FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[robertgoulet]

Halftime in Blo No.

NCC 24
IWU 0

[Augie6]

Augie beats Carroll in their first game back in the CCIW, 40-14.  20-14 game at half, but one of the Carroll scores was set up by an Augie fumble inside their 10 yard line.  Augie dominated the 2nd half, and outgained Carroll for the game, 470 yards to 221. 

[Titan Q]

NCC 34
IWU 7

I think I basically post the same thing every season after IWU faces NCC...

The Cardinals are just too big, strong, and talented for the Titans.  NCC is just simply in another tier of D3 football than IWU is -- that was ugly.

[USee]

Wheaton 19
Carthage 14

Wheaton 56 plays 253 yards, 25m TOP, 27 rush 34 yds; 14-29-1 219 passing
Carthage 85 plays 272 yds, 35m TOP, 43 rush 97 yds; 18-42-0 passing 172 yds

A great game to watch in Kenosha. I can't emphasize enough how impressed I am with Carthage. They have  a lot of talent in the form of size, skill and speed. They are a good quarterback away from being a top 15 team in my opinion. Carthage has a philosophy and they stick to it for 4 quarters. They are going to run the ball right at you on offense, try to beat you down the field on play action, and on defense they are going to play man to man and blitz. They don't change. The only thing better than Carthage's defense today was Wheaton's defense. They had 43 running plays right at them and gave up 97 yards. That was a very physical CCIW game. Freshman Phillip Nichols was the difference maker in this one. Wheaton had 435 total yards (offense and return yards) and Nichols accounted for 235 of them (55%). He had 2 long receptions that led to Wheaton TD's and two long punt returns, the first one set up a TD and the second one was a 70 yd return for a TD.

The Thunder played without Sola Olateju and they needed him. Stone Watson put the ball on ground twice and the Wheaton backs couldn't get going as Carthage's man to man defense kept 7-8 guys at the LOS almost every play. I mentioned before that Wheaton's weakness on offense was inexperience at WR and Carthage turned this game into a showcase for that weakness. The Carthage defensive backs were more physical than the Wheaton WR's and Bowers and Peltz were a combined 4-18 in the first half and many of those were wrong formations, drops, or miscommunication on routes by the Wheaton WR's. In the second half Wheaton went with Bowers and he made just enough plays to win the game especially at the end when Wheaton ran the clock from 6:42 down to 12 seconds before giving it back to the Redmen. Zack Lindquist came up huge on 3 different 3rd downs on that drive. Chase Greenlee sacked Olles as the clock expired to seal the deal for the Thunder.

Carthage certainly opened my eyes today and they are going to be very tough to beat at home if they stay healthy. That's going to be a high quality win for the Thunder as this season unfolds I believe.

[AndOne]

It was interesting to note that during the National Anthem preceding last night's IWU/NCC game, Wesleyan players #6 Quincy Butler and #91 Jamal Jackson choose to take a knee rather than stand with the rest of the team.

Perhaps it is their way to protest the many societal ills that have combined to condemn them to attend Illinois Wesleyan, a university that is highly regarded from both an academic and athletic standpoint, and which costs the measly sum of $52,316 per year to attend. 

If not, maybe its just that Colin Kaepernick is their idol and role model. 

In any event, is a small college football game the proper forum in which to demonstrate their perceived grevances?

[kiko]

It was interesting to note that during the National Anthem preceding last night's IWU/NCC game, Wesleyan players #6 Quincy Butler and #91 Jamal Jackson choose to take a knee rather than stand with the rest of the team.

Perhaps it is their way to protest the many societal ills that have combined to condemn them to attend Illinois Wesleyan, a university that is highly regarded from both an academic and athletic standpoint, and which costs the measly sum of $52,316 per year to attend. 

If not, maybe its just that Colin Kaepernick is their idol and role model. 

In any event, is a small college football game the proper forum in which to demonstrate their perceived grevances?

Oy.  You're really going to tweak the Titans for this?  And link it to the cost of attending the school, which is as uncorrelated to this topic as is the current temperature in Newfoundland?  And miss the irony that you are questioning the choice of venue on a forum that is microscopic in scale and similarly disconnected from social activism?

I don't particularly care if you want to embarrass yourself by going down this path, but try not to embarrass your alma mater in the process.

[robertgoulet]

It was interesting to note that during the National Anthem preceding last night's IWU/NCC game, Wesleyan players #6 Quincy Butler and #91 Jamal Jackson choose to take a knee rather than stand with the rest of the team.

Perhaps it is their way to protest the many societal ills that have combined to condemn them to attend Illinois Wesleyan, a university that is highly regarded from both an academic and athletic standpoint, and which costs the measly sum of $52,316 per year to attend. 

If not, maybe its just that Colin Kaepernick is their idol and role model. 

In any event, is a small college football game the proper forum in which to demonstrate their perceived grevances?

Oy.  You're really going to tweak the Titans for this?  And link it to the cost of attending the school, which is as uncorrelated to this topic as is the current temperature in Newfoundland?  And miss the irony that you are questioning the choice of venue on a forum that is microscopic in scale and similarly disconnected from social activism?

I don't particularly care if you want to embarrass yourself by going down this path, but try not to embarrass your alma mater in the process.

Agreed 100%, Kiko.

[AndOne]

Kiko, (and Robert)

Brother, did you miss the boat on this one.
When I say IWU is highly regarded from both an academic and athletic standpoint do you really think I am "tweaking" the school? Quite the contrary!
What I am "tweaking," as you say, is the actions of the individuals involved, NOT anything about IWU, which certainly could not have prevented the display. IWU, the school, did nothing wrong.

Furthermore, in pointing out the fact that IWU costs $52,316, what I am saying is that a kid who both individually and, I would think from a family standpoint, has benefited from the American way of life to the point of being able to afford to attend this expensive of a school, needs to think twice about condemning the nation totally by disrespecting the flag which is the symbol of the nation as a whole.

Certainly, there are several issues that exist today that disenfranchise many of the segments of society. Issues that not only those affected segments, but many others among us also find disturbing. However, when you disrespect the flag by not standing during the National Anthem, what you are saying is that you disagree with everything about America because, as I said, the flag is a symbol of the nation as a whole.

You want to protest, fine. Stand, but don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. Write a letter to the newspaper or the school paper. Appear at a forum discussion on the subject you're upset about. But remember, you have many benefits from living in the United States so don't disrespect the nation entirely by kneeling during the National Anthem.

That's all. Absolutely nothing about IWU itself. Not sure where you got that. 
And, "your alma mater?"

[Pat Coleman]

You want to protest, fine. Stand, but don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. Write a letter to the newspaper or the school paper. Appear at a forum discussion on the subject you're upset about. But remember, you have many benefits from living in the United States so don't disrespect the nation entirely by kneeling during the National Anthem.

Including the right to peaceful protest in the manner of your choosing that doesn't infringe upon the rights of others, so ...

[Titan Q]

Furthermore, in pointing out the fact that IWU costs $52,316, what I am saying is that a kid who both individually and, I would think from a family standpoint, has benefited from the American way of life to the point of being able to afford to attend this expensive of a school, needs to think twice about condemning the nation totally by disrespecting the flag which is the symbol of the nation as a whole.

And Colin Kaepernick will make $11.9M this year as part of a 6-year, $114M contract.

I think it's abundantly clear the protest has nothing to do with how much money you and your family have.

[Kovo]

You want to protest, fine. Stand, but don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. Write a letter to the newspaper or the school paper. Appear at a forum discussion on the subject you're upset about. But remember, you have many benefits from living in the United States so don't disrespect the nation entirely by kneeling during the National Anthem.

Including the right to peaceful protest in the manner of your choosing that doesn't infringe upon the rights of others, so ...

By way of full disclosure, I grew up on Air Force bases throughout the United States and Europe while my father served a career in the USAF.  And (being old), I had the "privilege" of experiencing some of the Vietnam era "peaceful protests" first hand-- pardon me if I am a bit cynical.


So while I absolutely agree that one has the right to peaceful protest, it does not stop such conduct from being disrespectful.  I too, believe that there are more respectful and effective methods of bringing change.

[Titan Q]

So while I absolutely agree that one has the right to peaceful protest, it does not stop such conduct from being disrespectful.  I too, believe that there are more respectful and effective methods of bringing change.

I agree.

[Pat Coleman]

You want to protest, fine. Stand, but don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. Write a letter to the newspaper or the school paper. Appear at a forum discussion on the subject you're upset about. But remember, you have many benefits from living in the United States so don't disrespect the nation entirely by kneeling during the National Anthem.

Including the right to peaceful protest in the manner of your choosing that doesn't infringe upon the rights of others, so ...

By way of full disclosure, I grew up on Air Force bases throughout the United States and Europe while my father served a career in the USAF.  And (being old), I had the "privilege" of experiencing some of the Vietnam era "peaceful protests" first hand-- pardon me if I am a bit cynical.


So while I absolutely agree that one has the right to peaceful protest, it does not stop such conduct from being disrespectful.  I too, believe that there are more respectful and effective methods of bringing change.

I am sure many people share that opinion, but it doesn't infringe on his right to protest in this manner.

Not having been alive for the "peaceful protests" you put in quotation marks, I'm guessing they involve something more than silently kneeling during the national anthem, yes? Probably not a great comparison to draw.

[AndOne]

Furthermore, in pointing out the fact that IWU costs $52,316, what I am saying is that a kid who both individually and, I would think from a family standpoint, has benefited from the American way of life to the point of being able to afford to attend this expensive of a school, needs to think twice about condemning the nation totally by disrespecting the flag which is the symbol of the nation as a whole.

And Colin Kaepernick will make $11.9M this year as part of a 6-year, $114M contract.

I think it's abundantly clear the protest has nothing to do with how much money you and your family have.

All I am saying Bob, is that these kids have a lot to be thankful for by living in the US, and it would seem that one of those things would be being able to attend a college as good as and as expensive as IWU.

[Titan Q]

All I am saying Bob, is that these kids have a lot to be thankful for by living in the US, and it would seem that one of those things would be being able to attend a college as good as and as expensive as IWU.

I don't think you get it.