FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Stagg Again!!]

The Cardinals may have eviscerated (thanks GS) the Comets, but at least Olivet was principled enough to honor their contract.

One of North Central's non-conference games this season was supposed to be with Cornell IA) with whom they signed a home and away contract last year. However Cornell called the NCC athletic office in January and said after being stomped 41-7 at home by the Cards last year, there was no way they were coming to Naperville for a beat down this year. You would think that with the former NCC top ass't basketball coach now the head bb coach at Cornell, that enough of a relationship would have been established wherein such type of conduct would not have occurred.

Anyone know if there are any general implications/penalties involved with breaking a contract in D3land? Maybe it depends on the individual contract between the 2 schools.

I met some of the Olivet parents after the game. First class people who strongly support their son's efforts no matter how they compare to the competition. Hope they had a safe trip home. That white Explorer would have been a little lighter minus the baskets of apples and bananas and the cases of pop. Hope the Comets at least enjoyed their post game pizza if not the game.

Agreed (belatedly).  Olivet College's administration earned my respect by continuing to honor their contract.  The OC student athletes on the field Saturday (and last year) earned my respect by playing hard to the last minute of the game (check the box -- they scored both TDs fairly late in the game).  The OC parents and fans earned my respect by continuing to support their team at this time when the program is clearly in a rebuilding mode.  I look forward to playing OC again when they have turned the corner.  Until then, I wish the Comets the best with the remainder of their season.

I understand the sentiment towards Cornell backing out of their contract with NCC.  But didn't NCC then have a contract with Coe, only to back out because it was only for 1 year and Redlands offered a 2 year contract?  That game with Coe was showing up on the schedule.  I didn't think they released a schedule if the contract had been signed?

Hopefully, I can add a little clarity around this whole NCC/Coe matter that will help put this to bed once and for all (even for Pat).  No, there never was a contract between NCC and Coe, and no there never was a date agreed on by NCC and Coe.  Period. 

If you go back in time, you will see that NCC had three open slots on its schedule for 2010 - 9/3, 9/10 and 9/24.  NCC was having a bit of a challenge filling its schedule with local schools.  Long-time partners such as Benedictine were not interested in losing by wide margins any more (2008:  NCC 49 IBC 9; and 2009:  NCC 55 IBC 0), and other logical new partners such as Concordia of Illinois were not interested in adding more challenging opponents to their schedules.  (To avoid taking HUGE karma hits AGAIN, I thought I'd pause here for a moment and say that I am fine with the strategic decisions made by both of these schools.  I am only trying to address the issue at hand. )  NCC's administration, as you can imagine, was in discussion with every DIII college which had open dates on 9/3, 9/10 and 9/24.  Many of those schools had no interest in playing, and some of the ones that were interested in playing only wanted one year deals on their home fields.  Coe was one of those schools.  While discussions were going on with Coe regarding having a game on 9/3 or 9/10, they were also going on with Redlands and others.  Redlands came back and indicated an interest in a two-year home and away deal while the folks in Coe were still mulling things over.  The folks at Coe may have thought that once they unilaterally made a decision regarding the date that a contract would be drafted.  This was NOT the case.  NCC moved forward with their agreement with Redlands before Coe came back with their decision.  In the interim, the SID at Coe jumped the gun a bit (IMO) and posted the game on the school's website before a date was ever agreed on.

In retrospect, had the folks at NCC known that Coe was going to have a bit of an off year while Redlands was going to be able to replace its all-world QB with another talented athlete, I wonder if they would have opted for the game at Coe.  I personally doubt it as the appeal of the two year contract, the recruiting benefit of having a game on the west coast, and NCC's belief that Redlands shares many of its own core values would have led them to the same decision. 

As a fan of DIII football, I am elated that the school decided to enter into what I hope will be a long-time partnership with Redlands.  There are not enough inter-region games nationally.  The only schools which regularly are willing to travel are Hardin-Simmons, Mary Hardin Baylor, as well as a couple of the west coast schools.  Games like the NCC v. Redlands matchup will help teams like Redlands get the attention it deserves comes playoff selection time.

[ncc_fan]

As a fan of DIII football, I am elated that [North Central] decided to enter into what I hope will be a long-time partnership with Redlands.  There are not enough inter-region games nationally.  The only schools which regularly are willing to travel are Hardin-Simmons, Mary Hardin Baylor, as well as a couple of the west coast schools.  Games like the NCC v. Redlands matchup will help teams like Redlands get the attention it deserves comes playoff selection time.

I, too, would like to see NCC and Redlands in an extended partnership.  I suspect that the presidents of the two schools will have a big say about whether that happens; they helped initiate the current agreement, and of course they have ultimate control of the purse strings.  NCC will have to decide whether the benefits in recruiting and alumni relations (and football) are worth the cost of a bi-annual flight to southern California.  For Redlands cost may be a lesser issue, as their non-conference series always involve long-distance travel.

From this fan's perspective, week 1 (a.k.a. Labor Day weekend) is the perfect time for the game:  if you're going to follow your team to southern California (or Chicago) then let it be on a long weekend!

[Pat Coleman]

No, of course, clearly there wasn't a contract, but Coe thought it had an agreement.

And Stagg or Bust -- I don't believe anything you said contradicts what I believed, so I'm not sure why you singled me out.

[LETS ROLL]

Wheaton up 29-0 over Olivet at the half, although very sloppy game thus far for the thunder.

[MasterJedi]

Congrats on the good win North Park! Is it time for them to make a run at the divison?  Or maybe just win a few CCIW games?

[tjcummingsfan]

I wish I had a better idea of Wash U's football heritage to know how to gauge this.  I'd certainly be pumped if this was a NP basketball win over Wash U.  Regardless, North Park finishes the non-conference schedule with a 3-0 record.  I'd love to see a CCIW win, but I'm certainly not going to expect anything.  I've seen NP 3-0 before and watched them lose 7 CCIW games quite easily. 

[Gregory Sager]

North Park 13
Washington MO 10

Excellent win over a solid opponent by the Vikings. It was a nailbiter throughout, but a pair of late interceptions by Andrew Saltzman and Cicero Porter, the latter coming with a half-minute left, cemented the win for NPU.

My apologies for the lack of audio today, but we had some technical difficulties.

NPU enters CCIW play next week sporting a 3-0 record, the first time that the Vikings have done so since 2005.

[Gregory Sager]

I wish I had a better idea of Wash U's football heritage to know how to gauge this.  I'd certainly be pumped if this was a NP basketball win over Wash U.  Regardless, North Park finishes the non-conference schedule with a 3-0 record.  I'd love to see a CCIW win, but I'm certainly not going to expect anything.  I've seen NP 3-0 before and watched them lose 7 CCIW games quite easily.

EH, Wash U is a good team. The Bears came in 2-1, with their loss being a three-point defeat at the hands of nationally-ranked Wittenberg last week. I watched that game; Wash U played Witt even-up, and even had more total yards than Witt.

This is a solid win for NPU, no two ways about it.

[mr_b]

Congratulations to North Park on its win over Wash U!  The Vikings made some big plays, including two rally-killing interceptions (one in the endzone to stifle a scoring drive at the end of the first half, the other to quell another drive at the end of the game) and a Krebs-to-Cochiaro TD for 52 yards.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

WOW !!!!

[bigz61550]

As a fan of DIII football, I am elated that [North Central] decided to enter into what I hope will be a long-time partnership with Redlands.  There are not enough inter-region games nationally.  The only schools which regularly are willing to travel are Hardin-Simmons, Mary Hardin Baylor, as well as a couple of the west coast schools.  Games like the NCC v. Redlands matchup will help teams like Redlands get the attention it deserves comes playoff selection time.

I, too, would like to see NCC and Redlands in an extended partnership.  I suspect that the presidents of the two schools will have a big say about whether that happens; they helped initiate the current agreement, and of course they have ultimate control of the purse strings.  NCC will have to decide whether the benefits in recruiting and alumni relations (and football) are worth the cost of a bi-annual flight to southern California.  For Redlands cost may be a lesser issue, as their non-conference series always involve long-distance travel.

From this fan's perspective, week 1 (a.k.a. Labor Day weekend) is the perfect time for the game:  if you're going to follow your team to southern California (or Chicago) then let it be on a long weekend!

I can definitely see the alumni benefit, but does NCC recruit or plan to recruit west coast?    Who pays transportation cost for a team traveling that far?   It would seem to be hard to justify for an extended period of time.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Congratulations to North Park on a win over a very solid WashU team - you beat them by the same margin as ranked Wittenberg!  NPU will NOT go 0-7 in the CCIW this year.  (Yeah, I know I've predicted that 3 or 4 years in a row, but THIS year they will finally break through.  Just, I hope, not on October 8th!)

[Titan Q]

As a fan of DIII football, I am elated that [North Central] decided to enter into what I hope will be a long-time partnership with Redlands.  There are not enough inter-region games nationally.  The only schools which regularly are willing to travel are Hardin-Simmons, Mary Hardin Baylor, as well as a couple of the west coast schools.  Games like the NCC v. Redlands matchup will help teams like Redlands get the attention it deserves comes playoff selection time.

I, too, would like to see NCC and Redlands in an extended partnership.  I suspect that the presidents of the two schools will have a big say about whether that happens; they helped initiate the current agreement, and of course they have ultimate control of the purse strings.  NCC will have to decide whether the benefits in recruiting and alumni relations (and football) are worth the cost of a bi-annual flight to southern California.  For Redlands cost may be a lesser issue, as their non-conference series always involve long-distance travel.

From this fan's perspective, week 1 (a.k.a. Labor Day weekend) is the perfect time for the game:  if you're going to follow your team to southern California (or Chicago) then let it be on a long weekend!

I can definitely see the alumni benefit, but does NCC recruit or plan to recruit west coast?    Who pays transportation cost for a team traveling that far?   It would seem to be hard to justify for an extended period of time.

I think when he referred to "benefits in recruiting" he meant the ability to tell recruits, "Every 2 years we take a trip to California..."  I think that is a legitimate point.

[Mugsy]

Wheaton beat Olivet 49-15.  Far from Wheaton's best effort.  Still a comfortable win.   

Wheaton recorded 511 yards of offense in today's game as the Thunder ran for 336 yards and passes for 175. Olivet had 229 total yards, with 130 yards on the ground and 99 passing yards. 

Sophomore tailback Justin Swider ran for a career-high 128 yards in his first collegiate start with two touchdown runs. Swider carried the ball 12 times for an average of 10.7 yards per carry. Freshman Jesse Geary had 10 carries for 64 yards, with one touchdown run and David Sjelin ran for 60 yards on six carries.

Olivet's 31st straight loss, Wheaton's 29th straight non-conference win.    Wheaton will need to play much better next week.

That said Coach Swider and staff will have the team ready to go for the CCIW slate.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wheaton beat Olivet 49-15.  Far from Wheaton's best effort.  Still a comfortable win.   

Wheaton recorded 511 yards of offense in today's game as the Thunder ran for 336 yards and passes for 175. Olivet had 229 total yards, with 130 yards on the ground and 99 passing yards. 

Sophomore tailback Justin Swider ran for a career-high 128 yards in his first collegiate start with two touchdown runs. Swider carried the ball 12 times for an average of 10.7 yards per carry. Freshman Jesse Geary had 10 carries for 64 yards, with one touchdown run and David Sjelin ran for 60 yards on six carries.

Olivet's 31st straight loss, Wheaton's 29th straight non-conference win.    Wheaton will need to play much better next week.

That said Coach Swider and staff will have the team ready to go for the CCIW slate.

True.  Here's hoping they don't!

Sorry for such lame 'trash talk'!