FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[TitanPride]

*Can somebody let me know- How or Why would IWU get a home game when they would be a Pool C?  Wouldn't a conference Champion (Pool A) recipient get the home field?

Locations for games are based on the seeds of the teams in the region.  Pool A, B and C are for selection purposes.  The committee makes the bracket following the selection process.

I don't see IWU getting a home game. The only way that could happen is if John Carroll (or Mt Union) is blown out, and I don't see that happening. I think JC (or Mt Union) will be the #3 seed and Witt will be the #4.

Who is your 1 and 2 in this scenario?

[79jaybird]

Thank you for your note Matt.  Glad to see the CCIW is most likely going to get 2 teams in even though this has been a "down" year by CCIW standards.

[Kovo]

On an unrelated topic.....what about this week's football games??? .   Having been on the receiving end of some ugly beat downs from Augustana in the 80's, I am very much looking forward to Saturday's game!   Senior day, a chance to clinch the sole CCIW championship, a top seed in the playoffs and a first round home game should add up to a great day if the Cards take care of business.  Hoping for an injury free, great day for NCC!

Hopefully, a nice send off for our seniors (unlike the ugly pouring rain against NPU that marked my class' swan song).  With a win Saturday, this group will go out with a 27-1 CCIW mark and four rings.  While it isn't quite the 32-0 that some of those Augie teams put up in the 80s, it is still very impressive. 

Congrats and good luck to all of the CCIW seniors----whatever color they are wearing. 

[wally_wabash]

*Can somebody let me know- How or Why would IWU get a home game when they would be a Pool C?  Wouldn't a conference Champion (Pool A) recipient get the home field?

Locations for games are based on the seeds of the teams in the region.  Pool A, B and C are for selection purposes.  The committee makes the bracket following the selection process.

I don't see IWU getting a home game. The only way that could happen is if John Carroll (or Mt Union) is blown out, and I don't see that happening. I think JC (or Mt Union) will be the #3 seed and Witt will be the #4.

It's really kind of impossible to say.  In each of the last two years, the tournament committee has built brackets that are more or less void of regional exclusivity.  Just once in the last two years has a "tournament region" had teams from just two geographic regions (last year...Linfield's area had 6 west teams, 2 north teams).  Every other "tournament region" has been littered with teams from at least three different geographic regions, a couple have had teams from all four geographic regions. 

That is all to say that, if this committee follows the example set by the last two, IWU may be in a part of the bracket that has only a couple of other North region teams and these regional rankings may not be of much use in figuring out whether or not IWU can play at home or not.  I might spend some time tonight playing around with bracketing given the 32 teams that I projected in on the Pool C board just to see what kinds of fun pairings that we can come up that also satisfy the NCAA's requirements for spending as little money as humanly possible. 

As an example of this non-regionality, here are the list of teams that were in a "region" in 2011:
Whitewater, Albion, Franklin, Thomas More, Kean, Christopher Newport, Salisbury, Western New England.  Now, what region is that? 

[New Tradition]

*Can somebody let me know- How or Why would IWU get a home game when they would be a Pool C?  Wouldn't a conference Champion (Pool A) recipient get the home field?

Locations for games are based on the seeds of the teams in the region.  Pool A, B and C are for selection purposes.  The committee makes the bracket following the selection process.

I don't see IWU getting a home game. The only way that could happen is if John Carroll (or Mt Union) is blown out, and I don't see that happening. I think JC (or Mt Union) will be the #3 seed and Witt will be the #4.

It's really kind of impossible to say.  In each of the last two years, the tournament committee has built brackets that are more or less void of regional exclusivity.  Just once in the last two years has a "tournament region" had teams from just two geographic regions (last year...Linfield's area had 6 west teams, 2 north teams).  Every other "tournament region" has been littered with teams from at least three different geographic regions, a couple have had teams from all four geographic regions. 

That is all to say that, if this committee follows the example set by the last two, IWU may be in a part of the bracket that has only a couple of other North region teams and these regional rankings may not be of much use in figuring out whether or not IWU can play at home or not.  I might spend some time tonight playing around with bracketing given the 32 teams that I projected in on the Pool C board just to see what kinds of fun pairings that we can come up that also satisfy the NCAA's requirements for spending as little money as humanly possible. 

As an example of this non-regionality, here are the list of teams that were in a "region" in 2011:
Whitewater, Albion, Franklin, Thomas More, Kean, Christopher Newport, Salisbury, Western New England.  Now, what region is that?

Wenoreasouth, of course!

[321GO]

Seems like Wheaton may be out in many a minds here. Just for the sake of giving some "Prayer" into this scenario.  Is there a chance the Thunder sneak in with a Wabash loss to Depauw, a Albion loss to Hope, and of course a IWU loss just makes it a slight slight possibility. The first two more than the third.  Well, that's the prayer.

[USee]

Wheaton fans don't want IWU to lose to Elmhurst as they would not be ranked ahead of IWU in regional rankings due to the HTH loss. Albion beating Hope (very possible) and Depauw beating Wabash (highly unlikely) would put Wheaton at the table during the selection process and give them a prayer.

Also, to Wally's post. Wheaton was actually a pool C in 2010 and put into the West bracket. They hosted undefeated Coe as a 4 vs 5 matchup and then when #7 Bethel knocked off then #2 seed, they hosted the round 2 game vs Bethel.  IWU could easily be put into a similar bracket, though less likely because of how far south they are. And last year NCC was in the west bracket with Linfield, et al.

[wally_wabash]

I think my larger point was that it isn't really accurate to think about the four sections of the bracket as North, South, East, and West anymore.  I don't think the NCAA has called them this officially since at least 2005, and then in the last two years the way the bracket has been assembled makes those directional distinctions even less appropriate. 

[iwu70]

Is there a scenario out there where IWU gets a home game . . . or plays away vs. anyone near to Minneapolis?  I'm hoping to see an extra football game before flying to the FAR SIDE.

Seems "regions" don't really mean much at this point.

IWU70

[Langhorst_Ghost]

Is there a scenario out there where IWU gets a home game . . . or plays away vs. anyone near to Minneapolis?  I'm hoping to see an extra football game before flying to the FAR SIDE.

Seems "regions" don't really mean much at this point.

IWU70

Jays fans are hoping that EC has something to say on the matter...this Saturday could be the Green Machine's last home game (or away game for that matter). 

[USee]

Is there a scenario out there where IWU gets a home game . . . or plays away vs. anyone near to Minneapolis?  I'm hoping to see an extra football game before flying to the FAR SIDE.

Seems "regions" don't really mean much at this point.

IWU70

They could definitely could get a home game as a 4 seed. Means 2 of the others in the vicinity would need to be shipped out with only 1 being shipped in (i.e. Mount and JCU to east, UWW to north). They could also end up playing at Bethel in round 2 if sent into a Bethel Bracket (with UWW being #1 in their own bracket). Lots of possibles. Look at the Pool C thread under General Football board to learn much more from the gurus.

[formerd3db]

Usee:

In regards to your post including "Albion beating Hope (very possible)", I doubt perhaps you would have said that earlier in the season after seeing your Wheaton give the shellshacking of Albion.   With Hope playing as they were in those first 3 early games (despite the teams perhaps not being in the top tier of opponents), I believe it would have been unlikely that Albion would have beaten Hope had they played early.

However, as you rightly point out, there certainly is a good possibility that Albion could beat Hope tomorrow, although I obviously hope not (no pun intended) and I think there is just as good a possibility that my Hope will prevail.  All that said, this rivalry game is always a "crap shoot" and one really never knows what will happen and how it will turn out.  Not counting those years in the mid-1990's during Albion's tremendous smashing run of MIAA titles, including their Stagg Bowl National Championship win in 1994, we've all been surprised as to what "explodes or implodes"   in these Albion/Hope games each year and particularly when it is for the MIAA championship as it is this year.  It's been a long time. 

As to the Wabash/DePauw Monon Bell game, I think you are right that it is highly unlikely that Wabash will lose, but if they do, Coach Lynch and company will have pulled perhaps one of the greatest upsets in the history of that historic rivalry series.  That would be a crazy happening - can you say Appalachian State??

[USee]

Usee:

In regards to your post including "Albion beating Hope (very possible)", I doubt perhaps you would have said that earlier in the season after seeing your Wheaton give the shellshacking of Albion.  With Hope playing as they were in those first 3 early games (despite the teams perhaps not being in the top tier of opponents), I believe it would have been unlikely that Albion would have beaten Hope had they played early.

However, as you rightly point out, there certainly is a good possibility that Albion could beat Hope tomorrow, although I obviously hope not (no pun intended) and I think there is just as good a possibility that my Hope will prevail.  All that said, this rivalry game is always a "crap shoot" and one really never knows what will happen and how it will turn out.  Not counting those years in the mid-1990's during Albion's tremendous smashing run of MIAA titles, including their Stagg Bowl National Championship win in 1994, we've all been surprised as to what "explodes or implodes"   in these Albion/Hope games each year and particularly when it is for the MIAA championship as it is this year.  It's been a long time. 

As to the Wabash/DePauw Monon Bell game, I think you are right that it is highly unlikely that Wabash will lose, but if they do, Coach Lynch and company will have pulled perhaps one of the greatest upsets in the history of that historic rivalry series.  That would be a crazy happening - can you say Appalachian State??

D3db,

I think Hope should certainly be favored, but the Wheaton/Albion score is misleading. Albion played with their #2 or #3 QB because their starter, Dominic Bona, did not play and Heiserman/Hamilton were dreadful. They are much better on offense than they showed. I think Hope is a 17 pt favorite in this game though.

[formerd3db]

Usee:

In regards to your post including "Albion beating Hope (very possible)", I doubt perhaps you would have said that earlier in the season after seeing your Wheaton give the shellshacking of Albion.  With Hope playing as they were in those first 3 early games (despite the teams perhaps not being in the top tier of opponents), I believe it would have been unlikely that Albion would have beaten Hope had they played early.

However, as you rightly point out, there certainly is a good possibility that Albion could beat Hope tomorrow, although I obviously hope not (no pun intended) and I think there is just as good a possibility that my Hope will prevail.  All that said, this rivalry game is always a "crap shoot" and one really never knows what will happen and how it will turn out.  Not counting those years in the mid-1990's during Albion's tremendous smashing run of MIAA titles, including their Stagg Bowl National Championship win in 1994, we've all been surprised as to what "explodes or implodes"   in these Albion/Hope games each year and particularly when it is for the MIAA championship as it is this year.  It's been a long time. 

As to the Wabash/DePauw Monon Bell game, I think you are right that it is highly unlikely that Wabash will lose, but if they do, Coach Lynch and company will have pulled perhaps one of the greatest upsets in the history of that historic rivalry series.  That would be a crazy happening - can you say Appalachian State??

D3db,

I think Hope should certainly be favored, but the Wheaton/Albion score is misleading. Albion played with their #2 or #3 QB because their starter, Dominic Bona, did not play and Heiserman/Hamilton were dreadful. They are much better on offense than they showed. I think Hope is a 17 pt favorite in this game though.

Oh, I know that about Albion's QB situation for that game back then, which was another reason why I made the remark! Seriously, though, while Hope is favored, and I have faith in our team, nonetheless, I am still nervous about this one for all the usual "historic" reasons I mentioned!

[321GO]

Wheaton fans don't want IWU to lose to Elmhurst as they would not be ranked ahead of IWU in regional rankings due to the HTH loss. Albion beating Hope (very possible) and Depauw beating Wabash (highly unlikely) would put Wheaton at the table during the selection process and give them a prayer.

Also, to Wally's post. Wheaton was actually a pool C in 2010 and put into the West bracket. They hosted undefeated Coe as a 4 vs 5 matchup and then when #7 Bethel knocked off then #2 seed, they hosted the round 2 game vs Bethel.  IWU could easily be put into a similar bracket, though less likely because of how far south they are. And last year NCC was in the west bracket with Linfield, et al.

Thank you.
Not sure what tomorrow will bring, but the chance for the Thunder to sneak in seems a real possibility. After reading all the comments on the impact games/ scenarios, I'm cheering for Hope, Depauw, and maybe EC? Not sure how IWU loss is not good for WC?
Is there any other games which gives favor to Wheaton getting the nod from the selection committee?