FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

Picked to finish in a three-way tie for last ... but Eau Claire does look better this year now that they're not relying so heavily on Kyle Sweeney.

[Gregory Sager]

Augustana 34, Loras 17
Chicago 29, Elmhurst 17
Simpson 13, Illinois Wesleyan 3
North Central 28, UW-Platteville 7
Washington (MO) 24, North Park 19
Wheaton 17, UW-Eau Claire 0

The CCIW is now 10-11 on the season.

The three remaining non-con games, all of which will be played next Saturday:

Lakeland (0-2) @ Carthage (0-2)
Aurora (0-2) @ Millikin (1-1)
North Central (2-0) @ UW-Stevens Point (2-0)

[Kovo]

Augustana 34, Loras 17
Chicago 29, Elmhurst 17
Simpson 13, Illinois Wesleyan 3
North Central 28, UW-Platteville 7
Washington (MO) 24, North Park 19
Wheaton 17, UW-Eau Claire 0

The CCIW is now 10-11 on the season.

The three remaining non-con games, all of which will be played next Saturday:

Lakeland (0-2) @ Carthage (0-2)
Aurora (0-2) @ Millikin (1-1)
North Central (2-0) @ UW-Stevens Point (2-0)

NC and the other team in Dupage are a combined 5-0.  So while I may not have attended IWU, I can figure out the rest of the league is 5-11. Not too good.  Especially, with an MIAA challenge mixed in.

[Stagg Again!!]

So, I'm trying to figure out if a 21 point win over a previously undefeated and #7 ranked UW Platteville team from the WIAC is more impressive than a 30 point over a 1-1 and unranked Rowan team from the NJAC.  I suppose time will tell, but I would have thought that the Cardinals would have picked up more votes on or passed Wesley.  I know it is very early and a lot will happen, but if Rowan wins out and UWP only loses to UWW, this could mean the difference between a 1 seed and a 2 seed.  Any thoughts?  The board has been a bit quiet so I thought I'd throw out a bit of fodder. 

As a side bar, The Voice from the WIAC board has received news that his cancer has returned.  As many of you know, he is the long time editor of warhawkfootball.com.  If you have a moment, please reach out to him with your support and possibly a prayer (if you are so inclined).

[USee]

So, I'm trying to figure out if a 21 point win over a previously undefeated and #7 ranked UW Platteville team from the WIAC is more impressive than a 30 point over a 1-1 and unranked Rowan team from the NJAC.  I suppose time will tell, but I would have thought that the Cardinals would have picked up more votes on or passed Wesley.  I know it is very early and a lot will happen, but if Rowan wins out and UWP only loses to UWW, this could mean the difference between a 1 seed and a 2 seed.  Any thoughts?  The board has been a bit quiet so I thought I'd throw out a bit of fodder. 

As a side bar, The Voice from the WIAC board has received news that his cancer has returned.  As many of you know, he is the long time editor of warhawkfootball.com.  If you have a moment, please reach out to him with your support and possibly a prayer (if you are so inclined).

I don't think the #7 ranking for UWP was warranted. They struggled in beating an unranked Dubuque team and then gave up 7.6 yds a carry to NCC. I don't think UWP should even be a top 25 team so at a minimum the wins for Wesley and NCC were equal in my view. I wouldn't put too much stock in it at this point in the season. NCC plays another decent WIAC school this week on the road so another opportunity to make a statement. There is a lot of football to be played and NCC's tilt with Wheaton and IWU at the end of October will be the ulimtate key.

[Mr. Ypsi]

So, I'm trying to figure out if a 21 point win over a previously undefeated and #7 ranked UW Platteville team from the WIAC is more impressive than a 30 point over a 1-1 and unranked Rowan team from the NJAC.  I suppose time will tell, but I would have thought that the Cardinals would have picked up more votes on or passed Wesley.  I know it is very early and a lot will happen, but if Rowan wins out and UWP only loses to UWW, this could mean the difference between a 1 seed and a 2 seed.  Any thoughts?  The board has been a bit quiet so I thought I'd throw out a bit of fodder. 

As a side bar, The Voice from the WIAC board has received news that his cancer has returned.  As many of you know, he is the long time editor of warhawkfootball.com.  If you have a moment, please reach out to him with your support and possibly a prayer (if you are so inclined).

I don't think the #7 ranking for UWP was warranted. They struggled in beating an unranked Dubuque team and then gave up 7.6 yds a carry to NCC. I don't think UWP should even be a top 25 team so at a minimum the wins for Wesley and NCC were equal in my view. I wouldn't put too much stock in it at this point in the season. NCC plays another decent WIAC school this week on the road so another opportunity to make a statement. There is a lot of football to be played and NCC's tilt with Wheaton and IWU at the end of October will be the ulimtate key.

Partially agree on UWP. I previously had them #9 in the fan poll (dropped them to #13).  Dubuque is unranked, but they are solid (almost certainly top 50).  I'd rank Dubuque and Rowan as roughly equal.  (For the record, I already had NCC #4 and Wesley #5.)

I was quite shocked that IWU fell from #21 and 133 points to ZERO points.  Simpson is likely the #2 IIAC team and (like Dubuque and Rowan) almost certainly a top 50 team.  Simpson won decisively, but it's not like it was a monkey-stomp.  I wasn't surprised they fell out of the Top 25, but ZERO points??!!

Fortunately (except for selection in the first place, if you are not Pool A, and who has home field), we have playoffs to decide it all ON the field.

[USee]

Ypsi,

I am sorry but you will never convince me a top 20 team can give up 303 yds rushing. St Norbert couldn't stop the run vs NCC and gave up 214 yds rushing. Where do you have them ranked, 8th? No chance.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ypsi,

I am sorry but you will never convince me a top 20 team can give up 303 yds rushing. St Norbert couldn't stop the run vs NCC and gave up 214 yds rushing. Where do you have them ranked, 8th? No chance.

UMU gave up 201 yards rushing in last year's Stagg - would you have dropped them to 19th?

Platteville got steam-rolled by (IMO) the 4th best team in the country - that can happen and is not a total disgrace.

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I currently think UWP is the 13th best team in the country.

[USee]

Ypsi,

I am sorry but you will never convince me a top 20 team can give up 303 yds rushing. St Norbert couldn't stop the run vs NCC and gave up 214 yds rushing. Where do you have them ranked, 8th? No chance.

UMU gave up 201 yards rushing in last year's Stagg - would you have dropped them to 19th?

Platteville got steam-rolled by (IMO) the 4th best team in the country - that can happen and is not a total disgrace.

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I currently think UWP is the 13th best team in the country.

Ypsi,

You were a stats professor right? You should understand the difference betweek 41 carries for 201 yds (UWW v UMU) and 40 carries for 303 yds (NCC v UWP). The difference is 4.9 yds per carry vs 7.6 yds per carry. I won't mention the obvious other differences.

I don't think getting beat by the 5th best team in the country by 21 pts is bad at all. I think giving up 7.6 yds per carry is atrocious. What I can guarantee you is that if Platteville gives up over 7 yds per carry going forward they won't win another game. You can't win football games giving up that kind of real estate.Now, UWP maybe played the game with 8 players or something absurd like that, but I would venture to guess they are over rated based on what I saw. Those are not cracks in the plaster, those are holes below the water line.

[ncc_fan]

I didn't hear any talk about "steamrolling" UWP from NCC fans or players after the game.  Platteville is a very good team.  NCC's offense had trouble putting together drives after the initial scoring flurry, and Platteville's offense was able to move the ball on NCC's defense.  IMO there were two key stats:  red zone efficiency and turnovers.  Platteville visited the red zone 5 times but scored only once (vs. 2-2 for NCC, both in the 1st quarter), and lost the turnover battle 4-1.  One of those 4 turnovers - the premature snap/fumble - occurred on the first play of the 4th quarter at the 10 yard line, on the 15th play of an 80-yard Platteville drive, with the score 21-7.  Had the UWP center not snapped the ball early it's likely that the score would soon have been 21-14, with nearly the entire 4th quarter yet to be played and all the momentum on Platteville's side. 

[Kovo]

Ypsi,

I am sorry but you will never convince me a top 20 team can give up 303 yds rushing. St Norbert couldn't stop the run vs NCC and gave up 214 yds rushing. Where do you have them ranked, 8th? No chance.

UMU gave up 201 yards rushing in last year's Stagg - would you have dropped them to 19th?

Platteville got steam-rolled by (IMO) the 4th best team in the country - that can happen and is not a total disgrace.

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I currently think UWP is the 13th best team in the country.

Ypsi,

You were a stats professor right? You should understand the difference betweek 41 carries for 201 yds (UWW v UMU) and 40 carries for 303 yds (NCC v UWP). The difference is 4.9 yds per carry vs 7.6 yds per carry. I won't mention the obvious other differences.

I don't think getting beat by the 5th best team in the country by 21 pts is bad at all. I think giving up 7.6 yds per carry is atrocious. What I can guarantee you is that if Platteville gives up over 7 yds per carry going forward they won't win another game. You can't win football games giving up that kind of real estate.Now, UWP maybe played the game with 8 players or something absurd like that, but I would venture to guess they are over rated based on what I saw. Those are not cracks in the plaster, those are holes below the water line.

Wow!  We are talking stats on a Monday morning!  Let me ask this question then.  Considering that there was a 62 yard run late in the game to really inflate the yards per carry should we throw it out as an outlier?  There was also a 29 yard run in the game.  So you have two carries for 91 yards (i.e. 45.5 yards a carry) which brings us to 7.6 for the game.  That allows us to conclude that UW-P is NOT a top 25 team??!!  Well ok.  But if you throw out those two runs aren't you at 5.5 a carry or so?  And is 5.5 so different that 4.9?   No wonder I didn't get an A in stats----I guess that I really couldn't grasp what they mean  (no matter how much you tried to tutor me Stagg!!).

[Kovo]

Ypsi,

I am sorry but you will never convince me a top 20 team can give up 303 yds rushing. St Norbert couldn't stop the run vs NCC and gave up 214 yds rushing. Where do you have them ranked, 8th? No chance.

UMU gave up 201 yards rushing in last year's Stagg - would you have dropped them to 19th?

Platteville got steam-rolled by (IMO) the 4th best team in the country - that can happen and is not a total disgrace.

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I currently think UWP is the 13th best team in the country.

Ypsi,

You were a stats professor right? You should understand the difference betweek 41 carries for 201 yds (UWW v UMU) and 40 carries for 303 yds (NCC v UWP). The difference is 4.9 yds per carry vs 7.6 yds per carry. I won't mention the obvious other differences.

I don't think getting beat by the 5th best team in the country by 21 pts is bad at all. I think giving up 7.6 yds per carry is atrocious. What I can guarantee you is that if Platteville gives up over 7 yds per carry going forward they won't win another game. You can't win football games giving up that kind of real estate.Now, UWP maybe played the game with 8 players or something absurd like that, but I would venture to guess they are over rated based on what I saw. Those are not cracks in the plaster, those are holes below the water line.

Wow!  We are talking stats on a Monday morning!  Let me ask this question then.  Considering that there was a 62 yard run late in the game to really inflate the yards per carry should we throw it out as an outlier?  There was also a 29 yard run in the game.  So you have two carries for 91 yards (i.e. 45.5 yards a carry) which brings us to 7.6 for the game.  That allows us to conclude that UW-P is NOT a top 25 team??!!  Well ok.  But if you throw out those two runs aren't you at 5.5 a carry or so?  And is 5.5 so different that 4.9?   No wonder I didn't get an A in stats----I guess that I really couldn't grasp what they mean  (no matter how much you tried to tutor me Stagg!!).

And speaking of 62 yard runs---Congrats to Ryan Kent who moved up to #6 on the NCC All Time Career Rushing List.  Up next for him is Jordan Tassio who is 144 yards away.

[USee]

Unfortunately it doesn't really work to cherry pick plays and create your own version of stats. That's a slippery slope that doesn't seem appropriate to go down. Compare the numbers to any other games you want. Its bad. And the 62 yd run wasn't some back up in garbage time. It was Ryan Kent. In addition, there were only 2 runs over 25 yds in the game. Look at the play by play in the first half, almost every run was for 10-12 yds.

Don't worry Kovo, it doesn't diminish NCC's standing to do what they were supposed to do. I am just saying UWP is not who we thought they were. I may be proven wrong if they find a way to stop the run going forward but I would guess UWW isn't going to ignore the NCC tape.

[02 Warhawk]

NCC dismantled UWP today, they rushed for 303 yds on the ground averaging 7.6 yds per carry. While I know the NCC ground attack is formidable, I have a hard time believing UWP is a top 25 team, let alone a top 10 team, giving up 7.6 yds per carry.

That's a bit extreme. Many teams struggle against a top 5 DIII power on the road. I agree with Ypsi on this one. I'm not going to base my poll off of how many rushing yards a team gave up, and I'm glad the voters on the D3football.com poll didn't do that as well.

[robertgoulet]

NCC dismantled UWP today, they rushed for 303 yds on the ground averaging 7.6 yds per carry. While I know the NCC ground attack is formidable, I have a hard time believing UWP is a top 25 team, let alone a top 10 team, giving up 7.6 yds per carry.

That's a bit extreme. Many teams struggle against a top 5 DIII power on the road. I agree with Ypsi on this one. I'm not going to base my poll off of how many rushing yards a team gave up, and I'm glad the voters on the D3football.com poll didn't do that as well.

Gonna have to agree w/ Warhawk (and seemingly everyone else other than USee) on this one.

USee, I'm curious, did you watch any of the game or are you just going off of stats?