FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[doolittledog]

It showed up on the Coe schedule, we were talking about the matchup on the IIAC board.  Then it was gone a couple of weeks later.  My guess is they agreed to the game but had not signed the contract.  Then Redlands came in and offered them a better deal than the agreed to - but unsigned game with Coe.  I understand with no contract means no official game.  But if there is complaining about Cornell walking away from a contract, that isn't that much worse than going back on your "word".  Legally, it is a big difference...morally it is close to the same thing.

I'd agree that if you give your word you should keep it, however, you can't fault NC for taking the Redlands offer. The only word of advice I'd give North Central is this-No more long road trips to start off odd numbered seasons

I agree with everything you say there

[Gregory Sager]

It showed up on the Coe schedule, we were talking about the matchup on the IIAC board.  Then it was gone a couple of weeks later.  My guess is they agreed to the game but had not signed the contract.  Then Redlands came in and offered them a better deal than the agreed to - but unsigned game with Coe.  I understand with no contract means no official game.  But if there is complaining about Cornell walking away from a contract, that isn't that much worse than going back on your "word".  Legally, it is a big difference...morally it is close to the same thing.

I'd agree that if you give your word you should keep it, however, you can't fault NC for taking the Redlands offer.

I'm not looking to cause trouble, newcardfan, but that sentence contradicts itself. If you should keep your word, then you can and should fault NCC for taking the Redlands offer if the Cardinals already had a verbal agreement with Coe in place. Otherwise, "keeping your word" is simply an empty platitude with no meaning ... and the person who says he believes in keeping his word but acts otherwise runs the risk of being called a hypocrite.

Understand, please, that I'm not accusing the NCC coach of anything, nor do I claim any knowledge of NCC's scheduling situation other than what has been shared on this board. I'm just addressing the general ethical principle that's been raised here.

[NCF]

It showed up on the Coe schedule, we were talking about the matchup on the IIAC board.  Then it was gone a couple of weeks later.  My guess is they agreed to the game but had not signed the contract.  Then Redlands came in and offered them a better deal than the agreed to - but unsigned game with Coe.  I understand with no contract means no official game.  But if there is complaining about Cornell walking away from a contract, that isn't that much worse than going back on your "word".  Legally, it is a big difference...morally it is close to the same thing.

I'd agree that if you give your word you should keep it, however, you can't fault NC for taking the Redlands offer.

I'm not looking to cause trouble, newcardfan, but that sentence contradicts itself. If you should keep your word, then you can and should fault NCC for taking the Redlands offer if the Cardinals already had a verbal agreement with Coe in place. Otherwise, "keeping your word" is simply an empty platitude with no meaning ... and the person who says he believes in keeping his word but acts otherwise runs the risk of being called a hypocrite.

Understand, please, that I'm not accusing the NCC coach of anything, nor do I claim any knowledge of NCC's scheduling situation other than what has been shared on this board. I'm just addressing the general ethical principle that's been raised here.

If NC agreed to a date and then backed out I agree with you. If they discussed the possibility of scheduling a date but did not verbally  agree to any commitment than I think they can schedule with any team they think will be the best competition for them.

[lakeshore]

interesting article quoting UWP coach Mike Emmendorfer and how he thinks Wheaton has the most difficult offense to prepare for in the country.  He says it is the toughest offense they will play all year.  (Whitewater?) http://www.swnews4u.com/section/135/


Another amazing catch by Zeller to finish out the game.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfgcmummDuo&feature=player_embedded

GS - what are your thoughts concerning NPU's chances vs. Wash U on Sat?

[hazzben]

I watched a bit of the KC Chiefs game this weekend.  It looks as if Studebaker has lost his job already to Justin Houston.  I watched him pretty extensively over the pre-season and this move does not surprise me.  I still hold the thought that he is being played completely out of position as the strong-side OLB in a 3-4.  At some point in his career, I'd love to see Andy be allowed to at least play the weak-side OLB in the 3-4 or even better, a DE spot in a 4-3.  If he would be allowed to put on 25-30 lbs, get in a 3 pt, and be told, "go get the QB", I think he'd flourish, even at the NFL level.

He's definitely behind Houston on the depth chart now. I was hoping he could hold him off, but Houston's a bigger, faster version of Studebaker with the pedigree the NFL is enamored with. It looks like he had every chance to win the job in camp and didn't do enough to convince the staff he was any more than a solid backup and special teams guy. Its a bummer.

Can't say I agree on the weak-side argument. He's just not athletic enough for that spot at that level. And putting on 25-30 lbs is no small thing. You can put the weight on, but what have you lost to do it? Everyone's got an ideal playing weight and I'm guessing adding that much weight puts him way over his ideal.

The Chiefs show Houston as the starter on their team website. Personally, I think Andy gives a lot of coaches in the NFL exactly what they really want. He will be going as hard as he can on every down with no ego getting in the way. It is unfortunate that he is behind a draft pick now, but we all know that Andy will still be getting his time on special teams at the very least.

On a limb, I think Andy would be very successful in a role similar to Clay Mathews or James Harrison where he is primarily in a pass rushing role playing 2 yards behind the LOS. Hopefully we get that chance to see him playing in a 3 pt stance or playing on the weakside.

Totally agree on his character and motor. This is exactly why the Chiefs gave him an extension. He was the first player to have his contract extended by the new GM as a statement about the type of player they loved.

As for a similar role to Clay Matthews or James Harrison...I'm not seeing that. James Harrison is just an absolute load. He's one of the most physically imposing players in the game. And Matthews is incredibly athletic. The fact that the chiefs have a guy like Tamba Hali doing what he's doing and don't see Studebaker in that role probably says a lot about what he is and isn't able to do at that level.

We all love our DIII players and want to see them do really well, but sometimes we've got to be a little more realistic. Not every DIII guy is going to have the impact of a Fred Jackson, Pierre Garcon or London Fletcher. But just being in the league as a consistent backup is a huge accomplishment.

[Gregory Sager]

It showed up on the Coe schedule, we were talking about the matchup on the IIAC board.  Then it was gone a couple of weeks later.  My guess is they agreed to the game but had not signed the contract.  Then Redlands came in and offered them a better deal than the agreed to - but unsigned game with Coe.  I understand with no contract means no official game.  But if there is complaining about Cornell walking away from a contract, that isn't that much worse than going back on your "word".  Legally, it is a big difference...morally it is close to the same thing.

I'd agree that if you give your word you should keep it, however, you can't fault NC for taking the Redlands offer.

I'm not looking to cause trouble, newcardfan, but that sentence contradicts itself. If you should keep your word, then you can and should fault NCC for taking the Redlands offer if the Cardinals already had a verbal agreement with Coe in place. Otherwise, "keeping your word" is simply an empty platitude with no meaning ... and the person who says he believes in keeping his word but acts otherwise runs the risk of being called a hypocrite.

Understand, please, that I'm not accusing the NCC coach of anything, nor do I claim any knowledge of NCC's scheduling situation other than what has been shared on this board. I'm just addressing the general ethical principle that's been raised here.

If NC agreed to a date and then backed out I agree with you. If they discussed the possibility of scheduling a date but did not verbally  agree to any commitment than I think they can schedule with any team they think will be the best competition for them.

I concur.

[Gregory Sager]

GS - what are your thoughts concerning NPU's chances vs. Wash U on Sat?

I don't wanna give away too much of my material for Saturday's inaugural North Park football broadcast. I will say that Wash U's defenders appeared to be a little quicker than Aurora's or Benedictine's, so NPU is going to have to execute the option even more sharply than it did in the first two games, and the execution in those wins have already set a pretty high standard. Wash U didn't go any deeper defensively than did the Spartans or the Eagles, though, and that could tell in the Park's favor in the fourth quarter. I'm also curious as to the health of Easton Knott, Wash U's best receiver. He went out with an injured leg in the fourth quarter of last Saturday's loss to Wittenberg, and although he returned to the game for Wash U's final desperation drive, he was clearly slowed and was favoring the leg.

Wash U goes with two quarterbacks, and they look pretty interchangeable. I'm curious to see which one gets the nod on Saturday.

Having watched the webcast of Wash U's narrow loss to #19 Wittenberg, my take is that the Bears are a narrow favorite on Saturday ... but it definitely appears to be a winnable game for NPU, based upon what I've seen of the Vikings in those two wins.

[oldnuthin]

Big game against Augie coming in a week and a half. i have waited to post. so i can see how the new staff and the players meshed. since the bizarre ending to the IC game, the D-Line has shown improvement. They are missing 3 sophomores that saw significant time last year, for various reasons but  I think they beginning to adjust to the new 3 man front and the linebackers are starting to be more aggressive. and it shows in the stats. while Millikin's competition and the augie's competition are definitively on different levels, i believe Millikin has a solid chance to win if they can stop the run. The offensive line has been solid and is showing improvement every week. the play of the the QB has improved to the point that his back up is seeing playing time on the D. the move of tyler rousch to running back is paying big dividends. they will need to be balanced in their offensive attack andeat some clock, but i look for them to give a solid performance with 2 weeks to prepare.

[robertgoulet]

The board is still awfully quiet for my liking, considering the season has started. I wonder if it's due to the fact that alot of us are seemingly "down" on our "top" teams to start the season (NCC's game 1 loss and not being able to hit 100 in game 2 or 3, Wheaton's key injuries and appearance of Snuffleupagus as mascot, Augie's major suckage, Elmhurst not as ready for primetime as hoped and realization that they are still not home to the most fierce bird mascot in the CCIW)? Playoff hopes taking early hits do get the masses down, for sure.


That being said, what threat does Carthage pose to NCC next   weekend? For whatever reason, whenever we travel to Carthage I get a little worried about the outcome.

[shepherd]

interesting article quoting UWP coach Mike Emmendorfer and how he thinks Wheaton has the most difficult offense to prepare for in the country.  He says it is the toughest offense they will play all year.  (Whitewater?) http://www.swnews4u.com/section/135/

UWP made Wheaton change things around last year and this year with strong starts to the game.  This is a series that is good for both teams going into the conference schedule.  Both coaches are going to really have a good idea about what there team and players can do in a tough series like this.  It was a very important game for the Thunder last year.  A team really needs at least one of these types of non-conference games to ensure your ready for a tough conference schedule.

[BoBo]

interesting article quoting UWP coach Mike Emmendorfer and how he thinks Wheaton has the most difficult offense to prepare for in the country.  He says it is the toughest offense they will play all year.  (Whitewater?) http://www.swnews4u.com/section/135/

It's all gamesmanship lakeshore. He's trying to keep a non-conference series going. He has to say these things - Whitewater? He's thinking one game at a time. He'll probably have a different opinion on or about Oct 1st. 

BTW, couldn't get that link to work.

[Mugsy]

Hmm... must really be a quiet week in the North Region if the game of the week is listed as Benedictine vs. Kalamazoo in the Around the Region article.

Goulet, yes it still remains quiet on the CCIW board.  Several key contributors are either no longer posting or much less frequent.  As for me I'm currently swamped at work and my kids are starting to enter the age where my weekends are crazy.  Once the conference schedule starts, I will be disecting the Wheaton games as much as possible to understand key matchups and to foster conversation and debate.

I can guarantee you that I'll be all over come the week of 11/5, to the point of annoyance.  At least more than usual... 

[Mugsy]

interesting article quoting UWP coach Mike Emmendorfer and how he thinks Wheaton has the most difficult offense to prepare for in the country.  He says it is the toughest offense they will play all year.  (Whitewater?) http://www.swnews4u.com/section/135/

It's all gamesmanship lakeshore. He's trying to keep a non-conference series going. He has to say these things - Whitewater? He's thinking one game at a time. He'll probably have a different opinion on or about Oct 1st. 

BTW, couldn't get that link to work.

I wouldn't mind seeing this type of series continue.  Unfortunately Wheaton has gone a different direction for 2012 and 2013.

[LETS ROLL]

Hello all. Long time lurker and former Wheaton player here. I thought it would be a good time to join the conversation considering how quiet the board has been as of late. I also live in the area and have followed the CCIW very closely for a while now. Hopefully I can add some solid insight and support for the Thunder as well as the CCIW. Looking forward to conference play kicking off a week from saturday.

[lakeshore]

GS - what are your thoughts concerning NPU's chances vs. Wash U on Sat?

I don't wanna give away too much of my material for Saturday's inaugural North Park football broadcast. I will say that Wash U's defenders appeared to be a little quicker than Aurora's or Benedictine's, so NPU is going to have to execute the option even more sharply than it did in the first two games, and the execution in those wins have already set a pretty high standard. Wash U didn't go any deeper defensively than did the Spartans or the Eagles, though, and that could tell in the Park's favor in the fourth quarter. I'm also curious as to the health of Easton Knott, Wash U's best receiver. He went out with an injured leg in the fourth quarter of last Saturday's loss to Wittenberg, and although he returned to the game for Wash U's final desperation drive, he was clearly slowed and was favoring the leg.

Wash U goes with two quarterbacks, and they look pretty interchangeable. I'm curious to see which one gets the nod on Saturday.

Having watched the webcast of Wash U's narrow loss to #19 Wittenberg, my take is that the Bears are a narrow favorite on Saturday ... but it definitely appears to be a winnable game for NPU, based upon what I've seen of the Vikings in those two wins.

actually NPU games were broadcast live on the web in 2007 & 2008 by the Illinois Center for Broadcasting