).  Beyond that, I wouldn't be so quick to slam the window, given the players that the Cardinals will have on their roster in the fall (including tose currently on campus and those that my transfer in during January or September).

Yeah, but Wenger, especially, may be a once-in-forever talent that is irreplaceable.  I have little doubt that NCC is still the favorite in the CCIW, and probably a top 10 (perhaps even top 5) team, but for cracking the Big Two ...?

Wenger was a HUGE reason why Coppage got barely over one-third the yards against NCC that he got against UMU!

Are you working on any plans to get Wenger another year?!

[Gregory Sager]

Which leads to the obvious question...  What does NCC's out-of-conference (OOC) schedule look like for next year?  I checked out the D3football.com site and it appears that the Cardinals have open dates on 9/3, 9/10, and 9/24.  Based on my read, DePauw, UWSP and Wittenberg also have 9/3 open; Franklin, UWW, and UWSP have 9/10 open; and Adrian and UWW have 9/24 open. 

I have previously stated my firm opposition to playing a tough out-of-conference schedule since the CCIW is such a good conference.  However, I do believe that NCC now needs to upgrade its pre-season schedule from the likes of Cornell, Olivet, IBC, etc.

It's not correct to refer to those games as "preseason" games. You had it right the first time when you called it the "out-of-conference schedule." The terms "non-conference" or "pre-conference" are also valid. Preseason games don't count. The games to which you refer most definitely do count.

[usee]

Don't listen to sager. Its preseason and he knows it!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Don't listen to sager. Its preseason and he knows it!

NCC certainly wishes that ONU was 'preseason' in 2009!

[Mr. Flynn]

Since all 3 of NCC's AAs were seniors, I fear their chance may have gone by the by for now.

I believe that one of their AAs has a year of remaining eligiblity and is strongly considering returning for a 5th year.  Nothing is certain until it is certain however (my take off on Yogi's, "It ain't over...).  Beyond that, I wouldn't be so quick to slam the window, given the players that the Cardinals will have on their roster in the fall (including tose currently on campus and those that my transfer in during January or September).

Yeah, but Wenger, especially, may be a once-in-forever talent that is irreplaceable.  I have little doubt that NCC is still the favorite in the CCIW, and probably a top 10 (perhaps even top 5) team, but for cracking the Big Two ...?

Wenger was a HUGE reason why Coppage got barely over one-third the yards against NCC that he got against UMU!

Are you working on any plans to get Wenger another year?!

Unless NIU makes it a habit to turn away prospective walk-ons of Wengers talent (due to being too slow and too small)  I don't see North Central getting another Wenger in the near future.  But I do think that they will continue to be a top 5 team regardless of whether they have Wenger/Coppage type of superstar player on their roster.  Will Mount Union have a player on their roster next year that is as good as Krnic, Shorts or Garcon?

[Stagg Again!!]

Don't listen to sager. Its preseason and he knows it!

I was merely looking for a different way of saying out-of-conference again without saying out-of-conference because it gets a bit redunant and tiring typing out-of-conference over and over again.    I must say that I am sure that the Cardinals would like Ypsi's line of thinking on that 2009 ONU game though.

Point well taken about Wenger.

[T_Unit14]

not to take anything away from NCC's academic standards and what not but it's not like WW has a bunch of incompetent young men playing football (and no one said they did here) but a real good friend of mine just won the Elite 88 award at the Stagg Bowl and the kid is a fricken genius and a damn good defensive back

congrats to Keys on the award and the stagg bowl ring...but I just wanted to point that out because you can have some damn good athletes who are also damn good students

[hazzben]

I think North Central gets the majority of the recruits they want from the area. Coppage is a product of the system... I'm not even sure if he would start at NCC, bold statement? Sure, but the truth.

Bold statement? Well that's one way to describe it. 

There isn't a DIII team in the country that Coppage doesn't start for. Not one. Yeah, he's in a great system with a great O-Line, but he's also a remarkable talent. Period.