FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

CCIW have any sort of roster limitations? Sorry if this was discussed already.

No, and as I posted about a half-hour ago, you'll never see the CCIW institute a roster limitation rule. CCIW schools need the tuition money, and they need the male bodies on campus as well to help offset the disproportionate female:male ratio that has become the norm at non-technical colleges and universities across the nation.

And carrying this one step further, not only do CCIW (and likely many other truly "small" small colleges/conferences) need the tuition money to both balance the budget, and also to often help balance the female:male ratio, another reason is that some schools have a policy of not cutting freshmen. Be it football, basketball, or another sport, freshman often make up a rather large percentage of a team's roster. Accordingly, if a school doesn't cut freshmen, this can certainly help account for a rather sizeable roster.

I agree. Mount Union doesn't cut their freshman. I read over on their board they had 99 freshman "tryout" at camp this year.    None will get cut, but most will quit within a year. I think their total camp is over 180 athletes....that's a crazy amount.

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Maybe its an Ohio or OAC thing?  (Actually, many schools prob have pretty large rosters)
Long, long ago in a galaxy not so far away my dad QB'd and captained the Baldwin Wallace football team. Just for fun, I checked this year's BW roster which is now up on their site. Between returnees and newbies, they have a current roster of 188.     
How would you like to work with that? Do I hear large recruiting quota perhaps?

Also, with regard to a no cut of freshmen policy, I believe the prevailing theory is that the vast majority of the freshmen who not only never or rarely play, but never even rise above 5th or 6th string in football or #4 on the depth chart at their position in basketball, will, in effect, cut themselves, by not returning for their soph year or junior year at most. Thats when you see the majority of transfers to another school, although the majority probably stay at the same school. They drop the athlete portion of student-athlete. The school receives tuition income for 4 years, but the kid is out of the athletic picture after the 1st or 2nd, and sometimes even 3rd year.

*The potential for a school to have a student-athlete as a member of the institution's family for four years, whether they retain the athlete portion of the term or not, is often reflected in the financial "package" a school might offer a recruit. Many, if not most, schools will not offer a kid transferring in after one or two years at another school or schools, as much of a financial package as they would have gotten as an entering freshman. In the case of a transfer, the new school knows they will have him/her for only 2 or 3 years.
When someone enters as a freshman, there exists at least the potential for a full 4 year stream of tuition/fee income. The amount offered in an incoming student-athlete's $ "package" is usually reflective of the number of years of potential income stream to the institution.

I completely agree with this. The amount of the financial aid package is a HUGE consideration for a recruit at a small, private D3. If you're wanted the package will be very, very good and it helps if you are a good student. The problem is that as the cost of tuition increasethe amount of the financial aid package does not. I was told by a financial aid counselor that the package amount you receive as a freshman will stay the same for four years and the student(student's family) must pay the increase. If you apply for and receive any additional scholarships throughout your four years, other aid is reduced to the first year award amount. In other words, reel em in with a good package and hope that first year experience is good so they keep  coming back, no matter what they have to pay. From what I understand, this is a common practice.

Actually, since D3 institutions are excluded from awarding athletic scholarships, an incoming student-athlete's academic record is most often the single most important factor in the determination of the size of his/her financial package. It just doesn't help, it makes a huge difference! In order to qualify for that $20,000 (or whatever the concerned school's top dollar amount is) Presidential Scholarship (or whatever the school calls its top academic award), you're going to need at least a 3.5 HS GPA in your core (a very important term) subjects as well as an ACT score minimally in the high 20s. 
While there may be any number of both internal and external institutional scholarships, grants, and other awards available, an incoming recruit's  academic record is almost always going to be the most important determining factor in the amount of financial aid (the financial "package") that he/she will receive. Conversely, if you check in with GPA and ACT test score figures only slightly above a school's minimums, you're likely to receive a package that will likely be some 50% or more, less than that amount awarded to an incoming student-athlete with a highly distinctive and desirable academic record. 

[Gregory Sager]

NPU preview just came out.

[NCF]

It seems everyone has a preview - except North Central:(

[NCF]

For anyone interested in watching NC practice, you can go today from 9 to 11:30 am and 7 to 9:30 pm.

[NCF]

NC also has practice from 2 to 5 on Sunday.

[Titan Q]

Reading through some of IWU's preseason information, it sounds like these are IWU's key players heading into the 2012 season...

Offense:

QB
Rob Gallik*, 6-2/215 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.) - returning from off-season shoulder surgery
Alex Hale, 6-1/195 SO (Mount Carmel, IL H.S.)

TB
T.J. Stinde*, 5-10/205 JR (Lexington, IL H.S.) - returning from knee injury
Cameron Allen, 5-9/180 SR (Anchorage, AK - Service H.S.)

FB
Sean Conley*, 5-11/240 JR (Bolingbrook, IL H.S.)
Cameron Blossom, 5-9/195 SR (Graymont, IL - Flanagan-Cornell H.S.)

TE
Parker Carroll*, 6-4/235 SR (Oak Forest, IL H.S.)

OL
Matt Siegert*, 6-5/250 JR (Naperville, IL - Benet Academy)
Nick Varchetto*, 6-0/280 SR (Frankford, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Zach Anderson*, 6-3/290 JR (Wenona, IL - Fieldcrest H.S.)
Scott Yockey, 6-1/250 SR (Farmington Hills, MI - North Farmington H.S.)
Niall Mulchahy, 6-0/285 SO (Elmhurst, IL - Fenwick H.S.)

WR
Joe Musso*, 6-0/190 SR (Chicago, IL - Fenwick H.S.)  2nd Team All-CCIW
Tate Musselman*, 6-4/215 SR (Bloomington, IL - Normal Community H.S.)
Brett Robinson*, 6-0/180 SR (Wheaton, IL - St. Francis H.S.)


Defense:

DL
Trey Cunningham*, 6-2/245 SR (Sringfield, IL - Chatham-Glenwood H.S.)  2nd Team All-CCIW - returning from knee injury
Bert Blodgett*, 6-1/280 SR (Palatine, IL - Fremd H.S.)
Joe Schneider*, 6-2/250 JR (Palos Park, Sandburg H.S.)
Andrew Biggerstaff, 6-3/260 SR (Brookfield, IL - Riverside-Brookfield H.S.)
Chris Simms, 6-1/210 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Zach Borta, 6-1/235 FR (Naperville, IL - Naperville Central H.S.)

LB
Mike Kraft, 5-10/205 SR (Naperville, IL - Naperville Central H.S)
J.J. Marren, 6-0/220 SR (Chicago, IL - Brother Rice H.S.**)
Kyle Pfister, 6-2/215 JR (Elk Grove, IL H.S.)
Mike Heaton, 6-0/200 JR (Wheaton, IL - Wheaton Warrenville South H.S.)
Chris Simms, 6-1/210 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Ryan Penders, 6-1/220 JR (New Lenox, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Gary Eppinger, 6-1/220 SO (Gurnee, IL - Warren Township H.S.) - transfer from Robert Morris U. (Chicago)
Connor Klein, 6-2/208 SO (Park Ridge, IL - Maine South H.S.)


DB
Zach Johnson, 6-1/185 SR (Frankfort, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Paul Panno, 5-10/175 JR (Pontiac, IL H.S.)
Stephen McGinnis, 6-2/195 JR (Oak Lawn, IL - Brother Rice H.S.**)
Joe Krob, 5-11/175 JR (Wheaton, IL - Wheaton Warrenville South H.S.)
Bret Strzelczyk, 5-11/195 JR (Chicago, IL - Fenwick H.S.)


Special Teams:

Kickoff/Punter - Alex Garvey*, 6-2/190 JR (Glenview, IL - Glenbrook South H.S.)

FG/XP - Michael Kelley, 5-9/150 FR (Carbondale, IL H.S.)


* returning starter

** best high school ever

[Titan Q]

I think the Titans are positioned to have a very good 2012 season.  They are very talented, deep, and balanced offensively.  Certainly a lot of questions to answer on defense, but it seems like they have a number of guys to plug in who are ready to go.  I'm looking forward to kickoff!

[NCF]

Reading through some of IWU's preseason information, it sounds like these are IWU's key players heading into the 2012 season...

Offense:

QB
Rob Gallik*, 6-2/215 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Alex Hale, 6-1/195 SO (Mount Carmel, IL H.S.)

TB
T.J. Stinde*, 5-10/205 JR (Lexington, IL H.S.)
Cameron Allen, 5-9/180 SR (Anchorage, AK - Service H.S.)

FB
Cameron Blossom*, 5-9/195 SR (Graymont, IL - Flanagan-Cornell H.S.)
Sean Conley, 5-11/240 JR (Bolingbrook, IL H.S.)

TE
Parker Carroll*, 6-4/235 SR (Oak Forest, IL H.S.)

OL
Matt Siegert*, 6-5/250 JR (Naperville, IL - Benet Academy)
Nick Varchetto*, 6-0/280 SR (Frankford, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Zach Anderson*, 6-3/290 JR (Wenona, IL - Fieldcrest H.S.)
Scott Yockey, 6-1/250 SR (Farmington Hills, MI - North Farmington H.S.)
Niall Mulchahy, 6-0/285 SO (Elmhurst, IL - Fenwick H.S.)

WR
Joe Musso*, 6-0/190 SR (Chicago, IL - Fenwick H.S.)  2nd Team All-CCIW
Tate Musselman*, 6-4/215 SR (Bloomington, IL - Normal Community H.S.)
Brett Robinson*, 6-0/180 SR (Wheaton, IL - St. Francis H.S.)


Defense:

DL
Trey Cunningham*, 6-2/245 SR (Sringfield, IL - Chatham-Glenwood H.S.)  2nd Team All-CCIW
Bert Blodgett*, 6-1/280 SR (Palatine, IL - Fremd H.S.)
Andrew Biggerstaff*, 6-3/260 SR (Brookfield, IL - Riverside-Brookfield H.S.)
Joe Schneider*, 6-2/250 JR (Palos Park, Sandburg H.S.)
Chris Simms*, 6-1/210 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Zach Borta, 6-1/235 FR (Naperville, IL - Naperville Central H.S.)

LB
Mike Kraft, 5-10/205 SR (Naperville, IL - Naperville Central H.S)
J.J. Marren, 6-0/220 SR (Chicago, IL - Brother Rice H.S.**)
Kyle Pfister, 6-2/215 JR (Elk Grove, IL H.S.)
Mike Heaton, 6-0/200 JR (Wheaton, IL - Wheaton Warrenville South H.S.)
Chris Simms, 6-1/210 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Ryan Penders, 6-1/220 JR (New Lenox, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Connor Klein, 6-2/208 SO (Park Ridge, IL - Maine South H.S.)
Gary Eppinger, 6-1/220 SO (Gurnee, IL - Warren Township H.S.)

DB
Zach Johnson, 6-1/185 SR (Frankfort, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Paul Panno, 5-10/175 JR (Pontiac, IL H.S.)
Stephen McGinnis, 6-2/195 JR (Oak Lawn, IL - Brother Rice H.S.**)
Joe Krob, 5-11/175 JR (Wheaton, IL - Wheaton Warrenville South H.S.)
Bret Strzelczyk, 5-11/195 JR (Chicago, IL - Fenwick H.S.)

Special Teams
Kickoff/Punter - Alex Garvey*, 6-2/190 JR (Glenview, IL - Glenbrook South H.S.)

FG/XP - ?? (will be a freshman starter but not sure who)


* returning starter

** best high school ever

Not so sure about best high school ever:) But I can go with best/toughest conf!:)

[NCF]

Any comments on the 6'1, 295lb. 12 year old who is too big for the youth league he wants to play for. The league has a weight limit rule and the kid's family wants them to let their kid play any. BTW, the limit is 130 lbs. The league allows some bigger kids to play on the line, however, the league says he is too big even to play on the line.

[dlippiel]

Dlip feels for the kid, hopefully he can find somewhere to play. Dlip doesn't think they should let him play in a league with a weight limit of 130 pounds though. Other kids will get homogenized. Hopefully something will work out for the big guy.

[NCF]

Dlip feels for the kid, hopefully he can find somewhere to play. Dlip doesn't think they should let him play in a league with a weight limit of 130 pounds though. Other kids will get homogenized. Hopefully something will work out for the big guy.

He canehis junior high team. he doesn't want  to do that. Some people want the league to abandon the wt. limit rule. I don't think they should.

[Titan Q]

I said yesterday I didn't know who IWU's new FG/XP kicker would be.  It is freshman Michael Kelley from Carbondale...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYpQrUzyPN8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkFWT0VWXHU


We're in an era where we can find YouTube highlight videos on D3-bound kickers!  (Is it just me or are the goal posts in those first few game highlights really, really short??)

[New Tradition]

Reading through some of IWU's preseason information, it sounds like these are IWU's key players heading into the 2012 season...

Offense:

QB
Rob Gallik*, 6-2/215 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Alex Hale, 6-1/195 SO (Mount Carmel, IL H.S.)

TB
T.J. Stinde*, 5-10/205 JR (Lexington, IL H.S.)
Cameron Allen, 5-9/180 SR (Anchorage, AK - Service H.S.)

FB
Cameron Blossom*, 5-9/195 SR (Graymont, IL - Flanagan-Cornell H.S.)
Sean Conley, 5-11/240 JR (Bolingbrook, IL H.S.)

TE
Parker Carroll*, 6-4/235 SR (Oak Forest, IL H.S.)

OL
Matt Siegert*, 6-5/250 JR (Naperville, IL - Benet Academy)
Nick Varchetto*, 6-0/280 SR (Frankford, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Zach Anderson*, 6-3/290 JR (Wenona, IL - Fieldcrest H.S.)
Scott Yockey, 6-1/250 SR (Farmington Hills, MI - North Farmington H.S.)
Niall Mulchahy, 6-0/285 SO (Elmhurst, IL - Fenwick H.S.)

WR
Joe Musso*, 6-0/190 SR (Chicago, IL - Fenwick H.S.)  2nd Team All-CCIW
Tate Musselman*, 6-4/215 SR (Bloomington, IL - Normal Community H.S.)
Brett Robinson*, 6-0/180 SR (Wheaton, IL - St. Francis H.S.)


Defense:

DL
Trey Cunningham*, 6-2/245 SR (Sringfield, IL - Chatham-Glenwood H.S.)  2nd Team All-CCIW
Bert Blodgett*, 6-1/280 SR (Palatine, IL - Fremd H.S.)
Andrew Biggerstaff*, 6-3/260 SR (Brookfield, IL - Riverside-Brookfield H.S.)
Joe Schneider*, 6-2/250 JR (Palos Park, Sandburg H.S.)
Chris Simms*, 6-1/210 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Zach Borta, 6-1/235 FR (Naperville, IL - Naperville Central H.S.)

LB
Mike Kraft, 5-10/205 SR (Naperville, IL - Naperville Central H.S)
J.J. Marren, 6-0/220 SR (Chicago, IL - Brother Rice H.S.**)
Kyle Pfister, 6-2/215 JR (Elk Grove, IL H.S.)
Mike Heaton, 6-0/200 JR (Wheaton, IL - Wheaton Warrenville South H.S.)
Chris Simms, 6-1/210 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Ryan Penders, 6-1/220 JR (New Lenox, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Connor Klein, 6-2/208 SO (Park Ridge, IL - Maine South H.S.)
Gary Eppinger, 6-1/220 SO (Gurnee, IL - Warren Township H.S.)

DB
Zach Johnson, 6-1/185 SR (Frankfort, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Paul Panno, 5-10/175 JR (Pontiac, IL H.S.)
Stephen McGinnis, 6-2/195 JR (Oak Lawn, IL - Brother Rice H.S.**)
Joe Krob, 5-11/175 JR (Wheaton, IL - Wheaton Warrenville South H.S.)
Bret Strzelczyk, 5-11/195 JR (Chicago, IL - Fenwick H.S.)

Special Teams
Kickoff/Punter - Alex Garvey*, 6-2/190 JR (Glenview, IL - Glenbrook South H.S.)

FG/XP - ?? (will be a freshman starter but not sure who)


* returning starter

** best high school ever

Not so sure about best high school ever:) But I can go with best/toughest conf!:)

When did Brother Rice join the DVC?? 

[NCF]

Reading through some of IWU's preseason information, it sounds like these are IWU's key players heading into the 2012 season...

Offense:

QB
Rob Gallik*, 6-2/215 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Alex Hale, 6-1/195 SO (Mount Carmel, IL H.S.)

TB
T.J. Stinde*, 5-10/205 JR (Lexington, IL H.S.)
Cameron Allen, 5-9/180 SR (Anchorage, AK - Service H.S.)

FB
Cameron Blossom*, 5-9/195 SR (Graymont, IL - Flanagan-Cornell H.S.)
Sean Conley, 5-11/240 JR (Bolingbrook, IL H.S.)

TE
Parker Carroll*, 6-4/235 SR (Oak Forest, IL H.S.)

OL
Matt Siegert*, 6-5/250 JR (Naperville, IL - Benet Academy)
Nick Varchetto*, 6-0/280 SR (Frankford, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Zach Anderson*, 6-3/290 JR (Wenona, IL - Fieldcrest H.S.)
Scott Yockey, 6-1/250 SR (Farmington Hills, MI - North Farmington H.S.)
Niall Mulchahy, 6-0/285 SO (Elmhurst, IL - Fenwick H.S.)

WR
Joe Musso*, 6-0/190 SR (Chicago, IL - Fenwick H.S.)  2nd Team All-CCIW
Tate Musselman*, 6-4/215 SR (Bloomington, IL - Normal Community H.S.)
Brett Robinson*, 6-0/180 SR (Wheaton, IL - St. Francis H.S.)


Defense:

DL
Trey Cunningham*, 6-2/245 SR (Sringfield, IL - Chatham-Glenwood H.S.)  2nd Team All-CCIW
Bert Blodgett*, 6-1/280 SR (Palatine, IL - Fremd H.S.)
Andrew Biggerstaff*, 6-3/260 SR (Brookfield, IL - Riverside-Brookfield H.S.)
Joe Schneider*, 6-2/250 JR (Palos Park, Sandburg H.S.)
Chris Simms*, 6-1/210 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Zach Borta, 6-1/235 FR (Naperville, IL - Naperville Central H.S.)

LB
Mike Kraft, 5-10/205 SR (Naperville, IL - Naperville Central H.S)
J.J. Marren, 6-0/220 SR (Chicago, IL - Brother Rice H.S.**)
Kyle Pfister, 6-2/215 JR (Elk Grove, IL H.S.)
Mike Heaton, 6-0/200 JR (Wheaton, IL - Wheaton Warrenville South H.S.)
Chris Simms, 6-1/210 JR (Chicago, IL - St. Rita H.S.)
Ryan Penders, 6-1/220 JR (New Lenox, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Connor Klein, 6-2/208 SO (Park Ridge, IL - Maine South H.S.)
Gary Eppinger, 6-1/220 SO (Gurnee, IL - Warren Township H.S.)

DB
Zach Johnson, 6-1/185 SR (Frankfort, IL - Lincoln Way East H.S.)
Paul Panno, 5-10/175 JR (Pontiac, IL H.S.)
Stephen McGinnis, 6-2/195 JR (Oak Lawn, IL - Brother Rice H.S.**)
Joe Krob, 5-11/175 JR (Wheaton, IL - Wheaton Warrenville South H.S.)
Bret Strzelczyk, 5-11/195 JR (Chicago, IL - Fenwick H.S.)

Special Teams
Kickoff/Punter - Alex Garvey*, 6-2/190 JR (Glenview, IL - Glenbrook South H.S.)

FG/XP - ?? (will be a freshman starter but not sure who)


* returning starter

** best high school ever

Not so sure about best high school ever:) But I can go with best/toughest conf!:)

When did  Brother Rice join the DVC?? 

Hahahahahaha

[robertgoulet]

Dlip feels for the kid, hopefully he can find somewhere to play. Dlip doesn't think they should let him play in a league with a weight limit of 130 pounds though. Other kids will get homogenized. Hopefully something will work out for the big guy.

He canehis junior high team. he doesn't want  to do that. Some people want the league to abandon the wt. limit rule. I don't think they should.

Some friends and I were on the way to a fantasy football draft Saturday and this story came on the radio. That was the first I had heard that the kid still has an option to play with kids his own age at his Jr High, just not in his PeeWee league.

Once I heard that it all became a non-story to me. He can still play with kids his own age, if that was not the case then there would be some debate to be had.

My biggest problem with all of this is the PeeWee coach who told the kid he should play for his team, had him practicing and everything. He knew damn well they weren't going to let the kid play. Why even ask him to play?