FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[NCF]

How exactly did NCC "choke" or "blow the game"?

I dont see that anyone made a mistake, or laid down, puckered, or quit.

It was an effin war out there.

Wabash made great plays.  It could have gone either way.

No one choked anything on Saturday.

Yet again, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. As a parent of one of those players who left everything he had on the field, ask him what he thinks. You wouldn't like his answer. He left the field Saturday knowing that it was another case of woulda, shoulda, coulda... but didn't.

All I can say is I hope we can get Mount Union to gack one up too, that will put us one game closer to the National Championship. 

Good luck with that

[robertgoulet]

So...if Wabash were to have been in the same position and lost you wouldn't have said they blew the game or choked? You would be saying "man we played great and NCC beat us"? I don't believe that at all.

No, if Wabash were up by 21 points at halftime I wouldn't have spent the intermission lighting victory cigars and booking rooms in Alliance.  I'd have had enough respect for a second round opponent to know that there's 30 more minutes and just as easily as one team jumped out to 21 points, the other guys are good enough to get 21 back in the second half.  Y'all weren't playing Olivet or Millikin on Saturday.

Wait...didn't you just say how hard NCC played and how they didn't quit or choke (it may have been another poster, too lazy to go look)...and now you're intimating that NCC didn't have respect for their opponent after halftime (which one could easily assume means they took the foot off the gas)? Which is it?

I don't think NCC thought they were playing Olivet or Millikin. I think the coaches blew it with their 4th quarter gameplan. I think Wabash played a great 2nd half.

Again. These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

I don't know what I'm going to do now that the season is over and we go into the board's silent time...I guess I can get work done?

[NCF]

So...if Wabash were to have been in the same position and lost you wouldn't have said they blew the game or choked? You would be saying "man we played great and NCC beat us"? I don't believe that at all.

No, if Wabash were up by 21 points at halftime I wouldn't have spent the intermission lighting victory cigars and booking rooms in Alliance.  I'd have had enough respect for a second round opponent to know that there's 30 more minutes and just as easily as one team jumped out to 21 points, the other guys are good enough to get 21 back in the second half.  Y'all weren't playing Olivet or Millikin on Saturday.

Wait...didn't you just say how hard NCC played and how they didn't quit or choke (it may have been another poster, too lazy to go look)...and now you're intimating that NCC didn't have respect for their opponent after halftime (which one could easily assume means they took the foot off the gas)? Which is it?

I don't think NCC thought they were playing Olivet or Millikin. I think the coaches blew it with their 4th quarter gameplan. I think Wabash played a great 2nd half.

Again. These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

I don't know what I'm going to do now that the season is over and we go into the board's silent time...I guess I can get work done?

It's evident by these posts that our opinions/perspectives whatever you want to call them are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Nothing they try to ramrod down my throat is going to make me see it their way and nothing I say will make them see it mine. However, the beauty of the boards is the option for EVERYONE to express their opinion. We will never see eye to eye on Saturday's game-ever.
As far as the football season being over-you can always watch the track team go for a three peat.

[wally_wabash]

So...if Wabash were to have been in the same position and lost you wouldn't have said they blew the game or choked? You would be saying "man we played great and NCC beat us"? I don't believe that at all.

No, if Wabash were up by 21 points at halftime I wouldn't have spent the intermission lighting victory cigars and booking rooms in Alliance.  I'd have had enough respect for a second round opponent to know that there's 30 more minutes and just as easily as one team jumped out to 21 points, the other guys are good enough to get 21 back in the second half.  Y'all weren't playing Olivet or Millikin on Saturday.

Wait...didn't you just say how hard NCC played and how they didn't quit or choke (it may have been another poster, too lazy to go look)...and now you're intimating that NCC didn't have respect for their opponent after halftime (which one could easily assume means they took the foot off the gas)? Which is it?

I don't think NCC thought they were playing Olivet or Millikin. I think the coaches blew it with their 4th quarter gameplan. I think Wabash played a great 2nd half.

Again. These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

I don't know what I'm going to do now that the season is over and we go into the board's silent time...I guess I can get work done?

No, no.  I've maintained through all of this that the talk about choking and getting complacent and blowing the game is a disservice to all of those players who played on Saturday.  Seems like a lot of people who watched remotely or bought a ticket in C'ville on Saturday thought this thing was a formality before an inevitable NCC/UMU quarterfinal...and certainly figured the LGs were going wilt once faced with a sizeable halftime deficit.  I didn't see the Cardinal players let up one iota on Saturday...I think, and it seems pretty clear from the commentary here since Saturday, that a lot of the people sitting behind the NCC bench on Saturday got too cozy at halftime and got ahead of themselves a little bit. 

I've got nothing but total respect for the men that played in that game on Saturday.  That was about as tough and physically brutal as a football game gets.  Not one of those players on either side has anything to hang their head about. 

[devildog29]

How exactly did NCC "choke" or "blow the game"?

I dont see that anyone made a mistake, or laid down, puckered, or quit.

It was an effin war out there.

Wabash made great plays.  It could have gone either way.

No one choked anything on Saturday.

First off, it wasn't "an effin war."  I've played in tough football games, and I've been in a war.  I assure you they are nothing alike.  Second, nobody from the CCIW is accusing NCC of laying down or quitting.  Blowing or choking a game away is not the same as them giving in and capitulating.  In consecutive weeks, IWU and now NCC had 3 score leads in a game (in NCC's case, late in the game), and failed to make the plays down the stretch to put the opponent away.  Credit to said opponents, as they had to come through and make the plays to win the game, but I think most objective observers would agreee that having a 3 score lead in a football game and failing to win the game is, indeed, blowing the game.  Again, kudos to Wabash for continuing to fight and coming back to win that game. 

[oldnuthin]

So...if Wabash were to have been in the same position and lost you wouldn't have said they blew the game or choked? You would be saying "man we played great and NCC beat us"? I don't believe that at all.

No, if Wabash were up by 21 points at halftime I wouldn't have spent the intermission lighting victory cigars and booking rooms in Alliance.  I'd have had enough respect for a second round opponent to know that there's 30 more minutes and just as easily as one team jumped out to 21 points, the other guys are good enough to get 21 back in the second half.  Y'all weren't playing Olivet or Millikin on Saturday.

Wait...didn't you just say how hard NCC played and how they didn't quit or choke (it may have been another poster, too lazy to go look)...and now you're intimating that NCC didn't have respect for their opponent after halftime (which one could easily assume means they took the foot off the gas)? Which is it?

I don't think NCC thought they were playing Olivet or Millikin. I think the coaches blew it with their 4th quarter gameplan. I think Wabash played a great 2nd half.

Again. These 2 things are not mutually exclusive.

I don't know what I'm going to do now that the season is over and we go into the board's silent time...I guess I can get work done?

I object to being compared to Olivet!

[BashBacker#16]

NCC fans,

I was curious what you guys thought of CJ Gum on Saturday?  Just curious especially since he got a lot of pre-game hype.  Hopefully Horn and Chamblee were also as good as advertised.

I was most impressed with your defensive front 4 as well as Kukuc and Antonacci...

BB16

[robertgoulet]

NCC fans,

I was curious what you guys thought of CJ Gum on Saturday?  Just curious especially since he got a lot of pre-game hype.  Hopefully Horn and Chamblee were also as good as advertised.

I was most impressed with your defensive front 4 as well as Kukuc and Antonacci...

BB16

Gum reminded me a lot of former NCC MLB Lenny Radtke from a few years ago (made the Aztec Bowl in 2006, and is now playing for the Chicago Slaughter). Big and fast.

Horn actually impressed me more than Chamblee, Horn's size and hands were really good.

[NCF]

NCC fans,

I was curious what you guys thought of CJ Gum on Saturday?  Just curious especially since he got a lot of pre-game hype.  Hopefully Horn and Chamblee were also as good as advertised.

I was most impressed with your defensive front 4 as well as Kukuc and Antonacci...

BB16

Gum reminded me a lot of former NCC MLB Lenny Radtke from a few years ago (made the Aztec Bowl in 2006, and is now playing for the Chicago Slaughter). Big and fast.

Horn actually impressed me more than Chamblee, Horn's size and hands were really good.

thought he did a great job and thought NC's guy was just as good. both of them did hit hard.

[cardinaldad]

NCC fans,

I was curious what you guys thought of CJ Gum on Saturday?  Just curious especially since he got a lot of pre-game hype.  Hopefully Horn and Chamblee were also as good as advertised.

I was most impressed with your defensive front 4 as well as Kukuc and Antonacci...

BB16

He brought the lumber and got a few tremendous hits in early. Not so many as the game went on, though. When he puts someone in his sights, he's out to blow them up. For a while I was expecting some Cardinal(s) to be taken off of the field. He woke us up. He covered the field real well too. A pretty darn good linebacker for sure. I was expecting more from the rest of them though. I wasn't too impressed with the "Pain Train". As was posted a few times since the game, the "Pain Train" got out "Pain Trained". We at NCC appreciate good linebacker play as we have had the fortune of having some excellent backers for a lot of years. I'm going to step out and attribute a lot of that to our former D coordinator and linebackers' coach Bill Wienke. As the younger lb's come up, it will be interesting to see if we can keep that tradition going as Coach Wienke's players graduate. Hopefully, Coach Ponx can recruit and develop that corp as Coach Wienke did for years.

[Li'l Giant]

First off, it wasn't "an effin war."  I've played in tough football games, and I've been in a war.  I assure you they are nothing alike.

+k

[cardinaldad]

First off, it wasn't "an effin war."  I've played in tough football games, and I've been in a war.  I assure you they are nothing alike.

+k

Amen!!!! Thank you for serving!  +k

[NCF]

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[emma17]

Saturday was a tough loss and I'm sorry NCC wasn't able to advance to play Mt Union and possibly in the Stagg Bowl- and represent the CCIW.  I have been on the NCC bandwagon for a while- I actually had the game on the laptop while in the tailgate tent at UWW.  I missed some of the UWW 3rd period to watch the ending, hoping for a NCC defensive stop.  Which brings me to this question.
Did anybody look at the play of the week on the D3 home page?  It's the two-point conversion.  I'm curious to know whether you feel NCC was in a Man or Zone coverage, or some combination.  The NCC safety, #17, doesn't play the slot receiver like the other two defenders play their "man".  Considering how close the ball was to the goal line, that slot receiver was wide open.   

[Always.A.Titan]

Saturday was a tough loss and I'm sorry NCC wasn't able to advance to play Mt Union and possibly in the Stagg Bowl- and represent the CCIW.  I have been on the NCC bandwagon for a while- I actually had the game on the laptop while in the tailgate tent at UWW.  I missed some of the UWW 3rd period to watch the ending, hoping for a NCC defensive stop.  Which brings me to this question.
Did anybody look at the play of the week on the D3 home page?  It's the two-point conversion.  I'm curious to know whether you feel NCC was in a Man or Zone coverage, or some combination.  The NCC safety, #17, doesn't play the slot receiver like the other two defenders play their "man".  Considering how close the ball was to the goal line, that slot receiver was wide open.   

I think 1 of 2 things could have happened. Either the safety was misaligned in man coverage since he was 6-7 yards deep in the end zone OR the LB got too occupied with jamming the inside WR. I think they were playing zone judging from the safety's steps as well as the other LBs steps. It looks like the outside backer should have dropped to cover the quick stick/out route of the #2 receiver. Just my 2 cents