FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

They may give out more aid initially to incoming freshmen, but as the tuition goes up the amount of aid stays the same. They hook  a student as a freshman and hope they stick around even if they have to pay more each year. The financial aid officer at NC told me that what you get as a freshman is pretty much what you will get for the next three years and they expect you (as in me) to pay the increase. The cost for NC this year is $41, 900 for tuition, room and board and activity fee. That is about a $2000 increase every year. I'm hoping my last one does the JUCO route and then transfers, but I understand her wanting to go away for four years as well. I just don't want her saddled with too much debt at age 22.

The key word in your response is "initially". What you say is no doubt true of a lot of schools, but getting the kid to actually enroll is the part of the process that interests the coach. And if you're not offering that much aid to, say, an academic junior who is transferring in from a community college, because your financial aid department is tailoring its packages more towards freshmen -- even if the freshmen aren't going to get more money as sophomores and juniors and seniors than they're getting as freshmen -- then that juco grad becomes that much harder to land if you're a coach.

[AndOne]

Usee, I think IWU and the others are in different ranking categories.  IWU is also, historically, United Methodist-affiliated.  I believe IWU is in the national liberal arts category and NCC and several other CCIW institutions are in the regional category.  I could be wrong, but I think this is so.  FYI.  For a number of years, when Minor Myers, jr. was President, IWU was ranked #1 in the regional category, then moved to the national category.  We've been in the top 50 in that grouping, but now down a bit, mainly due to decreases in the endowment during the financial crisis and recession and weak participation rates in alumni giving.  That is all coming back up now. 

You all can all blame me for the errors in numbers if you wish . . . but at least get your numbers right.    Perhaps Greg's quote is relevant here.  Don't fall off your lamp posts, Usee.  Some further illumination might be in order.

IWU70

US NEWS & WORLD REPORT COLLEGE CATEGORY RANKING INFORMATION:

National Liberal Arts College Rankings
 
National Liberal Arts College Methodology

Among the National Liberal Arts Colleges are schools like Pomona College and Bowdoin College, which emphasize undergraduate education and award at least half of their degrees in the liberal arts fields of study.


Regional University Midwest Rankings

Regional University Midwest Methodology

Regional Universities offer a full range of undergrad programs and some master's programs but few doctoral programs. Regional Universities include Providence College, Elon University, Creighton University and Santa Clara University.

North Central is the #13 Midwest Regional Universities field which includes schools that have more masters programs in addition to a full range of undergrad programs

Wheaton is the #57 school in National Liberal Arts Colleges field which focuses on undergrad education with only a few, if any, masters degree programs. Illinois Wesleyan is #65 in the same category.

So, the lucky numbers in tonight's Pick Three are 13, 57, and 65.      

[AndOne]

A lot of kids these days are looking at numbers like the ones kiko posted above and are making the decision to go the community college route before finishing up at a four-year school. That should favor those schools that look favorably upon juco transfers in terms of athletics. But the reality is that it's harder to make that work for you than it sounds, because financial aid departments are frequently less prone to give good aid packages to transfers than they are to incoming freshmen. The premise is that financial aid is an investment in student retention, and it's more desirable to retain Student A for three more years at your school than it is to retain Student B for only one more year. I know that this is why NPU has not been able to load up on juco athletes nearly as much as North Park coaches would like to.

I believe the system described by Greg above is the norm and is now followed by a majority of schools including all those whose financial aid "package" offerings I am familiar with. A junior transferring in after 2 years at a jucco is just not going to receive the same amount of dollars as is an incoming true freshman who, in theory, will be around for 4 years as opposed to only 2 years

I'm sure many of you have heard of colleges Department(s) of Enrollment Management. This is exactly what one of their primary focus points usually involves.

[iwu70]

Thanks, AndOne, my friend.  Very "illuminating."  Glad to see you need no lamp posts.

Looking forward to the weekend of great D3 sports, at whatever institution and ranking-level it may be. 

Glad we have all kinds of institutions of higher learning in America for all kinds of students, interests, majors, temperaments, backgrounds, countries and sporting interests.  We are blessed as a nation.

IWU70

[USee]

College Name        Fall 2012 acceptance rate       Applicants           Average high school GPA          SAT/ACT 25th-75th percentile 

Illinois Wesleyan                   59.5%                        3,297                          3.5                                   25-30

North Central College            60.2%                        3,987                         3.6                                   22-27

Wheaton College                   68.7%                        1,959                         3.7                                    27-32

[Stagg Again!!]

I've taken a first crack at regional rankings for North Region due out this week (SECOND REGIONAL RANKING).  I have also included the name of other schools in the hunt.  I have done this only to get the conversation started. 

1.  Mt. Union (9-0) OAC (John Carroll)
2.  North Central (9-0) CCIW (Augustana)
3.  John Carroll (9-0) OAC (Mt. Union)
4.  Wittenberg (8-1) NCAC (Allegheny)
5.  Illinois Wesleyan (8-1) CCIW (Elmhurst)
6.  Albion (7-2) MIAA (Hope)
7.  Franklin (6-3) HCAC (Hanover)
8.  Concordia, WI (7-2) NACC (Wisconsin Lutheran)

Wabash (8-1) NCAC (DePauw) - Bubble.  Most likely on the outside looking in.
Hope (7-2) MIAA (Albion) - Must defeat Albion

ACTUAL
NORTH
1. Mount Union, 9-0, 9-0. SAME
2. North Central, 9-0, 9-0. SAME
3. John Carroll, 9-0, 9-0. SAME
4. Wittenberg, 8-0, 8-1. SAME
5. Illinois Wesleyan, 8-1, 8-1. SAME
6. Wabash, 8-1, 8-1. BUBBLE
7. Wheaton, 7-2, 7-2. OUT - IMO
8. Hope, 7-2, 7-2. MUST DEFEAT ALBION OR OUT - IMO
9. Frankin, 6-2, 6-3. IN GOOD POSITION FOR 6 OR 7 SEED
9. Heidelberg, 7-2, 7-2. OUT - IMO

Concordia Wisconsin won AQ in NACC.

[michals56]

Mysteriously there was a lack of inductees into the 2013 Hampshire Honor Society from "The Harvard of the Midwest," a.k.a. IWU.
After much readin', writin' an' cypherin' North Central had done got 6 inta der as did Augustana.
The other "Bastion of Academics", Wheaton had one.

http://www.footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/tabid/567/Article/53635/2013-nff-hampshire-honor-society-membership-announced.aspx

[CardinalAlum]

Mysteriously there was a lack of inductees into the 2013 Hampshire Honor Society from "The Harvard of the Midwest," a.k.a. IWU.
After much readin', writin' an' cypherin' North Central had done got 6 inta der as did Augustana.
The other "Bastion of Academics", Wheaton had one.

http://www.footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/tabid/567/Article/53635/2013-nff-hampshire-honor-society-membership-announced.aspx

Looks like business was good in Downtown Naperville last night!   

Time to let it go.   

[NCF]

Mysteriously there was a lack of inductees into the 2013 Hampshire Honor Society from "The Harvard of the Midwest," a.k.a. IWU.
After much readin', writin' an' cypherin' North Central had done got 6 inta der as did Augustana.
The other "Bastion of Academics", Wheaton had one.

http://www.footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/tabid/567/Article/53635/2013-nff-hampshire-honor-society-membership-announced.aspx

Looks like business was good in Downtown Naperville last night!   

Time to let it go.

Agreed!!
......where's that picture of the dead horse  

[Langhorst_Ghost]

North Central is the #13 Midwest Regional Universities field which includes schools that have more masters programs in addition to a full range of undergrad programs

Wheaton is the #57 school in National Liberal Arts Colleges field which focuses on undergrad education with only a few, if any, masters degree programs. Illinois Wesleyan is #65 in the same category.

So, the lucky numbers in tonight's Pick Three are 13, 57, and 65.      

Ahem - tap on shoulder...Elmhurst College is #11 by the way. 

[CardinalAlum]

On an unrelated topic.....what about this week's football games??? .   Having been on the receiving end of some ugly beat downs from Augustana in the 80's, I am very much looking forward to Saturday's game!   Senior day, a chance to clinch the sole CCIW championship, a top seed in the playoffs and a first round home game should add up to a great day if the Cards take care of business.  Hoping for an injury free, great day for NCC!

[79jaybird]

When I was on the Alumni Cabinet at EC,  I told prospective students that they couldn't go wrong choosing any of the CCIW schools. They are all very prestigious, accredited,  schools and great places to spend 4 years of your life.  I don't think there are too many kids that would not want to attend any of the schools if given the opportunity to go. 

[AndOne]

North Central is the #13 Midwest Regional Universities field which includes schools that have more masters programs in addition to a full range of undergrad programs

Wheaton is the #57 school in National Liberal Arts Colleges field which focuses on undergrad education with only a few, if any, masters degree programs. Illinois Wesleyan is #65 in the same category.

So, the lucky numbers in tonight's Pick Three are 13, 57, and 65.      

Ahem - tap on shoulder...Elmhurst College is #11 by the way.

Impressive, Ghost. Hmmm, #s 11 and 13.
Heres hoping all those low achieving, poor test taking, non Harvards of the Midwest qualifying student-athletes, will continue to find their way to Elmhurst and Naperville. 

[AndOne]

Mysteriously there was a lack of inductees into the 2013 Hampshire Honor Society from "The Harvard of the Midwest," a.k.a. IWU.
After much readin', writin' an' cypherin' North Central had done got 6 inta der as did Augustana.
The other "Bastion of Academics", Wheaton had one.

http://www.footballfoundation.org/News/NewsDetail/tabid/567/Article/53635/2013-nff-hampshire-honor-society-membership-announced.aspx

Mystery solved. It has come to light that the authorities at IWU forgot to submit their list of 27 qualifying student-athletes by the deadline set by the Hampshire Honor Society.     

[AndOne]

When I was on the Alumni Cabinet at EC,  I told prospective students that they couldn't go wrong choosing any of the CCIW schools. They are all very prestigious, accredited,  schools and great places to spend 4 years of your life.  I don't think there are too many kids that would not want to attend any of the schools if given the opportunity to go.

Whether they be red or any shade of blue, in addition to either orange or green, true, true, and true!