FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Always.A.Titan]

Back to football...

Although it is not the game of the week, Millikin and Augie might shape up to be an interesting game. Millikin hasn't defeated Augie since the Big 4, Little 4 days (back in 2000). Augie has been off to an awful start and Millikin might be primed for stealing one under the lights in Rock Island.

Any thoughts?

Oldnuthin?

Any Augie posters?

[matblake]

Wow, what a previous page.  First, another great Sagerian debate, especially when pointing out the pshaw.  Then, Mugsy does his usual thorough analysis. 

With regards to the number of Wheaton sacks, I think more sacks come with the syle of offense they run.  For those who were around prior to the Joe Davis offensive era, you saw plenty of passing, but in a much more ball control matter (ie a quick out, a drag across the middle, screens in the flat and the tight end being primarily a blocker with max protection).  While Wheaton offensively is hardly a gun-slinging offense, their multiple packages and formations sometimes elicit a few more sacks.  Add to the fact that Jordan Roberts and his excellent running ability is injured and you have the increase in sacks.  Actually, so far I've been quite pleased at how Meador has been avoiding the rush.  So far the sacks haven't hurt them in win and loss terms, we'll see what happens in CCIW play.

[NCF]

Wow, what a previous page.  First, another great Sagerian debate, especially when pointing out the pshaw.  Then, Mugsy does his usual thorough analysis. 

With regards to the number of Wheaton sacks, I think more sacks come with the syle of offense they run.  For those who were around prior to the Joe Davis offensive era, you saw plenty of passing, but in a much more ball control matter (ie a quick out, a drag across the middle, screens in the flat and the tight end being primarily a blocker with max protection).  While Wheaton offensively is hardly a gun-slinging offense, their multiple packages and formations sometimes elicit a few more sacks.  Add to the fact that Jordan Roberts and his excellent running ability is injured and you have the increase in sacks.  Actually, so far I've been quite pleased at how Meador has been avoiding the rush.  So far the sacks haven't hurt them in win and loss terms, we'll see what happens in CCIW play.

It's about time we've got something going on this board. I was beginning to think we were all being too nice. 

[blue_jays]

What surprised me most is the number of sacks given up by each team thus far.

Wheaton has played 4 new offensive lineman who had not seen real varsity action before this year and one returning starter is in a boot. Also, Roberts escaped 10-15 sacks last year when the pocket broke down and turned losses into first downs.

[Mugsy]

What surprised me most is the number of sacks given up by each team thus far.

Wheaton has played 4 new offensive lineman who had not seen real varsity action before this year and one returning starter is in a boot. Also, Roberts escaped 10-15 sacks last year when the pocket broke down and turned losses into first downs.

Actually the point I was trying to make was the inverse.  I stated that typically Wheaton & IWU have some stout defensive lineman and LB's.  Instead of sacks allowed, I meant sacks by.  Both Wheaton & IWU only have 2 sacks in 3 games.

Conversely Wheaton has allowed 6 sacks in 3 games and IWU allowed 7.  For the number of times they have attempted to pass, that isn't too bad.  Especially for Wheaton given they have 4 new offensive lineman.

[matblake]

It's about time we've got something going on this board. I was beginning to think we were all being too nice. 

Impossible!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[LETS ROLL]

I agree that the Millikin/Augie game should be a good one. It'll definitely be the Big Blue's best shot to beating them in several years, although the game will be played in Rock Island...not that home field has been much of an advantage for Augie yet this year...   

[matblake]

What surprised me most is the number of sacks given up by each team thus far.

Wheaton has played 4 new offensive lineman who had not seen real varsity action before this year and one returning starter is in a boot. Also, Roberts escaped 10-15 sacks last year when the pocket broke down and turned losses into first downs.

Actually the point I was trying to make was the inverse.  I stated that typically Wheaton & IWU have some stout defensive lineman and LB's.  Instead of sacks allowed, I meant sacks by.  Both Wheaton & IWU only have 2 sacks in 3 games.

Conversely Wheaton has allowed 6 sacks in 3 games and IWU allowed 7.  For the number of times they have attempted to pass, that isn't too bad.  Especially for Wheaton given they have 4 new offensive lineman.

How many years into Wheaton's 3-4 defense are we?  Is it 2 or 3?  Wonder if that has been part of the drop off.  It might just be they don't have guy good at sacking right now, but there might still be a learning curve happening with the players and perhaps the coaching, even from the personnel side of things.

[LETS ROLL]

This is the 3rd year in the 3-4 Defense for Wheaton. I doubt there is much of a learning curve still taking place as most of the defense are seniors, who have had 3 years of experience working in the new system. I think the low number of sacks is due to the fact that Wheaton's D-Linemen (while very good) aren't the pure pass rusher's that Wheaton's had in the past, as well as the fact that Wheaton has not been bringing much pressure thus far this season. I think that will change as Wheaton gets into the meat of their schedule and allows their inexperience at corner to catch up and be able to handle the increased pressure of man coverage. Time will tell. Either way I feel very confident with this year's defense and am excited to see how they continue to gel.

[matblake]

Thanks, Roll. 

[Gregory Sager]

UWP over UWW would still be a major upset, IMO.

I'm guessing that'd be a major upset in everyone's opinion 

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"...I would have to agree with that statement!!"

Why didn't you post a picture of Captain Obvious's ranking officer, Major Upset?

I agree that the Millikin/Augie game should be a good one. It'll definitely be the Big Blue's best shot to beating them in several years, although the game will be played in Rock Island...not that home field has been much of an advantage for Augie yet this year...   

This is a game on which I'll keep one eye on Saturday. Given all of the struggles that Jimmy Millikin has had in recent seasons, if the Big Blue can pull off a win on Augie's home field it'll be all the proof anyone needs that what was once the flagship program of CCIW football is sinking faster than a cinderblock dropped from the Rock Island Centennial Bridge into the Mississippi.

[matblake]

I agree that the Millikin/Augie game should be a good one. It'll definitely be the Big Blue's best shot to beating them in several years, although the game will be played in Rock Island...not that home field has been much of an advantage for Augie yet this year...   

This is a game on which I'll keep one eye on Saturday. Given all of the struggles that Jimmy Millikin has had in recent seasons, if the Big Blue can pull off a win on Augie's home field it'll be all the proof anyone needs that what was once the flagship program of CCIW football is sinking faster than a cinderblock dropped from the Rock Island Centennial Bridge into the Mississippi.

Personally I think this is going to be a win by Augie.  While 0-3, their level of competition has been higher than upon original viewing of their schedule.  The loss to IC by Millikin has me thinking, especially after IC got blown out by Monmouth, which granted is tops in the MWC. The win against Greenville tells us nothing about the Big Blue and I have no idea how to rate Hope yet.   I'm thinking Augie by 10.

[Gregory Sager]

I'm not sure that I want to lean too heavily upon piecing it all together via strength of competition to date, given that everybody's only played three games thus far, but -- yeah, MB, I agree with you that Augie is probably a substantial favorite in this game.

[Mugsy]

What surprised me most is the number of sacks given up by each team thus far.

Wheaton has played 4 new offensive lineman who had not seen real varsity action before this year and one returning starter is in a boot. Also, Roberts escaped 10-15 sacks last year when the pocket broke down and turned losses into first downs.

Actually the point I was trying to make was the inverse.  I stated that typically Wheaton & IWU have some stout defensive lineman and LB's.  Instead of sacks allowed, I meant sacks by.  Both Wheaton & IWU only have 2 sacks in 3 games.

Conversely Wheaton has allowed 6 sacks in 3 games and IWU allowed 7.  For the number of times they have attempted to pass, that isn't too bad.  Especially for Wheaton given they have 4 new offensive lineman.

How many years into Wheaton's 3-4 defense are we?  Is it 2 or 3?  Wonder if that has been part of the drop off.  It might just be they don't have guy good at sacking right now, but there might still be a learning curve happening with the players and perhaps the coaching, even from the personnel side of things.

This is the 3rd year in the 3-4 scheme.  They have experienced players who have shown some ability to get to the QB.  JD East had 4 sacks last year and Robert Ramsey had 6 sacks last year, just to name a few. Not huge sack numbers, but definitely hints that more could be in store for 2011.

[Pat Coleman]

Why didn't you post a picture of Captain Obvious's ranking officer, Major Upset?

Somehow I don't think Capt. Obvious and Maj. Upset are in the same command structure.