FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[AndOne]

Izzy-

I didn't see the first 10 minutes or so of the game. What you said about the mixup between the two number 7s makes sense for sure.

[USee]

Thunder definitely have some significant injuries. Don't know the full extent but at least a couple of them are going to be extended time on the shelf. Hopeful some of these guys will be back in 2 weeks at NPU.

[letsplay2]

Swider's comments after Saturday night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldg6imNrvpY

He talks about their general injury situation.  Is Peltz injured?  I only caught parts of the game at the airport on my phone, but I noticed Bowers took over permanently before the game was out of hand and after Peltz went down on a QB keeper.

I was only passively paying attention to the game at that point, but I thought I remembered seeing Peltz go out after a pass in which it looked like he hit a helmet on his follow through.  Considering that's probably either a hand, elbow or shoulder, that's a bit concerning.  I might be miss-remembering but either way, it's hopefully just a short-term injury and the bye week will allow him to come back without missing any time.

Bowers has proven he can be a dangerous runner and the TD he threw against UWEC was a very impressive throw.  Wheaton's best shot at winning comes with Peltz at the helm, but there doesn't seem to be much of a drop off with Bowers in there.   

[New Tradition]

Also, and IDK if it's right or note, the game statistics list Warden as one of the Cards' starting SAFETIES! Maybe he is really a DB.
I think trying to make him a THREE position player is doing him a disservice. You can't be a QB, a receiver, and a DB all at the same time no matter how good an athlete you are. There just isn't that much diverse athleticism in one body. Maybe pick one position and let him specialize? The NCC roster has 100 or so players. Someone can man the other spots. Or at least they should be able to!

Reminds me of this cartoon from 1946:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAzD83dgkQg

[matblake]

Swider's comments after Saturday night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldg6imNrvpY

Wow, that's the first time that I can remember Swider publicly talking about the goal of getting to Salem.  Very realistic in his comments.

The injuries are concerning.  We've seen recently how injuries can change the entire season of a team.

[shepherd]

Swider's comments after Saturday night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldg6imNrvpY

Wow, that's the first time that I can remember Swider publicly talking about the goal of getting to Salem.  Very realistic in his comments.

The injuries are concerning.  We've seen recently how injuries can change the entire season of a team.

Concerning injuries.
We all know skill players have worn smaller equipment for years but today in D3 vs other divisions........
Many D3 football skill players are not wearing legal fitting equipment.
Take knee pads that are half the pocket size and don't touch any part of the knee including the pants. 
Then try and cover it up with the same color compression pants or sox.
The NFL players don't go that far and probably be thrown off the field for it if they did.
You get a knee injury playing with pads that don't touch the knee whatsoever and you have yourself to blame.
Smaller pads for skill players is ok but many in D3 today are really out there with little to no pads on at all for the purpose intended then wonder why they got injured.
I live with 24/7 chronic pain and it sucks and some of those injuries may come back to haunt them in their old age.

[Gregory Sager]

As far as the QB "rotation," NCC ran 45 times and passed only 22 times. Of the 22 passes, Warden threw only 8, completing only 3 for 22 yards. One was a 7 yard TD. Warden also caught 3 of Hunniford's 9 (of 14) completed passes. He ran 11 times for a net of 21 yards, an average of 1.9 YPR.
If Warden's production from the QB slot is only going to be 3 pass completions for 22 yards, and  1.9 average rush for a total of only 21 yards, perhaps the answer is to do away with the "rotation." It would seem a more passing orientated QB could better than 3 for 8 for 22 yards, and one of the Cardinals "regular" RBs could do a little better than averaging 1.9 per rush for a total of 21 yards.
With his athletic ability, maybe make Warden a full time receiver?

Mark, on at least a couple of occasions in this room you've touted the fact that Warden had the highest completion percentage of any QB in D3 last season. In fact, you said it just last week:

While Warden might be in on what appears to be a running situation, he obviously possesses an above average ability to throw the ball. For substantiating evidence of such, you need look no further than defense exhibit #1, his distinction of leading the nation in passing efficiency last year.

And now he's not "passing orientated" enough for you?

[Just the stats]

Final from Platteville - North Central blows a 21-point lead and loses 35-28 in OT.

NCC's Oshayne Brown was knocked out of the game, i believe in the 3rd quarter, after piling up 133 yards rushing. However, the Cardinals still had a 28-7 lead with 14 minutes left. Credit to UWP for never quitting, but where was the NCC defense during the 4th quarter?? A very surprising finish to say the least. 

It fell apart on two costly penalties that led to touchdowns in the 4th Qtr.  The first was on 3rd and thirty, we flush the qb out and for some insane reason a defensive player hits the qb when he was wayyyy out of bounds.  It wasn't even close to being a bang bang hit either.  It would have been 4th and 20 at that point and they were going to punt.  They go on to score on that drive.

The second one was a 4th and 4-5 yds to go, we stop them, but get called for a late hit on qb again.  They have new life and score on this drive as well.

Discipline went out the door in the 4th Qtr in my opinion.

I didn't see the game, but I am curious how NCC fans thought the QB rotation worked on Saturday.  I saw a graphic on Sportscenter about how Ohio State's two quarterbacks have had a dramatic and progressive decline in QBR during this season as they have rotated compared to last year when the each starter separately went the full game.

With regard to the penalties discussed by NCC26, the nature of those penalties is not something that I think would normally be expected from a Thorne coached team.
Perhaps the offenders might learn by watching the next game from the sidelines instead of participating?

As far as the QB "rotation," NCC ran 45 times and passed only 22 times. Of the 22 passes, Warden threw only 8, completing only 3 for 22 yards. One was a 7 yard TD. Warden also caught 3 of Hunniford's 9 (of 14) completed passes. He ran 11 times for a net of 21 yards, an average of 1.9 YPR.
If Warden's production from the QB slot is only going to be 3 pass completions for 22 yards, and  1.9 average rush for a total of only 21 yards, perhaps the answer is to do away with the "rotation." It would seem a more passing orientated QB could better than 3 for 8 for 22 yards, and one of the Cardinals "regular" RBs could do a little better than averaging 1.9 per rush for a total of 21 yards.
With his athletic ability, maybe make Warden a full time receiver?

* Also, and IDK if it's right or note, the game statistics list Warden as one of the Cards' starting SAFETIES! Maybe he is really a DB.
I think trying to make him a THREE position player is doing him a disservice. You can't be a QB, a receiver, and a DB all at the same time no matter how good an athlete you are. There just isn't that much diverse athleticism in one body. Maybe pick one position and let him specialize? The NCC roster has 100 or so players. Someone can man the other spots. Or at least they should be able to!

The run-pass ratio is skewed a little bit because in college football, sacks count as rushes, and NCC gave up 5. Also, sometimes the pressure forced the QBs out of the pocket and changed the passes into runs. So it might swing about 8 attempts each way.

[emma17]

In watching the plays of the week, I saw a NCC punt coverage guy in perfect position to make the tackle, suddenly pull up lame with what looks like a hamstring injury. 
A lot of things had to go wrong, and did, for NCC to lose that game.

[USee]

In watching the plays of the week, I saw a NCC punt coverage guy in perfect position to make the tackle, suddenly pull up lame with what looks like a hamstring injury. 
A lot of things had to go wrong, and did, for NCC to lose that game.

Funny I saw the exact same thing. #31, whom I believe is LB Chase Taphorn, was the contain man on the PR and was in perfect position. about 10 yds from the return man he pulls up like he popped his hamstring and the punt coverage has no outside contain, allowing the returner to get to the sideline. #88 was also pinned inside, which I think was a mistake on his part. That was the key play in that game in my view. Losing Oshayne Brown was also big as the speed at RB changes dramatically when you take him off the field.

Any word on what happened to either of these guys?

[emma17]

In watching the plays of the week, I saw a NCC punt coverage guy in perfect position to make the tackle, suddenly pull up lame with what looks like a hamstring injury. 
A lot of things had to go wrong, and did, for NCC to lose that game.

Funny I saw the exact same thing. #31, whom I believe is LB Chase Taphorn, was the contain man on the PR and was in perfect position. about 10 yds from the return man he pulls up like he popped his hamstring and the punt coverage has no outside contain, allowing the returner to get to the sideline. #88 was also pinned inside, which I think was a mistake on his part. That was the key play in that game in my view. Losing Oshayne Brown was also big as the speed at RB changes dramatically when you take him off the field.

Any word on what happened to either of these guys?

I sure hope Brown is back. 
I'd love to pick NCC to win over Wesley, I would have done so every year going back to 2010.  However, with a freshman QB and an injured Brown, this matchup may be one year early.   

[wesleydad]

Looking forward to the game this weekend.  Is anyone going to be there?  I would like to meet some of you guys before the game if possible.  We will be leaving Midway about 9 which puts us in Naperville before 10.  My dad and I will need to get some food, several nice restaurants within walking distance look good.  After that we plan on walking aroung the campus, tailgating area to check things out.  Let me know if you are going to be there.  I will be easy to find, wearing a white #13 Wesley jersey. 

Thoughts on the game from a NCC perspective?

[AndOne]

As far as the QB "rotation," NCC ran 45 times and passed only 22 times. Of the 22 passes, Warden threw only 8, completing only 3 for 22 yards. One was a 7 yard TD. Warden also caught 3 of Hunniford's 9 (of 14) completed passes. He ran 11 times for a net of 21 yards, an average of 1.9 YPR.
If Warden's production from the QB slot is only going to be 3 pass completions for 22 yards, and  1.9 average rush for a total of only 21 yards, perhaps the answer is to do away with the "rotation." It would seem a more passing orientated QB could better than 3 for 8 for 22 yards, and one of the Cardinals "regular" RBs could do a little better than averaging 1.9 per rush for a total of 21 yards.
With his athletic ability, maybe make Warden a full time receiver?

Mark, on at least a couple of occasions in this room you've touted the fact that Warden had the highest completion percentage of any QB in D3 last season. In fact, you said it just last week:

While Warden might be in on what appears to be a running situation, he obviously possesses an above average ability to throw the ball. For substantiating evidence of such, you need look no further than defense exhibit #1, his distinction of leading the nation in passing efficiency last year.

And now he's not "passing orientated" enough for you?

Yes, I touted his passing efficiency, just as you would tout a major statistical accomplishment by any member of any athletic team at your beloved alma mater. However, I believe a major component of said achievement was attained via a preponderance of relatively "short" passes. And, much as chicks dig the long ball, I dig the bomb, which I believe Mr. Hunniford may be more programmed to deliver.
Aside from my personal preferences, the only thing that really matters is what the NCC coaches think. A review of the statistics through the first 2 games reveals Hunniford has thrown 31 passes and completed 22 for 274 yards. Warden's numbers are 3 of 10 for 22 yards.
Accordingly, to answer the $64,000 question, between the 2 options employed so far this season for NCC, Mr. Warden is not, as you say, "passing orientated" enough for me compared to an option that was not even available to the Cardinals last season. And, at least so far, the NCC coaching staff appears to have seconded this opinion by calling 31 passing plays for Hunniford compared to 10 for Warden. I rest my case. 

[AndOne]

NCC's 2-Deep for Saturday's game shows Oshayne Brown as the Cardinals starting RB. I hope this is not only accurate, but reflects that Brown has made a full recovery following last week's injury which saw him have to leave the game in the 3rd quarter, and not return,  after amassing 133 yards.

Saturday's game between North Central and Wesley is being deemed The Meat Packers Ball. NCC's offensive line (C, RG, LG, RT, LT, & TE)  totals 1,655 pounds of beef, while Wesley's O line comes in at a whopping total of 1,675 pounds!
Kaboom!!!

[CardinalAlum]

Looking forward to the game this weekend.  Is anyone going to be there?  I would like to meet some of you guys before the game if possible.  We will be leaving Midway about 9 which puts us in Naperville before 10.  My dad and I will need to get some food, several nice restaurants within walking distance look good.  After that we plan on walking aroung the campus, tailgating area to check things out.  Let me know if you are going to be there.  I will be easy to find, wearing a white #13 Wesley jersey. 

Thoughts on the game from a NCC perspective?

WD,

I wish I was going to make this one as I believe it will be a great game.   My own kids' sports preventing that this time.   Mingle around the tailgate area in the lower bowl in front of the fieldhouse.  Lot's of great people.   After the game, "The Lantern" is a popular place to grab a burger and a beer.  It is one block West of the stadium.   I hope you enjoy the NCC game day experience.  As far as the game, I would hope the Cardinals are able to bounce back from a game that they should've won.   If Brown is able to play, it gives us a much better chance as he is a breakaway threat.  The freshmen QB has poise but still learning.   Our WR's are big and strong and hopefully can find some mismatches there.  Defensively, we are playing a lot of younger players.  Those kids have to grow up in a hurry!

CA